Jordan Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's impossible to take seriously the views of the Pardew haters, because everything they say is given an unnecessary and rather daft negative spin. Poor results: Pardew's fault. Poor performances: Pardews fault. Poor decisions going against us: Pardew's fault. Injuries: Pardew's fault. Sending offs: Pardew's fault. Ashley not strengthening: Pardew's fault. It's as laughable as it is excruciatingly boring. good points, i can understand the criticism of the turgid one dimensional approach from pardew. but the rest is too much. The rest of what? Most of the complaints are about the turgid one dimensional football. how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. But we have against that type of team, that's why people are getting annoyed. thats fair enough but not today. It's built up frustration, I can't recall us having a good game since probably Stoke last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Their play against everton and us was pretty decent to be honest. They will be in the top half I would have thought. They only have Suarez up front on his own, I think that is half the reason their possession play doesn't quite develop as well as they wish... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's impossible to take seriously the views of the Pardew haters, because everything they say is given an unnecessary and rather daft negative spin. Poor results: Pardew's fault. Poor performances: Pardews fault. Poor decisions going against us: Pardew's fault. Injuries: Pardew's fault. Sending offs: Pardew's fault. Ashley not strengthening: Pardew's fault. It's as laughable as it is excruciatingly boring. good points, i can understand the criticism of the turgid one dimensional approach from pardew. but the rest is too much. The rest of what? Most of the complaints are about the turgid one dimensional football. how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. But we have against that type of team, that's why people are getting annoyed. thats fair enough but not today. It's built up frustration, I can't recall us having a good game since probably Stoke last season. you thought that was a good game? we practically out Stoked them, we played long balls all match even used their pitch side towel to dry the ball as we launched it long from throwings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's impossible to take seriously the views of the Pardew haters, because everything they say is given an unnecessary and rather daft negative spin. Poor results: Pardew's fault. Poor performances: Pardews fault. Poor decisions going against us: Pardew's fault. Injuries: Pardew's fault. Sending offs: Pardew's fault. Ashley not strengthening: Pardew's fault. It's as laughable as it is excruciatingly boring. good points, i can understand the criticism of the turgid one dimensional approach from pardew. but the rest is too much. The rest of what? Most of the complaints are about the turgid one dimensional football. how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. But we have against that type of team, that's why people are getting annoyed. thats fair enough but not today. It's built up frustration, I can't recall us having a good game since probably Stoke last season. you thought that was a good game? we practically out Stoked them, we played long balls all match even used their pitch side towel to dry the ball as we launched it long from throwings. We dominated though and Cabaye ran the show as well as getting two goals. I can't think of a game since that we dominated. The football wasn't the best but we outplayed them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Have we had a good performance this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Man U was a good performance once we were already 2 down like, if that counts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggelbet Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's impossible to take seriously the views of the Pardew haters, because everything they say is given an unnecessary and rather daft negative spin. Poor results: Pardew's fault. Poor performances: Pardews fault. Poor decisions going against us: Pardew's fault. Injuries: Pardew's fault. Sending offs: Pardew's fault. Ashley not strengthening: Pardew's fault. It's as laughable as it is excruciatingly boring. good points, i can understand the criticism of the turgid one dimensional approach from pardew. but the rest is too much. The rest of what? Most of the complaints are about the turgid one dimensional football. how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. But we have against that type of team, that's why people are getting annoyed. thats fair enough but not today. It's built up frustration, I can't recall us having a good game since probably Stoke last season. you thought that was a good game? we practically out Stoked them, we played long balls all match even used their pitch side towel to dry the ball as we launched it long from throwings. We didn't 'out stoke' stoke at home last season, we played good football. You are perhaps getting mixed up with the away game last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. Liverpool at Anfield have won one in six, more teams have won at Anfield than Liverpool. lets balance things out if want to use stats, this season nufc before entering anfield , havent won a single match away. What's happened in the past is irrelevant on the day. The fact is that Liverpool are bollocks and will do well to finish in the top half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Another positive I'm taking so far this season, is that of the 5 draws, only Everton did we deserve to lose. Reading & Villa were poor but still should have really won, Sunderland & Liverpool were pretty similar as well. I think these draws are more likely to turn to wins as we go on. Plus we don't seem prone to a hiding like we were last season by mid-table/bottom-half clubs (Fulham, Wigan, etc). Why should we have won against Villa and Reading? We were bollocks and created next to nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 lets balance things out if want to use stats, this season nufc before entering anfield , havent won a single match away. I know, that's hardly a positive and that stat' will get worse the longer we go without winning, does that make every draw from now on better than the last? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Have we had a good performance this season? We've been good in patches - but we haven't hit top gear yet. We did last season and it will happen this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Horseshit. Not really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Was rocking a tidy three piece today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Another view at this. If we are a team that want´s to defend and then counterattack. Then I have to say that I rarely seen a worse team than us. There are just no one that ever make any runs, especially not at full speed, when we gets the ball. Someone talk about playing like Chelsea, or crap like that, but hey. They are a wonderful counterattacking team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Another view at this. If we are a team that want´s to defend and then counterattack. Then I have to say that I rarely seen a worse team than us. There are just no one that ever make any runs, especially not at full speed, when we gets the ball. Someone talk about playing like Chelsea, or crap like that, but hey. They are a wonderful counterattacking team. yet on our good run last season i've rarely seen counter attacking done better and thats with the same group of players we have now. the reason for the change ?, i'd like to say your guess is as good as mine but i doubt it would be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 10 games in, 10th place and 3 points off fourth. 2 defeats to Man United and Chelski. Last three games, 2 away draws to the Mackems and Liverpool and a home win. We have a set of fixtures now coming up where we need to take some serious points. The next six league games could really shape our season. No more excuses of playing poorly, we have to go and dominate games against these teams and keep the ball. It will be interesting to see where we are Mid December. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Three months into the season and we have only lost to Man Utd and Chelsea. We haven't played our best but we're realistically only 3 points behind where we're targeting. It's been a decent start to the season. We have many good players and a decent manager. We'll be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 We won a lot of games last season by scoring first and sitting on the lead,it's not a new development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Is it only me that thought our style was more acceptable during that first half yesterday? We went 4-3-3, we kept the ball, we didn't hoof as much as previously. The way we defended after half-time was spot on, they didn't create anything until they caught us out with a rare long ball. No fault whatsoever in those tactics. We had no reason to bomb forward and leave ourselves open when we'd taken the lead. Counter-attacks maybe weren't good enough but still, I don't think we can fault Pardew for much yesterday. Had Cabaye stayed on I think we would have won it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yplasterer Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Is it only me that thought our style was more acceptable during that first half yesterday? We went 4-3-3, we kept the ball, we didn't hoof as much as previously. The way we defended after half-time was spot on, they didn't create anything until they caught us out with a rare long ball. No fault whatsoever in those tactics. We had no reason to bomb forward and leave ourselves open when we'd taken the lead. Counter-attacks maybe weren't good enough but still, I don't think we can fault Pardew for much yesterday. Had Cabaye stayed on I think we would have won it. Completely agree with this, the first half tactics were spot on. If we were counter-attacking as quickly as we were in the latter part of last season (still a valid concern that we aren't, mind) then it would have been even better. Second half was frustrating, but losing Ba, Cabaye and to a lesser extent Perchinho whilst Colo had a relative off-day certainly contributed to that. Criticising Pardew for this seems excessive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Is it only me that thought our style was more acceptable during that first half yesterday? We went 4-3-3, we kept the ball, we didn't hoof as much as previously. The way we defended after half-time was spot on, they didn't create anything until they caught us out with a rare long ball. No fault whatsoever in those tactics. We had no reason to bomb forward and leave ourselves open when we'd taken the lead. Counter-attacks maybe weren't good enough but still, I don't think we can fault Pardew for much yesterday. Had Cabaye stayed on I think we would have won it. Don't agree with the second half bit. I thought we sat back far too much and were too deep, especially against a team so poor at going forward. I'm not saying we should have bombed forward, far from it but there was a balance to be found and we didn't do that. Why let a team with one proper striker come on to you so that he's constantly in and around the box? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 10 games in, 10th place and 3 points off fourth. 2 defeats to Man United and Chelski. Last three games, 2 away draws to the Mackems and Liverpool and a home win. We have a set of fixtures now coming up where we need to take some serious points. The next six league games could really shape our season. No more excuses of playing poorly, we have to go and dominate games against these teams and keep the ball. It will be interesting to see where we are Mid December. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Is it only me that thought our style was more acceptable during that first half yesterday? We went 4-3-3, we kept the ball, we didn't hoof as much as previously. The way we defended after half-time was spot on, they didn't create anything until they caught us out with a rare long ball. No fault whatsoever in those tactics. We had no reason to bomb forward and leave ourselves open when we'd taken the lead. Counter-attacks maybe weren't good enough but still, I don't think we can fault Pardew for much yesterday. Had Cabaye stayed on I think we would have won it. Don't agree with the second half bit. I thought we sat back far too much and were too deep, especially against a team so poor at going forward. I'm not saying we should have bombed forward, far from it but there was a balance to be found and we didn't do that. Why let a team with one proper striker come on to you so that he's constantly in and around the box? Maybe a bit, yes, but I wouldn't say Liverpool are that poor going forward. They are having trouble scoring, but kept the ball well. Had we opened ourselves up more I think we would have given them - and especially Suarez - the space they need to actually penetrate. They were clueless on how to open us up for long periods. I still think our counter-attacking could be better, maybe comitting Ben Arfa further up the pitch was the missing piece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Is it only me that thought our style was more acceptable during that first half yesterday? We went 4-3-3, we kept the ball, we didn't hoof as much as previously. The way we defended after half-time was spot on, they didn't create anything until they caught us out with a rare long ball. No fault whatsoever in those tactics. We had no reason to bomb forward and leave ourselves open when we'd taken the lead. Counter-attacks maybe weren't good enough but still, I don't think we can fault Pardew for much yesterday. Had Cabaye stayed on I think we would have won it. Don't agree with the second half bit. I thought we sat back far too much and were too deep, especially against a team so poor at going forward. I'm not saying we should have bombed forward, far from it but there was a balance to be found and we didn't do that. Why let a team with one proper striker come on to you so that he's constantly in and around the box? Spot on, exactly what I feel. I think that we should have a more offensive approach. But that´s just me. I can live with us playing more deeply if pardew likes that. But it has to be some kind of balance. The second half yesterday was like a training session were we was practicing defense, and every time we won the ball we just gave it to Liverpool straight away. Instead of doing that every single game we should be better to control the game with ball possession. But we can´t. That´s the problem. There is no surprise that we concede when we are in the lead if we are just kicking away the ball for 45 minutes. In such a long time there will always be "a lucky bounce" or "a mistake" to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Is it only me that thought our style was more acceptable during that first half yesterday? We went 4-3-3, we kept the ball, we didn't hoof as much as previously. The way we defended after half-time was spot on, they didn't create anything until they caught us out with a rare long ball. No fault whatsoever in those tactics. We had no reason to bomb forward and leave ourselves open when we'd taken the lead. Counter-attacks maybe weren't good enough but still, I don't think we can fault Pardew for much yesterday. Had Cabaye stayed on I think we would have won it. Don't agree with the second half bit. I thought we sat back far too much and were too deep, especially against a team so poor at going forward. I'm not saying we should have bombed forward, far from it but there was a balance to be found and we didn't do that. Why let a team with one proper striker come on to you so that he's constantly in and around the box? Maybe a bit, yes, but I wouldn't say Liverpool are that poor going forward. They are having trouble scoring, but kept the ball well. Had we opened ourselves up more I think we would have given them - and especially Suarez - the space they need to actually penetrate. They were clueless on how to open us up for long periods. I still think our counter-attacking could be better, maybe comitting Ben Arfa further up the pitch was the missing piece. That, and that more players got to attack, at least 4-5 players. We are to easy to take the ball from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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