Guest TheGreatBeardo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm new here, but isn't it traditional to wait untill we actually lose before before these arguments begin again? We lost 2 days ago. We lost 2 days ago against a very good side, away from home, largely due to individual errors, in the first leg of the QF of a major european competition, whilst creating some very good chances which we were unfortunate not to convert, without a number of important players. I don't see how it's relevant to the "this team should be challenging for 4th and it's all Pardew's fault we're not" argument. I was just pointing out the error of your post, sorry. Anyway you seem to be suggesting that we only have this discussion directly after we have played horribly and lost? That seems very fickle and reactionary to me. That's true, the argument is usually equally as healthy on the same subject after a win Fair enough. Like I said, I'm new here. Though I am an accomplished lurker, I never really followed the threads the same way I do now I have started posting. I guess my impression of the cycle of this thread might have been wrong, going by the replies all kind of seeming to agree that it was a daft thing to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Only have to look how S'hampton whose team is inferior to ours in every way break when they get the ball. 5-6 players get ahead of the ball. We rarely attack with more than 2-3 players. FYP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Can't believe this plonker has us in a relegation scrap. Unreal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 we've got no creative players aside from two injury prone Frenchman, our squad depth is horrible etc. etc. We've got Marveaux, who hardly ever plays - see above. Not sure if you were serious but I meant Marveaux and HBA. Sissoko to me is a Yaya lite and would only create via force of running etc. Oh OK, thought you meant HBA and Cabaye. Marveaux's barely been unavailable for selection this season, not sure you can call him injury-prone in the context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Top post lovejoy Especially the bit about Southampton realising that they have outgrown their man and moving on. With Pardew the squad won't evolve to what it's capable of imo, that's the only reason I want him gone (outside of this horrific season anyway), even if he does well next season, which I think he will, we'll never be what we could be and it will always make me sad. In short I can tolerate Pardew but I don't want him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Have to say watching Southampton transform so effortlessly with a new manager is very galling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Top post lovejoy Especially the bit about Southampton realising that they have outgrown their man and moving on. With Pardew the squad won't evolve to what it's capable of imo, that's the only reason I want him gone (outside of this horrific season anyway), even if he does well next season, which I think he will, we'll never be what we could be and it will always make me sad. In short I can tolerate Pardew but I don't want him. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Its time to start shampooing the sheep and preparing them to be shaved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Have to say watching Southampton transform so effortlessly with a new manager is very galling Its haunting me! the fella cant even speak English and they're flying under him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Is there a 'who would you replace Pardew with type thread btw? I'd love to read peoples suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Have to say watching Southampton transform so effortlessly with a new manager is very galling Dunno about transform like, they weren't in the bottom three when they binned Adkins and gave us a real footballing lesson in November (after which we should have made the big decision). They had the most ridiculous opening run of fixtures but since then they've been pretty consistently good. Their defence is shit and has been all season but they've worked themselves up to a point where they keep the ball so well that they have less pressure on it. We consistently invite pressure instead. 'Attack is the best form of defence' is a cliche but that doesn't make it wrong. Lovejoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What Gimp said. Just kidding, what the fuck's he on about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What Gimp said. Just kidding, what the f***'s he on about? Its time to prepare Pardew for the high jump/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 It´s weird. I was passionate about getting Souness, Roeder, Allardyce and Kinnear out of this club long before their last match in charge. Although Pardew has had a pretty poor season, and I have been frustrated with him on a lot of issues, I am still willing to let him have a go next season as well. Can´t explain why, it´s just my feel, which obviously isn´t many others feel. You know that feel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Have to say watching Southampton transform so effortlessly with a new manager is very galling More galling is that he doesn't speak any english and has no clue about the PL. What he does seem to have is tactical understanding of the game of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 How good are the players then Disco? Worse than Southampton? Villa? Norwich? Stoke? Presumably you think we need to jettison Graham Carr too as he's the one primarily responsible for bringing them in? And there we go again. Forget it then. You've become worse than Stu for not offering an opinion but being happy to pour scorn on that of others. Absolute drivel. My opinons are absolutely all over the shop as you well know. Where did I mention we should get rid of Carr again...remind me please. You said that the players aren't as good as everyone thinks (I.e. good enough not to be battling relegation). If that was my opinion I'd definitely want shot of the bloke who has chosen them after we've spent a decent amount of money. Playing at full pelt they are no-one is this season, more or less everyone bar Krul is playing beneath themselves and people are forgetting that Debuchy, Sissoko, MYM et al aren't going to be pulling up trees straight away as foreign players that aren't world class generally don't and even some of the those world class ones struggle at first (Bergkamp & Henry for e.g.) Everyone goes on about us having the best squad in years, they're basing that on players playing at their peak every game rather than their average which is generally a truer indicator of how they're liable to perform week in, week out. Tiote has been appalling for the most part this season, Santon has cost us goal after goal after goal, Coloccini has been a shell of the player we saw last year, Cisse has been poor in large spells (yet he can't be dropped because there is no-one else), we've got no creative players aside from two injury prone Frenchman, our squad depth is horrible etc. etc. Its a top 7 first team easily This is what I mean, it isn't at all IMO. FWIW I had us down for 8th start of the season. I honestly think that if the majority of players are playing beneath themselves then the coaching team are to blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Have to say watching Southampton transform so effortlessly with a new manager is very galling More galling is that he doesn't speak any english and has no clue about the PL. What he does seem to have is tactical understanding of the game of football. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What Gimp said. Just kidding, what the fuck's he on about? I was thinking the exact same I still am even after seeing his reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Have to say watching Southampton transform so effortlessly with a new manager is very galling Dunno about transform like, they weren't in the bottom three when they binned Adkins and gave us a real footballing lesson in November (after which we should have made the big decision). They had the most ridiculous opening run of fixtures but since then they've been pretty consistently good. Lovejoy Completely agree, Southampton have played great stuff all season the key differences i have noticed are as follows. 1. Press much better as a team 2. More organised defensively 3. Don't choke away loads of chances every game Seriously i have seen Southampton a lot this season and the amount of chances they were creating under Atkins and throwing away followed by stupid defending led to poor results by comparison. Obviously results have improved but i don't believe performances have been totally transformed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The justification for keeping him next season appears to have shifted from a genuine belief he could make a decent fist of it and take us forward to comments such as we might as well / he's not going anywhere so there's no point in talking about it / we couldn't or wouldn't get anyone better than him / we owe him something because we finished 5th last year, etc. You waste enough of your fucking time supporting this club - watching teams without a clue playing shite football and getting awful results - and I'd rather not waste any more time next season for the wooly reasoning above when the opportunity to push on is so clearly there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Have to say watching Southampton transform so effortlessly with a new manager is very galling Dunno about transform like, they weren't in the bottom three when they binned Adkins and gave us a real footballing lesson in November (after which we should have made the big decision). They had the most ridiculous opening run of fixtures but since then they've been pretty consistently good. Lovejoy Completely agree, Southampton have played great stuff all season the key differences i have noticed are as follows. 1. Press much better as a team 2. More organised defensively 3. Don't choke away loads of chances every game Seriously i have seen Southampton a lot this season and the amount of chances they were creating under Atkins and throwing away followed by stupid defending led to poor results by comparison. Obviously results have improved but i don't believe performances have been totally transformed. Have to disagree, the way they break NOW is scary. Teams shit it when 5-6 shift up the park as soon as they get posession. Also today Lambert played like a Michu clone. Early signs are that Pochettino is pretty slick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I wouldn't say its a top 7 team easily but its definitely capable of challenging to be in and around Everton and Liverpool. Especially now with all these signings in January, at the end of the day though we should be nowhere near 15th so its really irrelevant. Pretty much this. I said top 4 and I would at least expect us to put up a decent fight every year but ultimately it's a battle of the teams just outside of that bracket. If we're amongst that I'm happy, if we can do one better and break into the top 4 (which is entirely possible) I'd be f***ing delighted, obviously. Yep quite frankly the difference between 4th and 7th is very small, as long as you have challenged for those spots you have done your job. Obviously 7th being the minimum and 4th being the Maximum in that bracket. Disco brings up a good point about creativity though, i know everyone talks about strikers and centre backs and rightly so but i think we are really lacking a proper attacking midfielder with creativity and guile. You honestly don't think Cabaye can do that? I think he could, if Pardew wasn't so committed to having his best players stood on the edge of their own box all the time. I'd argue even Anita (whilst admittedly looking lightweight) can do it, he's certainly got an eye for a forward pass. He's another one thats sat on the bench while Pardew's sending on Tiote telling him to stop dropping the ball off to other players and run at teams like Essien Not to mention that fact the Marveaux's been overlooked all season as Interpolic's been saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Is there a 'who would you replace Pardew with type thread btw? I'd love to read peoples suggestions. anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Is there a 'who would you replace Pardew with type thread btw? I'd love to read peoples suggestions. anyone? I'd have bitten your hand off for Adkins; as he looked like a young developing manager with the right ideals but that train sailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Not even looking forward to games now knowing this clown is in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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