BottledDog Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 End of the day, there is no excuse for this season, absolutely nothing. Its really that simple. And yet, tediously enough, it's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What I'm finding extremely tedious on this thread is that if you criticise Pardew for legitimate reasons (WE ARE FUCKING THREE POINTS OFF RELEGATION FFS) It's turned into some sort or ridicule along the lines of "HAHAH YEAH HE TELLS TIOTE TO PLAY SHIT". Its boring as fuck now, and this whole he got us 5th last season thing? so what, we aren't fifth now, we are three points off relegation with a young exciting and very good team (cue the "are these players as good as we say they are). End of the day, there is no excuse for this season, absolutely nothing. Its really that simple. It happens on both sides tbf, the difference is I can fully understand the boring hysteria of the "KILL PARDS" crew, they're just passionate about their club to the extent that it retards them. The "LEAVE PARDS ALONE" lot are baffling though, at the very least you have to accept that Pardew isn't the best man for the job and the club could be light years better off if they went with another man.t hat isn't even debatable imo, he's an average manager in charge of a club that should be battling for the top 4 every season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What I'm finding extremely tedious on this thread is that if you criticise Pardew for legitimate reasons (WE ARE FUCKING THREE POINTS OFF RELEGATION FFS) It's turned into some sort or ridicule along the lines of "HAHAH YEAH HE TELLS TIOTE TO PLAY SHIT". Its boring as fuck now, and this whole he got us 5th last season thing? so what, we aren't fifth now, we are three points off relegation with a young exciting and very good team (cue the "are these players as good as we say they are). End of the day, there is no excuse for this season, absolutely nothing. Its really that simple. But this is a massive, massive point which is completely ignored by almost everyone in their rush to blame (or deflect) Pardew. They're far better than they're showing at the minute, it's bloody obvious. Might not be the worldbeaters some think they are but I don't see how that matters - the point is that the teams we've put out this year could and should have brought us a lot more points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What I'm finding extremely tedious on this thread is that if you criticise Pardew for legitimate reasons (WE ARE f***ing THREE POINTS OFF RELEGATION FFS) It's turned into some sort or ridicule along the lines of "HAHAH YEAH HE TELLS TIOTE TO PLAY s***". Its boring as f*** now, and this whole he got us 5th last season thing? so what, we aren't fifth now, we are three points off relegation with a young exciting and very good team (cue the "are these players as good as we say they are). End of the day, there is no excuse for this season, absolutely nothing. Its really that simple. But this is a massive, massive point which is completely ignored by almost everyone in their rush to blame (or deflect) Pardew. They're far better than they're showing at the minute, it's bloody obvious. Might not be the worldbeaters some think they are but I don't see how that matters - the point is that the teams we've put out this year could and should have brought us a lot more points. It's certainly the best squad of players we've had in years in terms of quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 a club that should be battling for the top 4 every season. And before anyone says anything here, a couple of years ago this was different as it appeared that we were an unattractive club who players didn't want to be 100 miles of with an owner who was unwilling invest/was just going to pocket the cash etc. That simply isn't the case at all now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I would have said, half a dozen French players who are nearly all Internationals, 3 who have played Champions League and won the League title in their country. Add the rest of the squad, most of who are Internationals. If anyone thinks our place in the league is down to the players not being good enough, and not Pardew's tactics and general management. You must be mental tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 How good are the players then Disco? Worse than Southampton? Villa? Norwich? Stoke? Presumably you think we need to jettison Graham Carr too as he's the one primarily responsible for bringing them in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What I'm finding extremely tedious on this thread is that if you criticise Pardew for legitimate reasons (WE ARE f***ing THREE POINTS OFF RELEGATION FFS) It's turned into some sort or ridicule along the lines of "HAHAH YEAH HE TELLS TIOTE TO PLAY s***". Its boring as f*** now, and this whole he got us 5th last season thing? so what, we aren't fifth now, we are three points off relegation with a young exciting and very good team (cue the "are these players as good as we say they are). End of the day, there is no excuse for this season, absolutely nothing. Its really that simple. But this is a massive, massive point which is completely ignored by almost everyone in their rush to blame (or deflect) Pardew. They're far better than they're showing at the minute, it's bloody obvious. Might not be the worldbeaters some think they are but I don't see how that matters - the point is that the teams we've put out this year could and should have brought us a lot more points. It's certainly the best squad of players we've had in years. And despite that becoming a bit of a cliche on here, it's true - I've seen enough utterly shite NUFC teams over the years to know this isn't one of them. We've got quality in every position, we even have a bit of depth now and most of the backup players aren't bad. A few weak links but certainly a lot better as a squad than all of the NUFC squads I've seen finish in the bottom half of the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The squad is very unbalanced though imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The squad is very unbalanced though imo. We haven't got enough in wide positions and up front, I've seen worse situations though and we're blessed everywhere else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The squad is very unbalanced though imo. In what way? I agree with Interpolic. Certainly in the wide forward position we're lacking with Ben Arfa out. Other than that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The squad are at least top 10 material. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Back four and centre midfield are top ten, our options in last 3rd are terrible though. If Ben Arfa is fit then we look decent up there but have no viable alternative to Cisse, Sissokho not really a number 10, Marveux is not a winger, Obertan and Jonas also terrible wingers meaning we have no width Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 our options on either side of midfield are verging on pathetic. Been an issue for a few years now but we kept going and signing centre mids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Even with Ben Arfa out we have a possible front 6 from Cisse, Gouffran, Marv, Sissoko, Cabaye, Anita, Jonas, Tiote. I think someone could do something with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 our options on either side of midfield are verging on pathetic. Been an issue for a few years now but we kept going and signing centre mids. We have more than enough centre midfielders if we get the right players on flanks and in front of centre mid. If we have wingers with good movement we would look a lot better, also need a not-shola option up front to come on. Would be happy with a hard working striker with pace to put pressure on teams and close them down. Minimum required in summer are 2 wingers and striker, nice to have another centre half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The squad is very unbalanced though imo. In what way? I agree with Interpolic. Certainly in the wide forward position we're lacking with Ben Arfa out. Other than that? With the options Interpolic said. No wonder why we are struggling to score and create chances as that is where we need the most options imo. Having Shola as backup to Cisse is a farce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What I'm finding extremely tedious on this thread is that if you criticise Pardew for legitimate reasons (WE ARE FUCKING THREE POINTS OFF RELEGATION FFS) It's turned into some sort or ridicule along the lines of "HAHAH YEAH HE TELLS TIOTE TO PLAY SHIT". Its boring as fuck now, and this whole he got us 5th last season thing? so what, we aren't fifth now, we are three points off relegation with a young exciting and very good team (cue the "are these players as good as we say they are). End of the day, there is no excuse for this season, absolutely nothing. Its really that simple. It happens on both sides tbf, the difference is I can fully understand the boring hysteria of the "KILL PARDS" crew, they're just passionate about their club to the extent that it retards them. The "LEAVE PARDS ALONE" lot are baffling though, at the very least you have to accept that Pardew isn't the best man for the job and the club could be light years better off if they went with another man.t hat isn't even debatable imo, he's an average manager in charge of a club that should be battling for the top 4 every season. Since when? Not saying it shouldn't be an obvious aim, and maybe we're in a decent position to build towards having another tilt at it, but to expect that is a bit rich. Historically as a club we'd struggle to average top 8 to 10 consistently, nevermind top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatBeardo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm new here, but isn't it traditional to wait untill we actually lose before before these arguments begin again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The squad is very unbalanced though imo. In what way? I agree with Interpolic. Certainly in the wide forward position we're lacking with Ben Arfa out. Other than that? With the options Interpolic said. No wonder why we are struggling to score and create chances as that is where we need the most options imo. Having Shola as backup to Cisse is a farce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Even with Ben Arfa out we have a possible front 6 from Cisse, Gouffran, Marv, Sissoko, Cabaye, Anita, Jonas, Tiote. I think someone could do something with that. You would expect we could at least pressure teams and retain the ball with that. Not a great deal of attacking intent or ability to push forward there though, Gouffran and Marv maybe if we went 4-3-3 and drop Sissokho in with Cabaye and Tiote holding behind - slight tweak of formation but would push two wingers further forward and balance out by dropping Sissokho slightly back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What I'm finding extremely tedious on this thread is that if you criticise Pardew for legitimate reasons (WE ARE FUCKING THREE POINTS OFF RELEGATION FFS) It's turned into some sort or ridicule along the lines of "HAHAH YEAH HE TELLS TIOTE TO PLAY SHIT". Its boring as fuck now, and this whole he got us 5th last season thing? so what, we aren't fifth now, we are three points off relegation with a young exciting and very good team (cue the "are these players as good as we say they are). End of the day, there is no excuse for this season, absolutely nothing. Its really that simple. It happens on both sides tbf, the difference is I can fully understand the boring hysteria of the "KILL PARDS" crew, they're just passionate about their club to the extent that it retards them. The "LEAVE PARDS ALONE" lot are baffling though, at the very least you have to accept that Pardew isn't the best man for the job and the club could be light years better off if they went with another man.t hat isn't even debatable imo, he's an average manager in charge of a club that should be battling for the top 4 every season. Since when? Not saying it shouldn't be an obvious aim, and maybe we're in a decent position to build towards having another tilt at it, but to expect that is a bit rich. Historically as a club we'd struggle to average top 8 consistently, nevermind top 4. I don't mean finish top 4, but at least challenge. Historically we've never been there for many reasons, when we've been backed and have had a decent manager at the helm though we've nearly won the fucking league on 2 or 3 occasions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm new here, but isn't it traditional to wait untill we actually lose before before these arguments begin again? We lost 2 days ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 a club that should be battling for the top 4 every season. And before anyone says anything here, a couple of years ago this was different as it appeared that we were an unattractive club who players didn't want to be 100 miles of with an owner who was unwilling invest/was just going to pocket the cash etc. That simply isn't the case at all now. bit of a way to go before you can call us a club that should be battling for the top 4 every season with the sides all battling for it atm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Some decent passing football would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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