Wullie Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed. So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited? I'd rather we'd recruited a centre half and a right back before this month but we were too penny pinching. We could have the best manager in the world in place but he'd still have been having to manage with Williamson and Simpson all season. But we got beat today by a manager with players far worse than Simpson or Williamson. Which superstar did the Brighton manager have to call on? I won't mention his name because it obviously offends too many people here, but I doubt his chairman spends any more than ours. Yeah I think the issue stretches a bit further than today tbh. Pardew's clearly doing an appalling job because being in a relegation battle, no away wins etc etc is shameful but don't kid yourself that with the players we've had missing (and more importantly, the players who've been forced to step in), the magnificent Gus Poyet - 9th in the laughable Championship, 4 home wins out of 13 games, that's less than Pardew btw - would have us battling for the Champions League spots. He beat Pardew last season too, then finished 10th. Woo! Get him in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 What Pardew has basically been telling us since about the start of December is we're not going to have a chance of winning unless he has his first choice 11 out there. He kept alluding in his interviews to how we will be stronger after January etc. Scares the shit out of me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed. So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited? I'd rather we'd recruited a centre half and a right back before this month but we were too penny pinching. We could have the best manager in the world in place but he'd still have been having to manage with Williamson and Simpson all season. But we got beat today by a manager with players far worse than Simpson or Williamson. Which superstar did the Brighton manager have to call on? I won't mention his name because it obviously offends too many people here, but I doubt his chairman spends any more than ours. Yeah I think the issue stretches a bit further than today tbh. Pardew's clearly doing an appalling job because being in a relegation battle, no away wins etc etc is shameful but don't kid yourself that with the players we've had missing (and more importantly, the players who've been forced to step in), the magnificent Gus Poyet - 9th in the laughable Championship, 4 home wins out of 13 games, that's less than Pardew btw - would have us battling for the Champions League spots. Wow...so now you're defending Pardew's record against Poyet despite the fact he's shagged us twice despite being a division below us and outplaying us with lesser players and a lesser budget? Fine. I would suggest you recommend someone more to your liking. Go for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 They're both average managers - there you go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I couldn't give a toss about his record against Poyet. I'm more worried about his record against the other Premier League teams. What dd Poyet do when he came up against Kenny Dalglish in the next round last year? Oh yeah: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17001835 You're the one crowing for us to appoint a very average Championship manager. "He's better than Pardew" ffs. Wow! What credentials! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Love how Wullie is happy to slip away for one second from Pardew bashing when Poyet is brought into the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I couldn't give a toss about his record against Poyet. I'm more worried about his record against the other Premier League teams. What dd Poyet do when he came up against Kenny Dalglish in the next round last year? Oh yeah: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17001835 You're the one crowing for us to appoint a very average Championship manager. "He's better than Pardew" ffs. Wow! What credentials! hahahaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Love how Wullie is happy to slip away for one second from Pardew bashing when Poyet is brought into the discussion. Don't mention Solskjaer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Has this been posted? "From Grim's final season... Souness - P24 W7 D5 L12 PTS 26 Pardew - P21 W5 D5 L11 PTS 20" It's time for Paolo... http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/resources/images/1811832/?type=articleLandscape Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Having thought about it - I'm fucking furious about today. So needlessly bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Why's it time for that mad cunt like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Hopefully he'd twat Llambias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Yeah let's not go for an unstable fascist mentalist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Why's it time for that mad c*** like? That fascist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Why's it time for that mad c*** like? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Di_Canio#Manager It'd never work because of the people we're run by but I'd love to see him given a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Aye, I've heard about that Wikipedia website. I don't think he's any more qualified than a number of other candidates you could mention, he'd be a big risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Just as an aside - do people think Ashley and Llambias are on board with Pardew's successful mission to throw the game today, or was Pardew trying to hide it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He's doing a good job Di Canio despite being a mentalist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Just as an aside - do people think Ashley and Llambias are on board with Pardew's successful mission to throw the game today, or was Pardew trying to hide it? He'll be getting a magnum of champagne from them, I don't doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Yeah let's not go for an unstable fascist mentalist aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I think they also know it is very difficult to find a manager willing to work under them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I couldn't give a toss about his record against Poyet. I'm more worried about his record against the other Premier League teams. What dd Poyet do when he came up against Kenny Dalglish in the next round last year? Oh yeah: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17001835 You're the one crowing for us to appoint a very average Championship manager. "He's better than Pardew" ffs. Wow! What credentials! So who would you recommend? A straight answer would be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Isn't there a french manager somewhere out there who is or will be available, we seem to be going all french on players why not the next one be a frenchy? Tres bien. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Bet this cunt still wakes up with a hard on in the morning. Useless tosspot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chicken little Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He's doing a good job Di Canio despite being a mentalist. maybe i'm old-fashioned, but i'd stick with any pile of shite over getting a self-confessed fascist in, like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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