Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think a lot of managers who could have been good or even great fall through the cracks because they aren't given enough time. Very few of the "great" managers of our time go to a club and produce instant results. Most of them had an experience where someone took chance on them through tough times and they had the opportunity to really put their stamp on a club as a long term project. This sort of experience allowed them to achieve their full potential as managers. I think a big part of becoming a good manager is experience rather than natural ability, and you're obviously deprived of much of the experience you need to improve your managing when you're just sacked a the first sign of weakness and bouncing from failure to failure, eventually washing out of the game. Not necessary saying that Pardew is one of these people, but it is true in principle. I think statements like this are utterly pointless. It's not. We'd all love Moyes here now but look at his earlier time at Everton 2001-02: 15th 2002-03: 7th 2003-04: 17th 2004-05: 4th (Qualification for UEFA Champions League) 2005-06: 11th We'd have sacked him after finishing 7th, then 17th, guaranteed. And maybe after finishing 11th after finishing 4th. Sticking with managers is great. As a club and supporters, we are impatient. This is down to years of under-performing or coming close but never winning trophies. We've never allowed a manager to take a step-backwards to take 2 forward. 1 step back and they're gone and everyone is glad they've gone. Bobby went 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd & 5th, had we let him go at the end of the 5th finishing season 90% of the people on here would've happily let him go. It's in the nature of our club to act with haste unfortunately. This is not helped by the fact our best manager's in 25 years left after only 1 "poor" season. We need a mentality change if we are to become successful and stick with a manager. Saying all of that, I don't think Pardew is the guy to trust. I'd take some yoyo (in the PL) with a youngish fresh manager or a inexperienced coach turned-manager or at least a manager with an admirable philosophy. I think Pardew's a bit too far along in his managerial career to make the necessary changes. Moyes has had 14 years straight with 2 clubs to build his philosophy. Pardew's had a similar amount of time as a manager but always chopped and changed, preventing him to build a proper identity bigger than "don't get sacked". You're correct with most of that, but Pardew has a track record of not turning things around once a slump gets started. Charlton being the best example of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Tbf to Pardew on Charlton they were practically down when he took the job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew."Why don't you sign for us? oh by the way there is a realistic chance we could be relegated" How could anyone refuse?????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Was going to say that - hadn't Dowie and Les Reed pretty much sealed the relegation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Was going to say that - hadn't Dowie and Les Reed pretty much sealed the relegation? Pretty much at the time i felt he did well just to make them competitive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 They didn't sack him for getting them relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Tbf to Pardew on Charlton they were practically down when he took the job It was the slump after that as well. Left them bottom of the championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Splitting hairs here, but I don't think they were bottom. How many of the players left after they got relegated out of interest? Looks like they lost some pretty key players from a quick wiki search. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Tbf to Pardew on Charlton they were practically down when he took the job It was the slump after that as well. Left them bottom of the championship. Ah right yeah true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The point about Moyes is a great one and I've said on here before I think we're in for yo-yoing up and down the league for a few years, but that it will probably be worth it. And that the overall trend if we have stability and maintain our current transfer policy will be an upwards one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 If I believed Pardew had anywhere near Moyes' ability, I'd be more patient with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 If I believed Pardew had anywhere near Moyes' ability, I'd be more patient with him. Did you know at the time that Moyes was as good as he has proved to be or are you talking with the benefit of hindsight? I don't think many, if any, picked Moyes out to be a potential star during the lean years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/dBZhh.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 How the fuck did they get through the season with all those old cunts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The point about Moyes is a great one and I've said on here before I think we're in for yo-yoing up and down the league for a few years, but that it will probably be worth it. And that the overall trend if we have stability and maintain our current transfer policy will be an upwards one. If we maintain our current form we'll be relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Gravesen, Yobo and Rooney were forces of nature (having said that, I'm sure I remember some stat about their overall form without Rooney in the side being better) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The point about Moyes is a great one and I've said on here before I think we're in for yo-yoing up and down the league for a few years, but that it will probably be worth it. And that the overall trend if we have stability and maintain our current transfer policy will be an upwards one. If we maintain our current form we'll be relegated. I don't see how that has much of a bearing on my point. I don't think we will maintain it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 If I believed Pardew had anywhere near Moyes' ability, I'd be more patient with him. Did you know at the time that Moyes was as good as he has proved to be or are you talking with the benefit of hindsight? I don't think many, if any, picked Moyes out to be a potential star during the lean years. Moyes was young when he was appointed, whereas Pardew was far more experienced and had a history of his teams going stale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. Does anyone seriously believe that Pardew forfeited the cup? What would be the point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. Does anyone seriously believe that Pardew forfeited the cup? What would be the point? I do. Fewer fixtures, it's quite straightforward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/dBZhh.png Not a chance Steve Watson was 23. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/dBZhh.png Not a chance Steve Watson was 23. Appearances, dumbass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/dBZhh.png Not a chance Steve Watson was 23. Appearances, dumbass. Surprised he played that much for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. Does anyone seriously believe that Pardew forfeited the cup? What would be the point? I do. Fewer fixtures, it's quite straightforward. Has that ever really made a difference? I'm pretty sure the season we last got relegated we crashed out of the FA Cup early as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. Does anyone seriously believe that Pardew forfeited the cup? What would be the point? I do. Fewer fixtures, it's quite straightforward. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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