Cajun Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Maybe my expectations have been lowered but a stray pass in 10 sounds bloody brilliant to me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 That's 90% passing accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 That's Arteta and Britton territory in this league. Not too shabby... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Tiote averages a 90% pass completion rate. Tiote has the highest pass completion rate of any of our players. Having a high pass completion rate doesn't really matter. Especially if it's the DM in a passing side, he gets the ball the most. Having a low pass completion rate is very worrying though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 A) Tiote averages a 90% pass completion rate. B) Tiote has the highest pass completion rate of any of our players. C) Having a high pass completion rate doesn't really matter. D) Especially if it's the DM in a passing side, he gets the ball the most. E) Having a low pass completion rate is very worrying though. A) He doesn't, although he got pretty close in his first season. B) He doesn't. He was 11th/9th/4th overall last three seasons, or 6th/6th/2nd if you just want to consider players involved in 20+ games. C) Questionable, especially if you're in a team or position that revolves around keeping the ball. Depends on the context, of course. D) Surely that's an absolutely key function of a defensive midfielder in a passing side? E) 1/5 ain't bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 That was retarded, made up statistic of why Bigi is a sprinkler. Who am I? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 That was retarded, made up statistic of why Bigi is a sprinkler. Who am I? You were closer than Dropout, to be fair. Bigi made 87.2% of his passes in the league last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 When Tiote joined, I questioned his passing after only a few games and said I was concerned by it. I remember being utterly lambasted by every single person in the Tiote thread when I said this. You may all now commence your grovelling apologies. Ta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Nah-Youre-Alright.png Nah, you're alright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Passing isn't his greatest ability but his pace and strength can be lethal if used well. For e.g if we decide to be a counterattacking team like Villa we can replace Jonas by a sprinter (Ince? ) and play Gouffran just in behind Cisse. Or if he's playing as a number 10, he has to use his strength better to shield the ball and link up with wingers (not Jonas obviously ). But I think that by just playing Ben Arfa in the middle will bring out the best in him when he sprints from his own half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 A) Tiote averages a 90% pass completion rate. B) Tiote has the highest pass completion rate of any of our players. C) Having a high pass completion rate doesn't really matter. D) Especially if it's the DM in a passing side, he gets the ball the most. E) Having a low pass completion rate is very worrying though. A) He doesn't, although he got pretty close in his first season. B) He doesn't. He was 11th/9th/4th overall last three seasons, or 6th/6th/2nd if you just want to consider players involved in 20+ games. C) Questionable, especially if you're in a team or position that revolves around keeping the ball. Depends on the context, of course. D) Surely that's an absolutely key function of a defensive midfielder in a passing side? E) 1/5 ain't bad. 90% was generous. In his last 4 of his last 5 games last season he had a pass completion rate of 84-87%. Although in the other game it was 67% which is terrible. I didn't look but i'm certain that's higher than any of the other midfielders in our side except perhaps Jonas. I saw a stat somewhere that said he had the highest pass completion for us. I'd like to see evidence to the contrary. C-D is the same point. If you're the deepest midfielder of a 3 and your job is to keep it simple, you'll have a fairly high pass completion rate. Tiote manages pass completion higher than most of our players and he's not one of the better passers in our side. I'm certain Arteta has a higher pass completion rate than Pirlo but Arteta keeps it very, very simple. At 85% and above I doubt the incremental value of a higher pass completion rate visa other factors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 A genuinely attacking midfielder would help both Sissoko and Tiote, it would help re-define their roles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 A) Tiote averages a 90% pass completion rate. B) Tiote has the highest pass completion rate of any of our players. C) Having a high pass completion rate doesn't really matter. D) Especially if it's the DM in a passing side, he gets the ball the most. E) Having a low pass completion rate is very worrying though. A) He doesn't, although he got pretty close in his first season. B) He doesn't. He was 11th/9th/4th overall last three seasons, or 6th/6th/2nd if you just want to consider players involved in 20+ games. C) Questionable, especially if you're in a team or position that revolves around keeping the ball. Depends on the context, of course. D) Surely that's an absolutely key function of a defensive midfielder in a passing side? E) 1/5 ain't bad. 90% was generous. In his last 4 of his last 5 games last season he had a pass completion rate of 84-87%. Although in the other game it was 67% which is terrible. I didn't look but i'm certain that's higher than any of the other midfielders in our side except perhaps Jonas. I saw a stat somewhere that said he had the highest pass completion for us. I'd like to see evidence to the contrary. C-D is the same point. If you're the deepest midfielder of a 3 and your job is to keep it simple, you'll have a fairly high pass completion rate. Tiote manages pass completion higher than most of our players and he's not one of the better passers in our side. I'm certain Arteta has a higher pass completion rate than Pirlo but Arteta keeps it very, very simple. At 85% and above I doubt the incremental value of a higher pass completion rate visa other factors. 12/13 11/12 10/11 In terms of the closing games of last season you were spot-on with the percentages, but not at all with how it compared to others: Pass percentage versus Arsenal was behind that of every other midfielder who played bar Jonas: Here Pass percentage versus QPR behind every other midfielder: Here Pass percentage versus West Ham behind that of Gouffran and Ben Arfa: Here Pass percentage versus Liverpool behind that of Anita, Perch, Ben Arfa and Cabaye: Here Pass percentage versus Sunderland behind that of Ben Arfa and Marveaux: Here Interestingly, Jonas never had a better pass completion than Tiote in that period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It's like when Olbermann dissects O'Reilly line by line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Olbermann's the good guy, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Relatively speaking, just deconstructs O'Reilly's Right Wing rhetoric espoused as fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 You're a good guy though Rich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/l0nRSRN.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Touche you are indeed correct. I believe the stat I read about pass completion may have been the total most successful passes now. Interestingly, Tiote had a higher pass completion than any of the Arsenal midfielders including Ramsey and Arteta. Point is, pass completion can be a little misleading. Gouffran and Ben Arfa made a total of 34 passes in the WHU game. Tiote made over 50. That's rather harsh on him imo. His pass completion rate was higher than all the CM's except for Bigi (top lad) and................ Danny Gosling. Oh and Marveaux if you count him as a CM. I do love Marv's ability to keep possession and with his assists - he knows when to look for the killer ball. I'm just saying, for someone so s**** on the ball, Tiote's pass completion is decent. And it's miles better than Sissoko's who imo has a similar passing range.For all the hype about Anita, his pass completion stats are pretty poor considering what he does with the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What was Tiote's pass completion rate against Man City? If it's above 40% I'll be shocked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'm just saying, for someone so s**** on the ball, Tiote's pass completion is decent. And it's miles better than Sissoko's who imo has a similar passing range. Tiote's pass completion rate remains "OK" as a percentage because he hardly ever attempts to pass the ball more than 10 yards. However even working within these very stringent limitations, he often still has a worse pass percentage than others who try far more ambitious and attacking passes. When Tiote's passes go astray, it's a pass that offered virtually zero reward and has high risk because the opposition are getting posession right in the middle of the park. When other CMs / DMs passes go astray, it's more likely to be a penetrating pass that offers a high reward if successful, but only gives the ball to the opposition defence or goalkeeper if it fails. Sissoko is a poor comparison to Tiote. Yes, Sissoko isn't the best passer in the world but he gets lumped on the wing and wingers will invariably lose posession far more than a good DM because they're tasked explicitly with trying to create for the forwards. DMs should look to retain posession, wingers should look to create opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 What about Anita? His passing range is limited yet his pass completion is lower than Tiote's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Last season... Tiote: 24 games, 84% pass completion, 67.8% forward passes, 21 m. avg. pass length, 17 chances created, 5 avg. defensive actions, 4 avg. defensive errors, 7 yellow, 1 red Anita: 25 games, 83% pass completion, 64.1% forward passes, 20 m. avg. pass length, 34 chances created, 2 avg. defensive actions, 1 avg. defensive errors, 2 yellow, 1 red http://www.squawka.com/players/vurnon-anita#performance-score#newcastle-united-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2012/2013#2#all-matches#1-38#by-match So Anita offers more offensive opportunity and tidier, but less biting, defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 sometimes passing is dependent on actually having players that move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Tiote is on the ball far too often, while its true most of his passes find their mark problem is he gives it away close to our penalty box every game so it becomes a problem. Especially when he doesn't really get the team moving forward, for a player in that position that gets so much possession he needs to be moving the team forward. Cabaye would be good at this but we still need a winger and attacking midfielder on top of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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