Lotus Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Tbh He picked the team i would have picked yesterday but for the large part of the first half we were bloody awful. My biggest issue is what they are working on in training because it seems alot of players are making the same mistakes. For example: Does he work on set pieces enough? Does he tell Tiote to stop diving in to tackles? Does he understand how to get the best out of Cisse? I.e getting him between the centre halfs. Is he working on Santons final product? All real issues that he hasn't resolved this season. How many players do you think have actually improved under Pardew? The first one that springs to mind is Perch. After that i'm a little stumped tbh. Both Taylors, Coloccini last season, Krul. The rest of the team is pretty much Pardew's team anyway. Colo was as good as he was in the Championship, he did not add to his 'skill set' since Hughton left. Saylor is playing to the standard he showed a few years ago when we all thought he'd be an England regular. Don't think Pardew coaches Krul tbh, think that will be the goalkeeping coach, like at every other club. You're narrowing his options tbf like Krul, Colo, Best, Perch, Raylor and Saylor have all played their best football under Pardew. If you want to attribute that to others then there is no point in asking the question in he first place. Tbh, i don't think he ash any input with Krul, as i said before. Saylor is looking back to his best which was looooong time before Pardew turned up. Colo was just as good under Hughton in the Championship and has been, apart from a bad 1st year with us, a fantastic CB for the whole of his career. Perch i agreed with. Best, maybe, Raylor, you could be right there. But, Tiote? Cisse? Is Cabaye a better player than the one we bought? Has Santon improved through this season? Is Willo and Simmo any better? Jonas? Is HBA a better attacker than he was at Lyon? (He 's defo better at helping the team get the ball back - credit to AP for that), is Obertan any better for being coached by AP? Does Marveaux looked to have improved? I'm sure i'm boring us both with this list ! My point is simply, i don't think he's much of a coach or a good judge of a coach (in the way Ferguson has hired progressive coaches through the years). The players clearly like AP which is great but former players have said that his key problem was that he always got too buddy buddy with his players and perhaps lost his objective view on things. I think it's great the players like him, but if it's at the expense of team success (yet to be proved either way) then AP's employers need to reassess. FWIW, i think the Fat Mash will not indulge AP any further if next season is at best average, he'll want a top 6 challenging side because that's what he's paid for. We all (as fans) want the same thing and people form or change their opinions based on how they interpret what they see/evidence. Some make their minds up sooner, some later. We are all free to change our mind too if things don't go as expected. For me, i don't really rate him and even last season, after wins against Manu and Chelsea, i said i thought we had very lucky periods in both games and although the scoreline was often very good, i didn't think the performances could be maintained because too much luck (imo) was involved. For all that's gone against AP this season, what he couldn't control, he hasn't done well enough (imo) with what he could control. He's never showed himself a good coach/manager in the past, and average one, and he still looks like that to me. But, we can all disagree about it and make valid points on each side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Tl;dr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Tl;dr Tbh, i agree ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Again. What has performance and person anything to do with each other? You can be just a lovely person, but if you are not good enough then you are just not good enough. pardew has his good sides, team management especially. But I dont think we will play any better than we do now. It´s basically up to what quality we will get on to the pitch. They haven't. That's the point... Stop fucking ranting all the time man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Fuck quoting it but Lotus is right. Pards has clearly improved, or not ruined, some of the defensive players but you'll not find a creative or attacking player he has obviously improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I'd get rid even if we won the Europa League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Luckily your credibility is close to zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Luckily your credibility is close to zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Luckily your credibility is close to zero. Could say something similar about everyone on here tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I like it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Class. Can imagine they have similar writing styles too. Shola powered in the 95th minute winner, needless to say I had the last laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Can't say on Cabaye because I never saw him in France but he's one of our best players. Ben Arfa and Marveaux have hardly played, Cisse was brilliant when he arrived, struggled at the start of this season but is 1 in 2 now, Obertan is just brainless and Jonas has probably played his best football under Pardew. Best clearly got much better btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Can't say on Cabaye because I never saw him in France but he's one of our best players. Ben Arfa and Marveaux have hardly played, Cisse was brilliant when he arrived, struggled at the start of this season but is 1 in 2 now, Obertan is just brainless and Jonas has probably played his best football under Pardew. Best clearly got much better btw. Jonas has played his best football under Pardew? Really? For me the relegation season was clearly his best season for us. His debut was amazing like. And I only caught 45minutes of that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I thought last season whe he played more central was the best I have seen him. He's never had any end product but his workrate last season made him one of our most important players. Unfortunately his legs seem to have fallen off. As for the Championship, you can only play what is in front of you but I find it hard to seriously judge a player in a league where Shola scored around a goal a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I thought last season whe he played more central was the best I have seen him. He's never had any end product but his workrate last season made him one of our most important players. Unfortunately his legs seem to have fallen off. As for the Championship, you can only play what is in front of you but I find it hard to seriously judge a player in a league where Shola scored around a goal a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 GET A SHAVE! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I like it. He looks suave like the Baldessarani cologne model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Muff tickler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 He doesn't look as smooth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Seriously bored of the way we play, i have seen worst in my years but with good technical players we are frustrating to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 What will piss me off today, regardless of the result, is if he comes out with his usual defending the referee speel. He needs to make a point about the Haidara incident and explain how fucking disgraceful it is, fine or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 No attacking plan as usual. Please leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 No movement, no tempo, no creativity, no plan. Same shit different day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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