Ikon Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's to early to say if they're gonna succeed or fail imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 One's a replacement for the other, who's nearly 32. And as we've discussed at a pointless length they have the same costly weakness. Of course there's no long-term future in it. Might as well say there's no long term future in the team because one guy with curly hair is nearly 32. Quit your waffling man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's to early to say if they're gonna succeed or fail imo. In what sense? They'll probably do well this season against the majority of sides if selected. Ultimately there's no long-term in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 While disagree with Ron, i wouldn't think games against Fulham, Wham and Villa are the time to judge them just yet. I wouldn't split them up yet, don't get me wrong. But anyone who thinks CB is sorted in the long-term is deluded and not very bright. I'm totally shocked as to the usually brilliant posters taking this view. I thought it was obvious to everyone that given Colo's age, we will need another CB soon enough. Obviously it would be nice to get a CB who complements MYM's weaknesses. It also seems fairly obvious that our in form CBs are Colo and MYM so stick with them for now. Surely this is not revelatory enough to need a page of posts over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's to early to say if they're gonna succeed or fail imo. In what sense? They'll probably do well this season against the majority of sides if selected. Ultimately there's no long-term in it. You're right, Colo wont play another 12 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 While disagree with Ron, i wouldn't think games against Fulham, Wham and Villa are the time to judge them just yet. I wouldn't split them up yet, don't get me wrong. But anyone who thinks CB is sorted in the long-term is deluded and not very bright. I'm totally shocked as to the usually brilliant posters taking this view. I thought it was obvious to everyone that given Colo's age, we will need another CB soon enough. Obviously it would be nice to get a CB who complements MYM's weaknesses. It also seems fairly obvious that our in form CBs are Colo and MYM so stick with them for now. Surely this is not revelatory enough to need a page of posts over? I don't get it either, man. As usual there's a few jobless little scrotes mucking around who fancy making an argument out of a basic truth that clashes with their footballing wet dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I assumed you meant long-term in football terms. Obviously in real life long-term, Colo will be replaced by Mapou and someone else will come in. But this season, next season and probably the one after we could easily play the two of them together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Disagree. Ideally you'd want a full season for Mapou to learn from Colo but beyond that we need a Douglas type in there. Something we can really rely on against all forms of attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Disagree. Ideally you'd want a full season for Mapou to learn from Colo but beyond that we need a Douglas type in there. Something we can really rely on against all forms of attack. But what would the plan be then? Drop Colo even if he's playing well... or drop Mapou until Colo falls away? I just think in the situation we're in with the personnel in question, the best answer is just to play them both for as long as they're doing a good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Stick with the best combination till we can improve on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Stick with the best combination till we can improve on it. Ah right, well we agree. Cheers for that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 One's a replacement for the other, who's nearly 32. And as we've discussed at a pointless length they have the same costly weakness. Of course there's no long-term future in it. I get what you're saying. For the time being, they form a strong partnership. But MYM was clearly brought-in to be Colo's replacement, particularly in light of Colo's issues last year. If we're looking to add another young CB in the future, which we'll inevitably have to do, it would make sense to get a more physical/aerial threat type CB to complement MYM. Disagree. Ideally you'd want a full season for Mapou to learn from Colo but beyond that we need a Douglas type in there. Something we can really rely on against all forms of attack. Okay yeah that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I agree with Ron on all he says here. Based on nothing but I reckon Colo will be homeward bound next summer and even if he doesn't, his powers have been gradually on the wane as each season passes. And a new forceful, aerially dominant centre back would be a perfect foil for Mapou. It also wasn't good, irrespective of whose job it was to mark Benteke, to witness our central defenders marking fresh air for their goal. And in the relative short term, I would want this new forceful, good in the air centre back to come in and counter that situation reoccurring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I agree with Ron on all he says here. Based on nothing but I reckon Colo will be homeward bound next summer and even if he doesn't, his powers have been gradually on the wane as each season passes. Have they? I don't think so at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 While disagree with Ron, i wouldn't think games against Fulham, Wham and Villa are the time to judge them just yet. That works either way though, in terms of writing them off. Colo's age is the thing that worries me. FWIW I don't think MYM is bad in the air If he was good he would be marking Benteke. Instead Siss was doing it who imo is not great in the air either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I agree with Ron on all he says here. Based on nothing but I reckon Colo will be homeward bound next summer and even if he doesn't, his powers have been gradually on the wane as each season passes. Have they? I don't think so at all. I do..down to his pace going I reckon. Got caught too far up the pitch at Spurs and Liverpool just off the top of my head...he's still a very good centre half just not as good as he was 2 or 3 seasons ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 While disagree with Ron, i wouldn't think games against Fulham, Wham and Villa are the time to judge them just yet. That works either way though, in terms of writing them off. Colo's age is the thing that worries me. FWIW I don't think MYM is bad in the air If he was good he would be marking Benteke. Instead Siss was doing it who imo is not great in the air either. Like he marked him basically the entire game from open play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Tbf its easier to deal with players like Benteke in open play than it is at set pieces.... if i recall correctly he didn't do much last season from open play either. But in any case Mapou and Colo's performance against Benteke was encouraging, you won't find many more dominating forwards in the league and they marshalled him extremely well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I agree with Ron on all he says here. Based on nothing but I reckon Colo will be homeward bound next summer and even if he doesn't, his powers have been gradually on the wane as each season passes. Have they? I don't think so at all. I do..down to his pace going I reckon. Got caught too far up the pitch at Spurs and Liverpool just off the top of my head...he's still a very good centre half just not as good as he was 2 or 3 seasons ago. He's never been remotely quick on the ground since he's been here. The way he plays is about being quick mentally rather than physically. Reading the game and cutting an attack off early and using his skill on the ball to smuggle it away and keep possession. His lack of pace usually doesnt cause a problem because of his intelligence, but of course its inevitable that it'll get exploited sometimes. Because of the way he plays I dont see why he cant play well into his 30's either, at least he now has pace next to him in Yanga Mbiwa as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I agree he's about reading the game but slowing up will still hurt him, he'll get tired sooner and pick up more injuries, that said reckon we may get 2 seasons out of him not just one more but we should be succession planning now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I agree with Ron on all he says here. Based on nothing but I reckon Colo will be homeward bound next summer and even if he doesn't, his powers have been gradually on the wane as each season passes. Have they? I don't think so at all. I do..down to his pace going I reckon. Got caught too far up the pitch at Spurs and Liverpool just off the top of my head...he's still a very good centre half just not as good as he was 2 or 3 seasons ago. When did Coloccini ever have pace though? The way he plays is about being quick mentally rather than physically. Reading the game and cutting an attack off early and using his skill on the ball to smuggle it away and keep possession. Always has been since he's been here, pace has always been a weakness of his but it usually doesnt cause a problem because of his intelligence. Because of the way he plays I dont see why he cant play well into his 30's, at least he now has pace next to him in Yanga Mbiwa as well. Maybe his quickness of mind is going then. All I know is that last season he was caught out more than previous seasons. And it's fair to put it down to age. I'm not saying replace him now and neither is anyone, it's just that we should be pursuing his successor sooner rather than later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I agree he's about reading the game but slowing up will still hurt him, he'll get tired sooner and pick up more injuries, that said reckon we may get 2 seasons out of him not just one more but we should be succession planning now Does anyone know how Curtis Good is performing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Last season the entire team struggled, he was out of the side for a while and there was also the whole controversy of him wantng to leave. I just cant agree to assuming age was the reason for a lesser performance from him last season. Hope you're joking about his mental quickness going BTW, you're making him sound like a grandad here, he's 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Last season the entire team struggled, he was out of the side for a while and there was also the whole controversy of him wantng to leave. I just cant agree to assuming age was the reason for a lesser performance from him last season. Hope you're joking about his mental quickness going BTW, you're making him sound like a grandad here, he's 31 Aye, Alzheimer's is the reason No I just think as each season passes he's made more mistakes. The Championship season and the first one back , he was immense, and I just reckon since then he's not been as consistently good, week in week out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 People have mentioned about how Colo is helping MYM, but i think the same is the case vice versa. Colo has someone alongside him with a lot of speed, but not only that he's a lot more intelligent than Taylor or Williamson as well as his positional sense being a lot better. That can only help Colo as he moves into his latter years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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