Guest neesy111 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The Cabaye one doesn't even warrant discussion. He's injured, wants to come off, so you take him off. The fact that there was any booing whatsoever, from anyone, at that point beggars belief. It was very, very blatantly a fitness issue. Reminds me of when we had people complaining on here about Ben Arfa coming off against Fulham, like there was any chance whatsoever it was a tactical change. The Marveaux sub on the other hand was genuinely weird. I guess if the Cabaye one was unexpected, rather than a planned withdrawal, then the Marveaux one is a bit unlucky. If Cabaye had lasted we might not be having this discussion. If the Cabaye sub was just because he's generally not up to speed, then the Marv one is crazy. I thought he felt his groin and asked to come off? Yeah, some reports suggest he did. In which case I suppose Pardew was unlucky to have already subbed Marveaux. How is it unlucky? Cabaye has been out injured about 3 months. Did hid first apparence last week for about 20 min. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he most likley wont last for 90 min. It's not unlucky it just plain stupidity to take Marveaux off. Even without the Cabaye stuff, the Marveaux sub was absolutely stupid and a decision from a bloke that is only bothered about the defensive side of the game. It was clear we needed to actually to attack more at that stage as Reading got zero pressure from us for the 1st 30 mins of the 2nd half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 We had 1 goalscorer and 2 creative players on that pitch. Cabaye rarely plays 90 minutes anyway, let alone after a 2 month absence. Taking off Marv for Perch fully gives Reading the initiative. The crowd knew if Reading scored at 1-0 without Marv, we would struggle to score again. At 1-1 bringing off Cabaye.... the boo's rightly rang out. We wasn't going to score. It's the Marv sub more than anything, it was just that Cabaye's sub was the climax of the situation. IMO Pardew had no intention of letting Cabaye play the 90. And that's okay. But he cocked by subbing Marv and going too defensive too early. The crowd are sick of his conservative nature. Nobody boo'd Perch but the decision. Taking off Marv indicated a change in tactic/philosophy. If this was FM it would be "contain". It's Reading FFS. I#m not a big fan of Sammy but bring him on to keep them on the back foot ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think hoofball is a symptom of being unable to cope with pressure, not a game plan. It happens when we try to play out but can't. Then you get closed down, then you cut your losses and go long. In a way it'd be more reassuring if we were genuinely just giving it to Williamson to boot up the pitch every time as that'd suggest some kind of Pulis-esque game plan. As it happened, Reading came out and pressed and we were frequently unable to play round them, at which point you either risk being dispossessed in your own backyard, or you get rid of it. There were some early balls into the box in the first half even when we were playing quite well, but those were delivered from inside their half and seemed to have some kind of purpose to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think he fucked up the subs, and he knows it. The circumstances mean the mistake was highlighted even more, but there was a lot more behind us losing this game than Perch coming on for Marv. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 We had 1 goalscorer and 2 creative players on that pitch. Cabaye rarely plays 90 minutes anyway, let alone after a 2 month absence. Taking off Marv for Perch fully gives Reading the initiative. The crowd knew if Reading scored at 1-0 without Marv, we would struggle to score again. At 1-1 bringing off Cabaye.... the boo's rightly rang out. We wasn't going to score. It's the Marv sub more than anything, it was just that Cabaye's sub was the climax of the situation. IMO Pardew had no intention of letting Cabaye play the 90. And that's okay. But he cocked by subbing Marv and going too defensive too early. The crowd are sick of his conservative nature. Nobody boo'd Perch but the decision. Taking off Marv indicated a change in tactic/philosophy. If this was FM it would be "contain". It's Reading FFS. I#m not a big fan of Sammy but bring him on to keep them on the back foot ffs. [glow=red,2,300]Weren't.[/glow] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Yeah I think he fucked up, but it might just have been something as minor as not communicating very well with Cabaye, as that Guardian article suggests. From that, the whole fuck-up pretty much sprung. If he has an inkling Cabaye will come off, he doesn't take Marveaux off. That's about as charitable as I can be I think. No doubt he ballsed it up in some way or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If you're going to bring off Marveaux for Perch it should've been coupled with bringing off Shola for Obertan regardless of Cabaye's injury situation. Put some pace in the game to keep it stretched, don't invite fucking pressure when we've absolutely no confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The Cabaye one doesn't even warrant discussion. He's injured, wants to come off, so you take him off. The fact that there was any booing whatsoever, from anyone, at that point beggars belief. It was very, very blatantly a fitness issue. Reminds me of when we had people complaining on here about Ben Arfa coming off against Fulham, like there was any chance whatsoever it was a tactical change. The Marveaux sub on the other hand was genuinely weird. Weird is a strange choice of word. Bad, poor, shit, terrible, expected? Weird would suggest an element of surprise, however that substitution pretty much sums Pardew up doesn't it? Nowt weird about it, it's just shit management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Just checked Stats Zone data as I mentioned earlier, and tbf Marveaux seems basically not to have done anything in the second half, while Shola seemed quite busy just after half time. Small consolation I know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 A fellow NUFC supporter just asked me if I'd accept Dalglish as manager over Pardew right now. I had to be honest and say yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Marveaux set up our best chance in that half with a smart pass, which Shola ballooned over. You could see they were wary of him and his pace, they won the psychological battle as soon as he went off and pushed up a few yards too. He could have at least been switched to the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Stats will never show mentality. They'll never show what Marveaux stopped Reading from doing just by him being there. This is an extreme example and I'm only using it to make a point in an exaggerated way, but say for example Messi/Ronaldo/Ben Arfa/Walcott is stood on the right wing and they're having a quiet second half, just walking about not really doing anything. Before the match the opposition have been told about his strengths and good form and to keep an eye on him, stay vigilant, don't leave any space, don't get forward, don't let him exploit you. The manager then takes him off and puts on a defensive midfielder with absolutely zero creativity. As far as I'm concerned that substitution is one for the opposition, regardless of how quiet they are perceived to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 A fellow NUFC supporter just asked me if I'd accept Dalglish as manager over Pardew right now. I had to be honest and say yes. Me too Thank you, but no. Not on your nelly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 A fellow NUFC supporter just asked me if I'd accept Dalglish as manager over Pardew right now. I had to be honest and say yes. Me too Thank you, but no. Not on your nelly. Fuck that. I'd rather sack Pardew then hire him again on a 10 year deal then have that deluded, senile old fool take charge of us (again). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Just checked Stats Zone data as I mentioned earlier, and tbf Marveaux seems basically not to have done anything in the second half, while Shola seemed quite busy just after half time. Small consolation I know Just checked the score, not much consolation at all man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heake Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I`d rather have Kelly Dalglish FFS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 A fellow NUFC supporter just asked me if I'd accept Dalglish as manager over Pardew right now. I had to be honest and say yes. Me too Funnily enough, we had this conversation during the match on saturday. We said Yes as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 people did not boo at cabaye being subbed alone....if marveaux had not been subbed a few minutes earlier no booing would have found place imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Dogleash ffs. Do people not remember him nearly relegating us before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Dogleash ffs. Do people not remember him nearly relegating us before? Like Pardew is doing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Suggesting Dalglish... Fuck is wrong with people?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Dogleash ffs. Do people not remember him nearly relegating us before? Like Pardew is doing.... Yes, lets sack a manager who might relegate us and replace him with a manager who may also get us relegated (and nearly did once). Neesy, you're a fucking genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 sorry lads I was just relaying my disgust at having to admit I'd take him now over AP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 At least he wouldn't play Shola on the wing. Tell me, where is pardew taking us currently? I'm not saying Pardew should stay I'm saying that if we sack him we should actually go for a competent manager. Dalglish is anything but a competent manager. A change has to be an improvement not like for like (although KD is probably worse than AP). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 KNOCK KNOCK! WHO'S THERE? http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2008/09/26/460KinnearTomJenkins.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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