Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Historically it's taken roughtly two seasons for the 'blag' to wear off. Apparently, suddenly all his 'hoppity - skippity', grinning, bedroom eyes, cheeky post match narnia - illusions to magic turns into a big wet brown mushroom. Arguable for sure, the difference is this time he won't get sacked so we'll get to see what season three is like. Maybe he's developed and will have a way to turn things around. Alternatively he gets hit by a fukin bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 we'll know in the next 3 games if he'll ever turn this around and improve as a manager and if he's learned anything from the 1st half of the season, i refuse to accept that if he retreats into his shell now and tries to 1-0 his way to safety with shola up top & cisse on the wing that he'll ever improve as a manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Good luck getting those 12 points over Liverpool then Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Long term he's not the answer regardless of what happens this season. He's not implemented any kind of footballing philosophy on the club, he's too worried about using training to stop the other team play. If we want to be able to compete top 8 places season after season we need our own style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Long term he's not the answer regardless of what happens this season. He's not implemented any kind of footballing philosophy on the club, he's too worried about using training to stop the other team play. If we want to be able to compete top 8 places season after season we need our own style. Unfortunatly we have our own style under Pardew, and everyone else in the league knows it, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just another thought on this. I don't think it would take a long time to implement a playing style on a squad. See Laudrup at Swansea/Rodgers at Liverpool. If I was in charge, I'd pull the trigger now before it gets any worse. I'd go all out to get a well respected coach, perhaps continental that would work within the confines of the regime. Obvs this wont happen. But as far as I see it now, there can't be many who would be doing a worse job than he is right now To be fair, for Laudrup he already had a mentality and style at Swansea to progress and develop. Our style has been broken for years and needed starting from scratch, unfortunately Pards does not know how to set the foundations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not very good examples, those. Swansea's style of play has been evolving since Martinez took over absolutely yonks ago, while Liverpool are a great example of it taking quite a while to get good at that style, because so far they've struggled to adapt to it. A better example might be Mourinho coming in at Chelsea, but all we learn from that is that it's easier to impose defensive rigidity than it is to teach attacking fluidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 ...with Newcastle being another good example of that. Pardew coming in, playing a defensive style and promising all the while that he's going to try to move in a more positive, attacking direction, then encountering problems when he tried to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I heard Laudrup on the radio this morning saying, in response to the comment about their fixtures building up after yesterday's draw, that he was excited at the prospect of it all. Excellent attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Love Laudrup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Laudrup is brilliant for sure. The conditions for him to come in were excellent TBF, and he is surpassing everyone's expectations so probably finds it easy to be positive. I do think he's class though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just go and get Laudrup already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not very good examples, those. Swansea's style of play has been evolving since Martinez took over absolutely yonks ago, while Liverpool are a great example of it taking quite a while to get good at that style, because so far they've struggled to adapt to it. A better example might be Mourinho coming in at Chelsea, but all we learn from that is that it's easier to impose defensive rigidity than it is to teach attacking fluidity. I'm not too sure I agree,Swansea play a very very different game to Martinez/Rodgers. Much more direct, replaced players, more forward thinking. Also If liverpool are struggling with that style, then half a season isn't too bad from where they were under Dalglish. They may not be challenging the top four but they are streets ahead of us at present. Agreed on Mourinho. He took his style and imprinted it instantly on chelsea. However, like you say Pardew has had a long time to try and implement something from the ground up. He's spectacularly failed, we dont seem to have a discernible game plan ever We have that special gameplan - the one that changes every 15 min. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just go and get Laudrup already. I'd break the bank for him personally if that's what it took but will Ashley do it? will he f*ck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not very good examples, those. Swansea's style of play has been evolving since Martinez took over absolutely yonks ago, while Liverpool are a great example of it taking quite a while to get good at that style, because so far they've struggled to adapt to it. A better example might be Mourinho coming in at Chelsea, but all we learn from that is that it's easier to impose defensive rigidity than it is to teach attacking fluidity. I'm not too sure I agree,Swansea play a very very different game to Martinez/Rodgers. Much more direct, replaced players, more forward thinking. Also If liverpool are struggling with that style, then half a season isn't too bad from where they were under Dalglish. They may not be challenging the top four but they are streets ahead of us at present. Agreed on Mourinho. He took his style and imprinted it instantly on chelsea. However, like you say Pardew has had a long time to try and implement something from the ground up. He's spectacularly failed, we dont seem to have a discernible game plan ever Swansea still play good football with a basic principle of retaining the ball. They just move up the pitch quicker and have more of an edge to them thanks to De Guzman and Michu mainly. He has been able to evolve there game well so far because they already have the foundations to build on. When you have a team that already know how to do the basics well and how to play it's probably helps in tweaking the style which is effectively what Laudrup has done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just go and get Laudrup already. I would go and get Martinez the founder of the style and also nab the Swansea chairman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 What's Otto Hitzfeld up to these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Football is simple. Just go and get everyone and everything you need. Make a big cuppa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 ...with Newcastle being another good example of that. Pardew coming in, playing a defensive style and promising all the while that he's going to try to move in a more positive, attacking direction, then encountering problems when he tried to do it. here you go again, what exactly has he done to try and move towards a more positive attacking direction? be specific Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 So how long can we expect Pardew to need to implement a philosophy throughout the squad/club. He's been here a while now and we still look a totally different team from week to week IMO. Sometimes it's as though they don't even know what they're meant to be doing. Obviously our ludicrous recruitment policy doesn't help him, but can anyone honestly say we have an emerging style of note? I can't. I'd love to believe he's working on it but a bit more evidence would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 So how long can we expect Pardew to need to implement a philosophy throughout the squad/club. He's been here a while now and we still look a totally different team from week to week IMO. Sometimes it's as though they don't even know what they're meant to be doing. Obviously our ludicrous recruitment policy doesn't help him, but can anyone honestly say we have an emerging style of note? I can't. I'd love to believe he's working on it but a bit more evidence would be nice. I honestly don't think his planning has much more to it than winning the next game/magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just out of interest - how many clubs have a particular style of play/philosophy? I agree that Pardew's lack of work on attacking play and tactical awareness is being shown up at the moment, but I do feel that the whole philosophy is a bit woolly and possibly being overplayed. I fully expect to be torn apart for this by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not very good examples, those. Swansea's style of play has been evolving since Martinez took over absolutely yonks ago, while Liverpool are a great example of it taking quite a while to get good at that style, because so far they've struggled to adapt to it. A better example might be Mourinho coming in at Chelsea, but all we learn from that is that it's easier to impose defensive rigidity than it is to teach attacking fluidity. I'm not too sure I agree,Swansea play a very very different game to Martinez/Rodgers. Much more direct, replaced players, more forward thinking. Also If liverpool are struggling with that style, then half a season isn't too bad from where they were under Dalglish. They may not be challenging the top four but they are streets ahead of us at present. Agreed on Mourinho. He took his style and imprinted it instantly on chelsea. However, like you say Pardew has had a long time to try and implement something from the ground up. He's spectacularly failed, we dont seem to have a discernible game plan ever Swansea still play good football with a basic principle of retaining the ball. They just move up the pitch quicker and have more of an edge to them thanks to De Guzman and Michu mainly. He has been able to evolve there game well so far because they already have the foundations to build on. When you have a team that already know how to do the basics well and how to play it's probably helps in tweaking the style which is effectively what Laudrup has done Yeah i agree, its based on retaining the ball, so the tweaks aren't hugely significant but they are certainly more direct. We have easily the players to play that system, in fact you'd argue we are better equipped for that. I agree though perhaps Laudrup isn't the greatest example, but certainly Rodgers has completely changed Liverpool's style, and hasn't taken a particularly long time. The wide forwards have tucked in more to make a three when they have the ball. Less sideways and more fast countering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just out of interest - how many clubs have a particular style of play/philosophy? I agree that Pardew's lack of work on attacking play and tactical awareness is being shown up at the moment, but I do feel that the whole philosophy is a bit woolly and possibly being overplayed. I fully expect to be torn apart for this by the way. ManU's came forward a bit when Red nose had the Portugese with him and they first started worrying about NOT winning the CL..Rooney was re-schooled as a deep forward/midfielder. BUT they are back to give it to the bloke who runs fast down the side and everyone run into the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Laudrup is brilliant for sure. The conditions for him to come in were excellent TBF, and he is surpassing everyone's expectations so probably finds it easy to be positive. I do think he's class though. The conditions may have been excellent in terms of the team being mostly populated with technical footballers (remind you of anything) but he was following arguably their most successful and popular manager into the job, the pressure was on. He's gone in with a positive attitude though, to the football, it's the opposite of Pardew who just shits himself at the mere hint that the opposition might be able to score a goal and sacrifices any sort of attacking intent because of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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