Mick Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 It's amazing that a manager can get so much credit when things go right but seems to be blameless to some when things go the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 It's amazing that a manager can get so much credit when things go right but seems to be blameless to some when things go the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Why the fuck is he in the Black Bull? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Nearest pub to the training ground, innit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 It's amazing that a manager can get so much credit when things go right but seems to be blameless to some when things go the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Nearest pub to the training ground, innit? Aye I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 It's amazing that a manager can get so much credit when things go right but seems to be blameless to some when things go the other way. I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf. OK, name them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Don't have that much time on my hands like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Don't have that much time on my hands like He does get praise, its just that its not always over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Heading for the nearest pub straight after finishing a day at work cannot be a good sign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Odds on him being the next Brazil manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf. OK, name them. Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now. I don't do knee jerk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Couldn't be bothered to trawl through 12 pages, same discussion points about wor Pards then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf. OK, name them. Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now. I don't do knee jerk. Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?" I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you. He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him. I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf. OK, name them. Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now. I don't do knee jerk. Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?" I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you. He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him. I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify). No hindsight here, said he was a crap manager all the way back even when we took it to Manchester untied...the tactics and style were there to be seen, its just oblivious to some.. Was hoping he would get replace in a couple of years mid way last season, till the shocking 8 year contract announcement. I am resign to the fact he would be here longer than any other player unless we are threaten with relegation. Not too optimistic of the future seasons tbh.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Nearest pub to the training ground, innit? Aye I think. Ship Inn man, howay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf. OK, name them. Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now. I don't do knee jerk. Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?" I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you. He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him. I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf. OK, name them. Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now. I don't do knee jerk. Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?" I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you. He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him. I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify). Likewise I called him a relegation specialist when he joined, but he won me over with good results and it boggles me that someone wouldn't give him credit, I still do give him credit for that despite being quite furious with him now. He had a great impact for the club, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt over his handling of Ben Arfa even though it took ages for him to become first team regular in that when he was he was brilliant and worked hard for the team etc etc. This season he's been poor, it's partially due to utter failure in the transfer market over the summer, partially due to a hideous injury crisis (made worse by the former) but we also seem completely tactically out of ideas and resorting to shit footy. It's strange how it's turned out, as while he was never a great tactical tinkerer we were at least not so aimless as we are now. He was caught out a few too many times by packed midfields but normally we were good enough to overcome that. He takes a lot of the blame for this season but it's not inconsistent to say he takes the credit for a lot of last season. He just seems to have lost the dressing room in some way, players aren't motivated or coordinated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'd say there are just as many who blame him when things go wrong and give him zero credit when things go right, tbf. OK, name them. Me, can't stand the bloke. Thought he was a crap manager when he arrived, thought he was crap manager last season, think he's a crap manager now. I don't do knee jerk. Did you, Sir, remain flaccid when we played like a dream at the Hawthorns, or shrugged and emitted a "flukey win, that" when we beat Man U, or did you by any chance lay there counting till ten in a missionary position as he took us to our first 5th place finish in years thinking, "oh he'll be done soon enough?" I ask because I don't know how you have to be knee-jerk to give credit where it's due. One can be sans any kind of jerking, knee or otherwise, simply by reacting as a human being to what's being put in front of you. He was hardly a crap manager last season, and to say otherwise is using hindsight to simply back your own opinion on him. I never rated him highly when he arrived either, but I'm putting my fingers where the keyboard is and saying after last season, I have at least some amount of faith in him, and that he may just turn this around, the silver-haired fox. I could be wrong, but adults make choices and take stances where they could possibly turn out to be wrong, but they do so based on evidence (for me that is evidence of last season, not this season -- just to clarify). He's either crap, great or average. I know what I think and I'm not afraid to say it, he's craperage at best and last season was a fluke. Better to stand by what you believe than be blown around by events like a leaf in a storm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Why was Pardew sacked by Southampton btw? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2237554/Nigel-Adkins-says-Southampton-owe-Alan-Pardew-nothing.html Pardew said: 'I was quite happy about getting sacked, if I'm honest. I thought I'd done a good job. And it was proving to be very very difficult to work with the owner. 'It was a difficult period working with Mr Cortese Ashley. We just didn't see eye to eye. There was no nastiness in there, he just didn't want me as his manager and I think that was obviously coming through to me.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Mike Walker managed Norwich to a third place finish in the PL, was he a good manager? George Burley managed Ipswich to a fifth place finish in the PL, was he a good manager? Good fortune and random events can make any manager look good over a single season. Good managers achieve over sustained periods of time and AP hasn't been at any club long enough to lay claim to being a good manager. He's got eight more years at NUFC, more than long enough to work out if he's any good once and for all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Mike Walker managed Norwich to a third place finish in the PL, was he a good manager? George Burley managed Ipswich to a fifth place finish in the PL, was he a good manager? Good fortune and random events can make any manager look good over a single season. Good managers achieve over sustained periods of time and AP hasn't been at any club long enough to lay claim to being a good manager. He's got eight more years at NUFC, more than long enough to work out if he's any good once and for all. What would you say of Ranieri or Benitez, out of curiosity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Or perhaps he got things right one season, and wrong the next one, it's more complicated than he's either shit or good ffs, last season was brilliant and I don't want it soured by oooh it was a fluke. We were fucking mint at times (granted not all the time) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Or perhaps he got things right one season, and wrong the next one, it's more complicated than he's either s*** or good ffs, last season was brilliant and I don't want it soured by oooh it was a fluke. We were f***ing mint at times (granted not all the time) Last season wasn't brilliant, our league position was and a few games were but it was also poor at times, especially early in the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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