Dave Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think he was on about the 'he put us in' part, not the fact of the slump. Who put us in it then? Obviously Pardew takes his share of the blame along with the ownership, players and injuries/circumstances. Logically then Pardew only takes his share of the praise for turning it around along with the ownership, new players and lessening injuries etc. We were mostly shit this season, then we got some new players and some injuries cleared up and we haven't been as shit since. I'm not particularly on either 'side' here because I'm perfectly prepared to see what happens next season and think some go too far, but it's not hard to see why people are continually cynical about Pardew's management ability. If things had turned around without an influx of new players, there wouldn't be half as much cynicism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think he was on about the 'he put us in' part, not the fact of the slump. Who put us in it then? Obviously Pardew takes his share of the blame along with the ownership, players and injuries/circumstances. Logically then Pardew only takes his share of the praise for turning it around along with the ownership, new players and lessening injuries etc. We were mostly shit this season, then we got some new players and some injuries cleared up and we haven't been as shit since. I'm not particularly on either 'side' here because I'm perfectly prepared to see what happens next season and think some go too far, but it's not hard to see why people are continually cynical about Pardew's management ability. If things had turned around without an influx of new players, there wouldn't be half as much cynicism. That is absolutely 100% spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loven Mag 11 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Now came from behind against Chelsea, Soton and Stoke. Atleast we have some fight again. Does Alan get praise for this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think he was on about the 'he put us in' part, not the fact of the slump. Who put us in it then? Obviously Pardew takes his share of the blame along with the ownership, players and injuries/circumstances. Logically then Pardew only takes his share of the praise for turning it around along with the ownership, new players and lessening injuries etc. We were mostly shit this season, then we got some new players and some injuries cleared up and we haven't been as shit since. I'm not particularly on either 'side' here because I'm perfectly prepared to see what happens next season and think some go too far, but it's not hard to see why people are continually cynical about Pardew's management ability. If things had turned around without an influx of new players, there wouldn't be half as much cynicism. Basically. He just appears to be phenomenonally mediocre based on the style he has produced consistently snce being here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Now came from behind against Chelsea, Soton and Stoke. Atleast we have some fight again. Does Alan get praise for this? Yes, but Southampton and Stoke are teams we should beat, even though we go one down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 We still play just as many long balls as we have done all season IMO, it isn't as irritating when Cabaye does it because he's a lot more accurate than Williamson but ultimately it isn't a great deal more effective. Whenever he gets it, first thought is always to try and clip it in behind for Cisse or Gouffran to run onto. It's incredibly predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Now came from behind against Chelsea, Soton and Stoke. Atleast we have some fight again. Does Alan get praise for this? Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think he was on about the 'he put us in' part, not the fact of the slump. Who put us in it then? Obviously Pardew takes his share of the blame along with the ownership, players and injuries/circumstances. Logically then Pardew only takes his share of the praise for turning it around along with the ownership, new players and lessening injuries etc. We were mostly shit this season, then we got some new players and some injuries cleared up and we haven't been as shit since. I'm not particularly on either 'side' here because I'm perfectly prepared to see what happens next season and think some go too far, but it's not hard to see why people are continually cynical about Pardew's management ability. If things had turned around without an influx of new players, there wouldn't be half as much cynicism. That is absolutely 100% spot on. Sure, I agree with all of that as well. I don't think Pardew is an amaing manager by any means. But I also value stability and the players seem to be behind him, so my preference is to stick with him for next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think he was on about the 'he put us in' part, not the fact of the slump. Who put us in it then? Obviously Pardew takes his share of the blame along with the ownership, players and injuries/circumstances. Logically then Pardew only takes his share of the praise for turning it around along with the ownership, new players and lessening injuries etc. We were mostly shit this season, then we got some new players and some injuries cleared up and we haven't been as shit since. I'm not particularly on either 'side' here because I'm perfectly prepared to see what happens next season and think some go too far, but it's not hard to see why people are continually cynical about Pardew's management ability. If things had turned around without an influx of new players, there wouldn't be half as much cynicism. Basically. He just appears to be phenomenonally mediocre based on the style he has produced consistently snce being here. The key point is that he is a defensive coach and will never morph into a attacking/creative one. Then again a lot of coaches are defensive. You can see that he didn't start Marv today our most creative option (I rate him higher than Cabaye for killer passes). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 We still play just as many long balls as we have done all season IMO, it isn't as irritating when Cabaye does it because he's a lot more accurate than Williamson but ultimately it isn't a great deal more effective. Whenever he gets it, first thought is always to try and clip it in behind for Cisse or Gouffran to run onto. It's incredibly predictable. It frustrates me that there is very rarely an option for a cutback (Sissoko has started pulling up short coming into the box and scored from it). Today the pitiful floating the ball into the arms of their keeper (13times) was really depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Perhaps the opposition were just very good at stifling us today? We have good footballers, yes, but it's not that simple, as different players suit different scenarios and styles. I'm not convinced Sissoko suits the AM role in matches like that for example, I think he's an excellent player, but his talents don't always lend themselves to such tight scenarios. I think he'd have had more joy running from deep with more options ahead of him. My only criticism of Pardew today was keeping Gutierrez on over Gouffran, in fact starting Gutierrez at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Perhaps the opposition were just very good at stifling us today? We have good footballers, yes, but it's not that simple, as different players suit different scenarios and styles. I'm not convinced Sissoko suits the AM role in matches like that for example, I think he's an excellent player, but his talents don't always lend themselves to such tight scenarios. I think he'd have had more joy running from deep with more options ahead of him. My only criticism of Pardew today was keeping Gutierrez on over Gouffran. I'd play Sissoko where Tiote plays and Marv where SS plays. My theory is that pards like SS where he is as he runs around putting pressure on the ball in their half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Perhaps the opposition were just very good at stifling us today? We have good footballers, yes, but it's not that simple, as different players suit different scenarios and styles. I'm not convinced Sissoko suits the AM role in matches like that for example, I think he's an excellent player, but his talents don't always lend themselves to such tight scenarios. I think he'd have had more joy running from deep with more options ahead of him. My only criticism of Pardew today was keeping Gutierrez on over Gouffran. I'd play Sissoko where Tiote plays and Marv where SS plays. Quite agree. We have options in midfield, it should be horses for courses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'd like to see Anita back in the team, in the role of picking the ball up off the defence so Cabaye can receive it 10 yards further forwards, with him and Sissoko equivalents. So: Anita Cabaye Sissoko Ben Arfa Cisse Gouffran I don't really like this 4-2-3-1 business. Cabaye is too deep and Cisse is much too isolated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 he doesn't like us taking chances in defence, hence often when we get pressurized the team tend to pass back to keeper and hoof. But I really think he deserves credit for putting in Marveaux after we equalized, wich is unusual from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 he doesn't like us taking chances in defence, hence often when we get pressurized the team tend to pass back to keeper and hoof. But I really think he deserves credit for putting in Marveaux after we equalized, wich is unusual from him. All 3 of his substitutions were great today, so relieved to see Campbell come on instead of Obertan and he played his part in the goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 The monumental cracks continue to be papered over. We can't even look like a decent team against Stoke, but I see that's good enough based on what I've been reading from the usual mob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Winning is good enough for now, no matter how badly we play. For that, monumental hats off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Winning is good enough for now, no matter how badly we play. For that, monumental hats off. It's not. We have the players to actually play well and win convincingly but alas... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'm fucking sick of watching us try to attack teams and have pretty much nothing to offer other than individual player traits. We do nothing as a team going forward. It just goes wide and then if we can swing it in, we do. Against Stoke man. Honestly? That's the best we can do? Why aren't we working it into better positions from out wide and making them worry about movement and passing? Something that we've got the players to do. The only other bit of impetus we had today was Sissoko running from deep, that's just what he does and he'd do it for any team in any game against any opposition. We just did enough to win today,just. Yes the substitute made the winner but fucking hell man he should have been on the pitch for much longer. What is this thing with Jonas playing 90 minutes? And Tiote getting a game over Anita in the league every week regardless of opposition. Pardew is far, far too concerned with stopping the opposition and I'm pig sick of watching it. I posted the above in the match thread. There's something else I want to say in here though. We tend to judge Pardew game to game, 'he did ok today, poor performance today' etc. I think the bigger picture is more telling to be honest. The football is poor, unimaginative and workman like, overall it was the same last season, many voiced their concerns, and with this team it's not good enough. You can only get so far on relying on your players individual ability and not appearing to attempt any sort of attacking, cohesive game plan to win a game. It's probably about 10th with this group of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Winning is good enough for now, no matter how badly we play. For that, monumental hats off. For the remainder of this dogshit season and the cup competition we're still in, I agree. I want to see some genuine progress on the footballing side next year though, and that doesn't necessarily mean a particularly high finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Now i do like to slate Pardew but for some reason today i find myself unable to. Sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition, Stoke stopped us playing, combined with us not playing well but we won, we found a way and that's promising because we would have lost this game earlier in the season. Still no fan of Pardew's but benefit of the doubt as his subs this time won us the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 The monumental cracks continue to be papered over. We can't even look like a decent team against Stoke, but I see that's good enough based on what I've been reading from the usual mob. They've lost their last 5 games by a one goal margin. It was never going to be an easy afternoon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think creatively we are too dependant on Ben Arfa, which is what irks me greatly about Pardew. Seems unable to make the team play attractive football and our only creativity comes from individual brilliances (like Marvs pass today). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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