Flip Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Doesn't matter does it? Cisse hasn't worked on the right for half a season why play him there again then? Might as well ahve benched him for Everton if we had been practicing the 4-3-3. Pardew lost the plot last night and we lost yet another game because of his mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Oh and I called Pardew a lesser version of Sven-Göran Eriksson last season but got loads of stick. The man is a replica, when everything is going well he's very good but he can't change a match. He doesn't have that ability, just like Sven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 For a manager who regularly goes through 3 or 4 formation changes per game because he's set us up incorrectly to say that he couldn't find a way at any point in the 90 minutes to have Cisse up front is completely laughable. The excuses trotted out by some that we had to put Shola in there due to the way we'd prepared for the game in advance is f***ing idiotic. There were 3 spare days between the Arsenal and Everton games, and i imagine one was just resting after a hectic schedule. So that's two full days of training. And Ba met with f***ing Chelsea the day after the Arsenal match for christ's sake so if Pardew's honestly preparing to use him during this game the man is off his rocker. What's more, if he's looking to play 4-3-3 - guess what - we already have a perfect tailor made replacement ready who can play down the middle in that formation and score shedloads - his name is Papiss Cisse. He's played that role many, many times - the idea that he can't due to lacking preparation is nuts. Remember when he signed? Newly returned from ACON, and Pardew put Best in the starting lineup (lol), he got injured, Cisse came on with no preparation, looked the dog's bollocks and scored. On top of that, while Shola has his uses as an impact sub, he's good for 25 minutes tops in a game - starting him and keeping him on til the end is madness. The only slight glimmer of sense i can see to it is that he was brought in to cope with Everton's aerial prowess - in which case you've just picked your main striker as, let's face it, a goddamn defender, while keeping your best striker - one who has wished to play centrally all season - stuck out in purgatory on the wing. And if we're led to believe this horseshit theory about Ba intending to play that role - he was also planning to use him as a battering ram, another mis-use of his talents to go along with how he's wasted others or turned them into crap this season. It's another one of those Souness-esque moments for me and there's been too many recently. Fuck me. More eloquent and spot on than anything I could drum up in my posts. ...and boom goes the dynamite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyMag Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 For a manager who regularly goes through 3 or 4 formation changes per game because he's set us up incorrectly to say that he couldn't find a way at any point in the 90 minutes to have Cisse up front is completely laughable. The excuses trotted out by some that we had to put Shola in there due to the way we'd prepared for the game in advance is f***ing idiotic. There were 3 spare days between the Arsenal and Everton games, and i imagine one was just resting after a hectic schedule. So that's two full days of training. And Ba met with f***ing Chelsea the day after the Arsenal match for christ's sake so if Pardew's honestly preparing to use him during this game the man is off his rocker. What's more, if he's looking to play 4-3-3 - guess what - we already have a perfect tailor made replacement ready who can play down the middle in that formation and score shedloads - his name is Papiss Cisse. He's played that role many, many times - the idea that he can't due to lacking preparation is nuts. Remember when he signed? Newly returned from ACON, and Pardew put Best in the starting lineup (lol), he got injured, Cisse came on with no preparation, looked the dog's bollocks and scored. On top of that, while Shola has his uses as an impact sub, he's good for 25 minutes tops in a game - starting him and keeping him on til the end is madness. The only slight glimmer of sense i can see to it is that he was brought in to cope with Everton's aerial prowess - in which case you've just picked your main striker as, let's face it, a goddamn defender, while keeping your best striker - one who has wished to play centrally all season - stuck out in purgatory on the wing. And if we're led to believe this horseshit theory about Ba intending to play that role - he was also planning to use him as a battering ram, another mis-use of his talents to go along with how he's wasted others or turned them into crap this season. It's another one of those Souness-esque moments for me and there's been too many recently. f*** me. More eloquent and spot on than anything I could drum up in my posts. ...and boom goes the dynamite. How much preparation would it have taken to play Shola on the right and Cisse down the middle? About two sentences........ are we THAT inflexible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 There's a trend with all of the shit managers we've had...they've all botted Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Oh and I called Pardew a lesser version of Sven-Göran Eriksson last season but got loads of stick. The man is a replica, when everything is going well he's very good but he can't change a match. He doesn't have that ability, just like Sven. My Lord ... what an insult to Sven-Göran Eriksson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 There's a trend with all of the shit managers we've had...they've all botted Shola. Allardyce was shit but he knew the score with Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Allardyce to his credit wanted nowt to do with Shola. Same with Keegan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eggenberger Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Like saying Santon is like Lahm, good going forward but suspect defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 For a manager who regularly goes through 3 or 4 formation changes per game because he's set us up incorrectly to say that he couldn't find a way at any point in the 90 minutes to have Cisse up front is completely laughable. The excuses trotted out by some that we had to put Shola in there due to the way we'd prepared for the game in advance is f***ing idiotic. There were 3 spare days between the Arsenal and Everton games, and i imagine one was just resting after a hectic schedule. So that's two full days of training. And Ba met with f***ing Chelsea the day after the Arsenal match for christ's sake so if Pardew's honestly preparing to use him during this game the man is off his rocker. What's more, if he's looking to play 4-3-3 - guess what - we already have a perfect tailor made replacement ready who can play down the middle in that formation and score shedloads - his name is Papiss Cisse. He's played that role many, many times - the idea that he can't due to lacking preparation is nuts. Remember when he signed? Newly returned from ACON, and Pardew put Best in the starting lineup (lol), he got injured, Cisse came on with no preparation, looked the dog's bollocks and scored. On top of that, while Shola has his uses as an impact sub, he's good for 25 minutes tops in a game - starting him and keeping him on til the end is madness. The only slight glimmer of sense i can see to it is that he was brought in to cope with Everton's aerial prowess - in which case you've just picked your main striker as, let's face it, a goddamn defender, while keeping your best striker - one who has wished to play centrally all season - stuck out in purgatory on the wing. And if we're led to believe this horseshit theory about Ba intending to play that role - he was also planning to use him as a battering ram, another mis-use of his talents to go along with how he's wasted others or turned them into crap this season. It's another one of those Souness-esque moments for me and there's been too many recently. f*** me. More eloquent and spot on than anything I could drum up in my posts. ...and boom goes the dynamite. How much preparation would it have taken to play Shola on the right and Cisse down the middle? About two sentences........ are we THAT inflexible? The only reason i can think of playing Cisse on the right and Shola in the middle..is Shola hasn't got the legs to get back and help the full back out. Cisse was helpling out at the back way to much, good on the lad fopr the effort but Id rather see him on the half way line keeping their centrebacks worried about a break away. never mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Shola should be 4th choice maximum, the fact he's now 2nd in the pecking order speaks volumes about our current predicament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Shola should be 4th choice maximum, the fact he's now 2nd in the pecking order speaks volumes about our current predicament. Shola shouldn't be anywhere near a team playing European football. When you look back at it. Ipswich sniffed around but the useless twat failed a medical and he was on loan at Stoke (who didn't even play him!) That's about the stamp of the useless fucker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The excuses trotted out by some that we had to put Shola in there due to the way we'd prepared for the game in advance is fucking idiotic. There were 3 spare days between the Arsenal and Everton games, and i imagine one was just resting after a hectic schedule. So that's two full days of training. And Ba met with fucking Chelsea the day after the Arsenal match for christ's sake so if Pardew's honestly preparing to use him during this game the man is off his rocker. What's more, if he's looking to play 4-3-3 - guess what - we already have a perfect tailor made replacement ready who can play down the middle in that formation and score shedloads - his name is Papiss Cisse. He's played that role many, many times - the idea that he can't due to lacking preparation is nuts. Remember when he signed? Newly returned from ACON, and Pardew put Best in the starting lineup (lol), he got injured, Cisse came on with no preparation, looked the dog's bollocks and scored. On top of that, while Shola has his uses as an impact sub, he's good for 25 minutes tops in a game - starting him and keeping him on til the end is madness. The only slight glimmer of sense i can see to it is that he was brought in to cope with Everton's aerial prowess - in which case you've just picked your main striker as, let's face it, a goddamn defender, while keeping your best striker - one who has wished to play centrally all season - stuck out in purgatory on the wing. And if we're led to believe this horseshit theory about Ba intending to play that role - he was also planning to use him as a battering ram, another mis-use of his talents to go along with how he's wasted others or turned them into crap this season. It's another one of those Souness-esque moments for me and there's been too many recently. Love that post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 With the current players that we have, I honestly think that he puts Shola and Cisse on some kind of par, but with different attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I think Anita in Cisse's position and Bigi back in the centre would have been how I would have lined up, it obviously isn't ideal but it would have gave us some better protection against their left which, again, cut us to shreds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Shola should be 4th choice maximum, the fact he's now 2nd in the pecking order speaks volumes about our current predicament. I think it speaks volumes that this debate is being had about 5/6 years after the first time it reared it's head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Oh and I called Pardew a lesser version of Sven-Göran Eriksson last season but got loads of stick. The man is a replica, when everything is going well he's very good but he can't change a match. He doesn't have that ability, just like Sven. My Lord ... what an insult to Sven-Göran Eriksson. Lesser, and Sven was a manager of this exact same type. Sven-Göran Eriksson is one of the most overrated managers of all time. Just like Pardew he had his fair share of scouts who found players for him. A manager should be judged on the ability to win games and change games whenever they are down. Sven lacked that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 For a manager who regularly goes through 3 or 4 formation changes per game because he's set us up incorrectly to say that he couldn't find a way at any point in the 90 minutes to have Cisse up front is completely laughable. The stupid twat can't keep the same shape for 60 mins before shitting his pants and throwing his plans in the air, yet we have to prepare for a week to play a centre forward on the wing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 For a manager who regularly goes through 3 or 4 formation changes per game because he's set us up incorrectly to say that he couldn't find a way at any point in the 90 minutes to have Cisse up front is completely laughable. The excuses trotted out by some that we had to put Shola in there due to the way we'd prepared for the game in advance is fucking idiotic. There were 3 spare days between the Arsenal and Everton games, and i imagine one was just resting after a hectic schedule. So that's two full days of training. And Ba met with fucking Chelsea the day after the Arsenal match for christ's sake so if Pardew's honestly preparing to use him during this game the man is off his rocker. What's more, if he's looking to play 4-3-3 - guess what - we already have a perfect tailor made replacement ready who can play down the middle in that formation and score shedloads - his name is Papiss Cisse. He's played that role many, many times - the idea that he can't due to lacking preparation is nuts. Remember when he signed? Newly returned from ACON, and Pardew put Best in the starting lineup (lol), he got injured, Cisse came on with no preparation, looked the dog's bollocks and scored. On top of that, while Shola has his uses as an impact sub, he's good for 25 minutes tops in a game - starting him and keeping him on til the end is madness. The only slight glimmer of sense i can see to it is that he was brought in to cope with Everton's aerial prowess - in which case you've just picked your main striker as, let's face it, a goddamn defender, while keeping your best striker - one who has wished to play centrally all season - stuck out in purgatory on the wing. And if we're led to believe this horseshit theory about Ba intending to play that role - he was also planning to use him as a battering ram, another mis-use of his talents to go along with how he's wasted others or turned them into crap this season. It's another one of those Souness-esque moments for me and there's been too many recently. Hallelujah! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 When he is able to put out the following side with the following bench then and only then should he be judged ...................Krul................ Debuchy...Taylor...Colo.....Santon ...............Anita.....Tiote............ HBA................Cabaye..........Marv ..................Cisse....................... Jonas Simpson Shola Bigi Taylor Willo New CF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Jonas as sub goalie? Don't be so fucking mental, get out of here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 When he is able to put out the following side with the following bench then and only then should he be judged ...................Krul................ Debuchy...Taylor...Colo.....Santon ...............Anita.....Tiote............ HBA................Cabaye..........Marv ..................Cisse....................... Jonas Simpson Shola Bigi Taylor Willo New CF Harsh as fuck to judge him based on how he copes with the same trials and tribulations that other managers face. Knee jerking bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Jonas as sub goalie? Don't be so f***ing mental, get out of here. If its good enough for Jose, it's good enough for Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Ideally we'd keep him for now, mainly because we're in the middle of a transfer window. If we we haven't seen a great improvement in results and gameplan when we've reached februari, sack the cunt and maybe, just maybe the new manager could give everyone a lift and have a great run for the rest of the season. Can't see it happening, but if we could get a quality manager we might be able to keep our players for next season. This transfer window and the uncertainty around which idiot Ashley would replace him with would make this moment the worst to sack him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Might as well see how the rest of the season pans out, now isn't the time to be making any major changes. I just can't see us going anywhere under Pardew after that though. Ashley has to bite the bullet and invest in a proper manager come the summer. If he doesn't know how to do it, he should headhunt someone who does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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