Hanshithispantz Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 As we've written on these pages too often over the years, we're on the final lap and in some distress, staggering towards the finishing line. This season is proving to be no exception. ... is food for thought. I'm guessing you mean this in a "This is just us, it'll be the same if we get rid of Pards" kind of way? The shape of the club is one of the best it's ever been in, the owner in spite of being an apparently sadistic bellend has actually done wonders with us, a very good manager is the final piece of the puzzle that we need imo (maybe a new coaching staff too). In the past when we've limped over the line the whole club has been surrounded with turmoil, there's none of that now, everything is strangely calm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 .......Hans, I sincerely hope so, I am not that optimistic to be honest. I sincerely hope you are fucking correct..........just I don't think we could really get a better manager this summer, given Ashley's reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Was reading the .com match report for the 2-0 over Liverpool last year and found this gem: "If someone said, ’You are going to be in the Europa League’, I would snap their hands off. We've been 10 points ahead of the group below us all season and we need to see it home, we want to take this club into Europe - the fans deserve it. It will be a disappointment if we don't get there now. How quickly things changed the minute we were actually in Europe. Happens to almost every club in our position. What does? EDIT: someone fix that quote will you? Fucking phone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Was reading the .com match report for the 2-0 over Liverpool last year and found this gem: "If someone said, ’You are going to be in the Europa League’, I would snap their hands off. We've been 10 points ahead of the group below us all season and we need to see it home, we want to take this club into Europe - the fans deserve it. It will be a disappointment if we don't get there now. How quickly things changed the minute we were actually in Europe. Happens to almost every club in our position. What does? EDIT: someone fix that quote will you? Fucking phone. Getting into Europe then complaining about the stresses it puts on the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 ok own up, who wrote this for espn? clearly a member of this forum. In my opinion the problems began in the Boardroom when they failed to strengthen on a squad that everyone knew was weak. The club's 'purples' signing policy left Alan Pardew short on quality. The signing of Vurnon Anita was also a strange one -- quality footballers are always welcome additions, but anyone could see that other positions needed to be strengthened before another midfielder came in. It is widely assumed that Pardew has little say in who comes in with Chief Scout Graham Carr identifying signings. Anita may well have been a signing that Pardew did not want when you consider how little he has used him throughout the season. The board finally strengthened the squad in the January transfer window but by that point the league season was a battle for survival rather than something to build on after last year. Pardew's 'Manager of the Year' titles seem to have changed how the manager thinks and operates. Time and time again this season Pardew has tried to make himself look clever -- the season has been littered with bizarre team line-ups, mental tactical reshuffles at strange times in matches and players playing out of position. The most criminal of these is Pardew's use of Moussa Sissoko. Sissoko arrived in January and made an instant impact with a superb through ball for a Papiss Cisse goal at Aston Villa followed by an all-time great individual performance at St James' Park in the 3-2 win over Chelsea. Since then Pardew has opted to use the dominant French International midfielder as a Number 10 (someone to aim long balls at in Pardew's setup) or as a wide man. Unbelievable. Even French manager Didier Deschamps felt the need to scorn this. It's not just Moussa though -- Cisse played the opening months of the season as a wide man, Jonas Gutierrez has played all the way across midfield as well as at fullback, Cheick Tiote has played some games in a more advanced position than Yohan Cabaye which is totally baffling. Even if Pardew sees Cabaye as a 'Quarterback' with the ability to spray passes around, his tactics often totally miss out the midfield making this role redundant. There also look to be some other coaching deficiencies. We all now know that Newcastle haven't score a goal from a corner in 18 months and over 200 games. We all know that the next time Newcastle get a free kick anywhere between 35 and 70 yards from goal they will aim to Mike Williamson or Steven Taylor at the back post to no avail. Why? Do they not practice these things? Why so predictable and so unsuccessful? It's not good enough. Newcastle supporters have spent most of the season watching ugly football. Their 'long ball' count has consistently exceeded all other Premier League teams. Players like Cabaye, Sissoko and Hatem Ben Arfa cannot enjoy playing in such an ugly, underperforming side. Then again, the players have to take their share of responsibility too. Perhaps some Newcastle supporters overrate their players? The majority of Newcastle supporters rated Tiote as a £20million footballer only 18 months ago -- don't deny it! I was one. Did we overrate Tiote or is this another sign of coaching deficiency? How can a player who was so dominating and vital become such a liability? I can't speak for supporters of other clubs but at Newcastle there is a culture of footballers being regarded as either 'world class' or 'absolutely shocking' when in reality the majority of them are neither. Pardew has bemoaned bad luck or, to quote a Pardewism, "we just didn't have the rub of the green" a few times this season. Newcastle have also enjoyed a fair amount of good luck -- look at Demba Ba's unspotted handball goal at Reading or the late, deflected winner against West Brom. Tiredness has also been a regular excuse for the manager. While I am sure it has played it's part off the back of a Europa League campaign, Newcastle only played in two domestic cup games. Compare that to Chelsea -- Cabaye and Sissoko were said to be tired in the 3-0 capitulation to Sunderland but Chelsea's Juan Mata and Eden Hazard have played 114 games between them this season -- a lot more than our French duo, and they still look in great shape. Chelsea obviously have a superior player conditioning programme. Injuries have severely plagued Newcastle all season and far too many of them have been muscular. The spirit of the players is a strange one. How can you explain so many late, late winners while also considering the absolutely pitiful displays at Southampton, Manchester City, the second half at West Brom on Saturday or the capitulation to one of the poorest Sunderland sides in years? Some of this is down to a lack of leadership on the pitch. The appointment of Fabricio Coloccini as Captain was a strange one -- Everton demonstrated how players can influence the officials when they won at St James' Park in January with Leighton Baines and company constantly in the referee's ear – Coloccini, on the other hand, is far from fluent in English. This has to have an effect. Quite what Pardew has said in the dressing room at times is also a concern -- his 15 minutes with the players at halftime can completely ruin performances. This has been a long, unpleasant season. Newcastle will survive but a lot of things have to be addressed in the summer on and off the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 'Then again, the players have to take their share of responsibility too.' Na cant be anyone on here Fwiw i pretty much agree with everything in that though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Leighton Baines in the referee's ear ffs. How does such rubbish get published? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Who complained about Coloccini being captain when things were going well last season? I can't remember (m)any who thought it was an issue... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Leighton Baines in the referee's ear ffs. How does such rubbish get published? Didnt even read that part, bloody hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 'Then again, the players have to take their share of responsibility too.' Na cant be anyone on here Fwiw i pretty much agree with everything in that though TBF, there are a loyal band of player critics in here too. Myself included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 'Then again, the players have to take their share of responsibility too.' Na cant be anyone on here Fwiw i pretty much agree with everything in that though TBF, there are a loyal band of player critics in here too. Myself included. Same here, tend to get shouted down for saying it though as if its a defence of Pardew in some way to suggest it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 'The personnel aren't to blame at all.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 As we've written on these pages too often over the years, we're on the final lap and in some distress, staggering towards the finishing line. This season is proving to be no exception. ... is food for thought. I'm guessing you mean this in a "This is just us, it'll be the same if we get rid of Pards" kind of way? The shape of the club is one of the best it's ever been in, the owner in spite of being an apparently sadistic bellend has actually done wonders with us, a very good manager is the final piece of the puzzle that we need imo (maybe a new coaching staff too). In the past when we've limped over the line the whole club has been surrounded with turmoil, there's none of that now, everything is strangely calm. Personally I think this unreserved praise for Ashley/criticism for Pardew angle is a bit off. It can't be denied that the books look better than have in a while (yippee) but when you look at what Ashley's actually implemented since he's been here the two stand outs for me are sensible spending and advertising for his company (which he's entitled to do). I don't necessarily think that he just spends the bare minimum (as I used to think) otherwise I don't think we'd have seen new long contracts for Tiote/Krul or recruitment of Sissoko/MYM etc who must be on decent wages even though they were brought in for relatively cheap, but I still feel his priority is SD and always will be. Ashley has backed a great scout and well done to him for that, but lets not forget that Pardew is their man and he was specifically brought in to be their mouthpiece as well as the guy who picks the 11 on a Saturday. They want a 'stable' set up in the club so they can do what they want, when they want, footballing success is not the priority (I said all of this when Pardew was appointed and I still believe it). The reduction in expectation exercise that Pardew is always on comes right from the top. The club may be in the best financial shape it's been in for some time, but the ambition to do well on the pitch is arguably the lowest it's been in 25 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Love that pic of the hooligan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 As we've written on these pages too often over the years, we're on the final lap and in some distress, staggering towards the finishing line. This season is proving to be no exception. ... is food for thought. I'm guessing you mean this in a "This is just us, it'll be the same if we get rid of Pards" kind of way? The shape of the club is one of the best it's ever been in, the owner in spite of being an apparently sadistic bellend has actually done wonders with us, a very good manager is the final piece of the puzzle that we need imo (maybe a new coaching staff too). In the past when we've limped over the line the whole club has been surrounded with turmoil, there's none of that now, everything is strangely calm. Personally I think this unreserved praise for Ashley/criticism for Pardew angle is a bit off. It can't be denied that the books look better than have in a while (yippee) but when you look at what Ashley's actually implemented since he's been here the two stand outs for me are sensible spending and advertising for his company (which he's entitled to do). I don't necessarily think that he just spends the bare minimum (as I used to think) otherwise I don't think we'd have seen new long contracts for Tiote/Krul or recruitment of Sissoko/MYM etc who must be on decent wages even though they were brought in for relatively cheap, but I still feel his priority is SD and always will be. Ashley has backed a great scout and well done to him for that, but lets not forget that Pardew is their man and he was specifically brought in to be their mouthpiece as well as the guy who picks the 11 on a Saturday. They want a 'stable' set up in the club so they can do what they want, when they want, footballing success is not the priority (I said all of this when Pardew was appointed and I still believe it). The reduction in expectation exercise that Pardew is always on comes right from the top. The club may be in the best financial shape it's been in for some time, but the ambition to do well on the pitch is arguably the lowest it's been in 25 years. I wouldn't really praise Ashley too highly myself like, he's undoubtedly improved from a few years ago but he still has his obvious faults and as you say his main priority probably is his sports empire. He has however got the club in an almost unprecedented state of calm despite our ridiculous season, and has the club running in a way that if managed correctly shouldbe a force in the league, the only thing that is hindering us (providing we continue to invest into the squad the same way we have over the past year and a half) is our ability to get our players functioning together on the pitch imo. Obviously that comes down to Ashley and whether or not he has the will and ability to get rid of Pardew and replace him with someone better suited to the cause. I'm still not sure he'd go for the right man but I would certainly take the gamble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 http://payaso-del-mierda.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/horseplay.html someone tweeted this. I don't agree with all of it, some salient points though imo The guy whose blog this is was my English tutor last year. Good bloke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. I'd have it back now. Really? They were some good times to be fair, spunked a lot of money on fatties like kluivert and such but wasn't all bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 That mentality in modern day football would see us fucked within a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Why would anyone want that mentality back man? It wasn't just that we were spending, we were spunking money away for the sake of it. I'd quite happily see us spend £40m under Ashley mind as I trust this set-up to reap the rewards from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. I'd have it back now. Really? They were some good times to be fair, spunked a lot of money on fatties like kluivert and such but wasn't all bad. Aye. That free transfer Kluivert is the best example by far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 http://payaso-del-mierda.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/horseplay.html someone tweeted this. I don't agree with all of it, some salient points though imo The guy whose blog this is was my English tutor last year. Good bloke. I C? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Why would anyone want that mentality back man? It wasn't just that we were spending, we were spunking money away for the sake of it. I'd quite happily see us spend £40m under Ashley mind as I trust this set-up to reap the rewards from it. it was crazy, i know lots would say its not our money. But it was not sustainable. It was a matter of time before it hit the fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I still dread the days of under fat Fred though. Sure we had some success. But it was still madness. I'd have it back now. Really? They were some good times to be fair, spunked a lot of money on fatties like kluivert and such but wasn't all bad. Aye. That free transfer Kluivert is the best example by far. i know all players come to play for free. dont have to pay their wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 http://payaso-del-mierda.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/horseplay.html someone tweeted this. I don't agree with all of it, some salient points though imo The guy whose blog this is was my English tutor last year. Good bloke. I C? Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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