Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Newcastle United 0 - 1 West Ham United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Swansea City Southampton 2 - 0 Newcastle United Stoke City 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 3 - 0 Wigan Athletic Fulham 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 3 Manchester City Newcastle United 1 - 0 Queens Park Rangers Manchester United 4 - 3 Newcastle United Arsenal 7 - 3 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Everton Norwich City 0 - 0 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Reading That really shouldn't have happened Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Newcastle United 0 - 1 West Ham United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Swansea City Southampton 2 - 0 Newcastle United Stoke City 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 3 - 0 Wigan Athletic Fulham 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 3 Manchester City Newcastle United 1 - 0 Queens Park Rangers Manchester United 4 - 3 Newcastle United Arsenal 7 - 3 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Everton Norwich City 0 - 0 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Reading That really shouldn't have happened You're right, it shouldn't. It also happened to be the period where in every one of those games we were either without Colo, Steven Taylor, Ben Arfa or Yohan Cabaye. Most of them we were without three of the four. Our 1st choice centre halves and our 1st & 2nd choice midfielders. You apply those same injuries to any other side and see how they fare? Nobody is saying Pardew is blameless. Just that the majority of the faults lie with the men who decide what and when to buy. Which has been admitted by those men themselves (or their spokesman). The compromise is to say that Pardew's undoubted limitations were exacerbated by the failures of the owners, but to apportion the majority of the blame on Pardew is just plain mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Seriously though, if Pardew wins us the Europa League, his name will (rightly) go down in NUFC folklore. Will more than make up this season's failings... This season has more to do with those holding the purse strings than the man in the dugout imo They were to blame for the summer...they've opened the purse now, and its down to the manager & Co to produce results with the better players they have. If they don't.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It's the managers job to get whatever he has at his disposal functioning to together on the pitch and he failed dramatically during that period, and outside of the current top 5 and Liverpool I would say every chairmen or board in the league are worse or on par than "the men who decide what and when to buy" that we have, for differing reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I don't see why people have to hold such extreme stances here on either side. The board should have signed at least a couple of the players we did in January last summer, they fucked up there. In spite of this Pardew shouldn't have had the team he was given flirting with relegation for over half a season. Ultimately we would have benefited from a better board and/or a better manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I don't see why people have to hold such extreme stances here on either side. The board should have signed at least a couple of the players we did in January last summer, they f***ed up there. In spite of this Pardew shouldn't have had the team he was given flirting with relegation for over half a season. Ultimately we would have benefited from a better board and/or a better manager. So, work was quiet so I figured I'd see if my concerns about the weakened side were valid. I think it's fair to say that the following was our 1st choice team for the season we finished 5th With N.E.Other filling the final spot (there wasn't another who really made the 11th place their own). The formatting on boards isn't great, but the columns are fairly self explanatory; Name, Apps, Subs, Appearance as a percentage (subs being 1/2 an app) Krul 37+0 97% Simpson 35+0 92% Colo 34+0 89% Williamson 20+1 54% R.Taylor 23+7 60% HBA 15+10 52% Tiote 23+0 60% Cabaye 33+0 79% Jonas 36+0 95% Ba 31+2 83% and for this season going off Wiki and .com and given Santon hasn't missed a game I'm assuming these figures will tally, "assuming"... Krul 22+0 81% Simpson 15+1 57% Williamson 18 +0 67% Colo 19 + 0 70% Santon 27 100% Perch 17+5 72% Anita 16+5 69% Jonas 23 85% Ben Arfa 13 48% Ba 19+1 72% Cisse 24+1 90% You've got 6 players on the 2011/12 season with 80% or higher compared to 4 this term. The players last term? Krul, Simpson, Colo, Cabaye, Jonas and Ba. So that's our 1st choice 'keeper, our 1st choice CB and captain, our 1st choice Right Back who lead the league in goal line clearances, our 1st choice central midfielder who Pardew has described as our Quarterback stating faily plainly that the man is integral to the way we play, a grafting winger, and the clubs leading goal scorer. This term we've been missing our 1st choice CB and captain, our 1st choice central midfielder who Pardew has described as our Quarterback st... you see where I'm going? You swap Colo for Williamson, Cabaye for Perch and see how your team performs. It's a sign of how unsettled and disjointed the team has been that Ben Arfa has only made 13 appearances and he's one of the players that has taken to the Premier League fields the most. Long winded, but the underlying point is fairly simple; Last year we were so f***ing lucky with injuries it's startling, this season we've been utterly f***ed by them. Last summer the management had the opportunity to strengthen and they didn't, this season we've suffered for it. Last season Pardew was able to get away with being an average manager because of the ever present tools at his disposal, this time He's not had half as many tools and the ones he has got are rusted, s*** or not working properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Good post, that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It is when you get injuries and suspensions that you see how good a manager you have. Pardew was found wanting when it happened to us, so much so that he actually lost us points due to his incompetence..see Reading. I'd be looking to upgrade in the Summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It is when you get injuries and suspensions that you see how good a manager you have. Pardew was found wanting when it happened to us, so much so that he actually lost us points due to his incompetence..see Reading. I'd be looking to upgrade in the Summer. Why do people post this? Aside from it being blindingly obvious that it's what you'd 'want', it's near enough the least likely thing to ever happen. Just picture people posting it, then reclining and thinking to themselves, 'Yeah, I've made my point there. This is how shit's going down.'. All with a smug, self appreciating grin on their face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It is when you get injuries and suspensions that you see how good a manager you have. Pardew was found wanting when it happened to us, so much so that he actually lost us points due to his incompetence..see Reading. I'd be looking to upgrade in the Summer. Why do people post this? Aside from it being blindingly obvious that it's what you'd 'want', it's near enough the least likely thing to ever happen. Just picture people posting it, then reclining and thinking to themselves, 'Yeah, I've made my point there. This is how shit's going down.'. All with a smug, self appreciating grin on their face. You're letting this get to you far too much mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'll dig out 2 sets of starting 11s for every game this season and give you countless examples of where we should have got 1, 2, or 3 more points in each game if you like. This blaming last summer for everything is fucking bollocks. I was annoyed about it and it was a massive contributing factor but we've underachieved either way. Please do, might stop some of the revisionist bollocks we've been seeing recently. We've been awful this season and some fans have swallowed the injuries excuse completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It is when you get injuries and suspensions that you see how good a manager you have. Pardew was found wanting when it happened to us, so much so that he actually lost us points due to his incompetence..see Reading. I'd be looking to upgrade in the Summer. Why do people post this? Aside from it being blindingly obvious that it's what you'd 'want', it's near enough the least likely thing to ever happen. Just picture people posting it, then reclining and thinking to themselves, 'Yeah, I've made my point there. This is how shit's going down.'. All with a smug, self appreciating grin on their face. You're letting this get to you far too much mate! Honestly, it's not. I did get wound up yesterday, like. I just think, every time I see it (a lot), that it's so redundant it's funny. Always picture that scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'll dig out 2 sets of starting 11s for every game this season and give you countless examples of where we should have got 1, 2, or 3 more points in each game if you like. This blaming last summer for everything is fucking bollocks. I was annoyed about it and it was a massive contributing factor but we've underachieved either way. Please do, might stop some of the revisionist bollocks we've been seeing recently. We've been awful this season and some fans have swallowed the injuries excuse completely. I don't think anyone would argue that we haven't underachieved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It seems to me, that he is the manager's equivalent of a flat track bully. A bit of adversity and he shits himself, as seen by his cowardly and mindblowingly incompetent second half tactics and substitutions.....again see Reading. And others too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'll dig out 2 sets of starting 11s for every game this season and give you countless examples of where we should have got 1, 2, or 3 more points in each game if you like. This blaming last summer for everything is fucking bollocks. I was annoyed about it and it was a massive contributing factor but we've underachieved either way. Please do, might stop some of the revisionist bollocks we've been seeing recently. We've been awful this season and some fans have swallowed the injuries excuse completely. I don't think anyone would argue that we haven't underachieved. Sweet Fwiw I want him gone ideally (is that ok Inochi?) but if the board are going to back him I'm happy enough for him to get another chance next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 That first team finished 5th, the 2nd team was 16th on 21 points until we bought 2 new shiny players. But the argument is flawed anyway, for a start Anita's percentage is 69% despite him never being injured, his percentage is low because the manager (wrongly imo) has just chose not to play the lad, the same for Marveaux who could easily have amassed far more appearances than he has, not to mention that substitution appearances or times where they have just sat on the bench haven't been taken into account for either table for any player, which again is down to the manager not picking said players. Also 80% or higher is a bit convenient (and wrong, the top team actually has 5 players 80% or higher), if we went 70% or higher (you can include Cabaye in this one) the 2nd team wins with 7 players to 6... Using your method at 70% the contrasting core players look like this. Krul, Simpson, Coloccini, Cabaye, Jonas, Ba Krul, Colo, Santon, Perch, Jonas, Ba, Cisse Basically it's all a bit pointless. Like I said why does this argument have to be so extreme? Taking our injuries into account if we were in the top 10 before the Villa game and were currently sitting on ~40 points I would have no complaints, we would be about where we belong, had we remained injury free I would expect us to be challenging for the top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 he definetely good motivator... but his tactical play is always questionable... we are too cautious team not a ruthless team which we capable of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'll dig out 2 sets of starting 11s for every game this season and give you countless examples of where we should have got 1, 2, or 3 more points in each game if you like. This blaming last summer for everything is fucking bollocks. I was annoyed about it and it was a massive contributing factor but we've underachieved either way. Please do, might stop some of the revisionist bollocks we've been seeing recently. We've been awful this season and some fans have swallowed the injuries excuse completely. I don't think anyone would argue that we haven't underachieved. Sweet Fwiw I want him gone ideally (is that ok Inochi?) but if the board are going to back him I'm happy enough for him to get another chance next season. This. I'm happy enough with him here (I mean it could be a fucking lot worse), by picking out his faults I'm not suggesting he's completely fucking inept or anything, I'm just saying "he did shit there" when he indeed did do shit there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Didn't Llambiarse say everyone is allowed one bad season? I guess this is Pardew's (unless we win the Euro cup). I guess then that next season will determine if they stick or twist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It is when you get injuries and suspensions that you see how good a manager you have. Pardew was found wanting when it happened to us, so much so that he actually lost us points due to his incompetence..see Reading. I'd be looking to upgrade in the Summer. Why do people post this? Aside from it being blindingly obvious that it's what you'd 'want', it's near enough the least likely thing to ever happen. Just picture people posting it, then reclining and thinking to themselves, 'Yeah, I've made my point there. This is how shit's going down.'. All with a smug, self appreciating grin on their face. nailonhead.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I see Tweedledee has arose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Why do people still want him gone? ok at the time of Reading it sort of made sense but since then its been great, he deserves a chance to prove himself with the players at his disposal. Not sure if anyone's noticed but we have lost just once in 6 games since the signings were made, and honestly that game was to probably the most in form team in the country at the moment where we had one of our best players injured half way through. ( Gouffran) A misunderstanding between Colo and Taylor leading to their 2nd goal. We could have easily got a result that day if things went differently and if we did we would be laughing, there was a period where i wanted him gone because i didn't think he could turn it around but the new signings has gave anyone renewed optimism and that includes the manager. Also before Stu mentions it and i know he will, yes the return of Cabaye, Saylor and Tiote too ! On top of all this i don't know about the rest of you, but the style of football has been alright too IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It is when you get injuries and suspensions that you see how good a manager you have. Pardew was found wanting when it happened to us, so much so that he actually lost us points due to his incompetence..see Reading. I'd be looking to upgrade in the Summer. Why do people post this? Aside from it being blindingly obvious that it's what you'd 'want', it's near enough the least likely thing to ever happen. Just picture people posting it, then reclining and thinking to themselves, 'Yeah, I've made my point there. This is how shit's going down.'. All with a smug, self appreciating grin on their face. nailonhead.gif Absolutely. It's a pointless debate we're having here as there is virtually no chance Pardew will be leaving in the short-term (I'd say October/November this year would be the earliest his position will come under scrutiny and that would only be after a calamitous set of results). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 With the help of these signings, he looks as if he's about to turn what looked a doomed situation around. Coupled with the changes he's made to our formation and the decreasing amount of long-balls, I think he's now deserved the chance to prove himself again. We saw last season that his approach can get us results. The reason we won so many games by the odd goal etc. was partly because of his negative/defensive/backs-to-the-wall set up. It may not be pretty, we may not ever like it and I for one do not think it's a good way to approach the game. But if it can get us results again, with a bit more quality in the team, I'm willing to see him have a crack next season. Another period like the one we experienced between November and the Reading game and that's it. Especially with the backing he's got now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Newcastle United 0 - 1 West Ham United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Swansea City Southampton 2 - 0 Newcastle United Stoke City 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 3 - 0 Wigan Athletic Fulham 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 3 Manchester City Newcastle United 1 - 0 Queens Park Rangers Manchester United 4 - 3 Newcastle United Arsenal 7 - 3 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Everton Norwich City 0 - 0 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Reading That really shouldn't have happened It's interesting the fine margins we're talking about here between Pardew being considered successful (or not). Forgetting about injuries etc. I'd say we only had four very bad games in that run (West Ham, Southampton, Fulham and Reading). Swansea I didn't think we were great but I thought we were unlucky to be hit on the break for the second goal when we were really pressing them for an equaliser, Stoke we were OK and got caught by two late goals, City always going to be tough, Man U we played some great stuff but then got beat in the last minute, Arsenal we again played some great stuff for 70 minutes and then unfortunately fell apart (can be partly attributed to Arsenal not playing on Boxing Day I think) and then Everton not amazing but beaten by 1 goal by a top 7 team. Am I happy with what happened during that run? No. But I do think that Pardew probably wasn't far off picking up a few more points during that run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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