Optimistic Nut Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 It's beyond tactics/organisation now. We need someone the players will respond to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 It's beyond tactics/organisation now. We need someone the players will respond to. Yes . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I don't know but my gut feeling is that we'd flop with Moyes. I don't think he would command the respect that is needed. At least not from our players. He just doesn't seem to have the charisma/personality which i think is needed. Totally agree. Though can see the argument in terms of solidity/organisation. He's not going to have the charisma required in the long term though. Yeah I can see that. That's why I'd definitely prefer a Keegan/Klopp etc kind of character - someone with a bit gravitas who the players actually respect. Me too but name one...... The problem with those personalities though is that they don't take commands off arseholes like Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 De Boer or Rodgers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 People would take Rodgers over Moyes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'm not sure Rodgers would be the answer at the moment. With the way morale is I could see it being like watching us up to the Stoke game at x2 pace. In my opinion we need an old head on a short term basis to improve the mood and then start again in the summer. Rodgers might be ideal then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I don't know but my gut feeling is that we'd flop with Moyes. I don't think he would command the respect that is needed. At least not from our players. He just doesn't seem to have the charisma/personality which i think is needed. Totally agree. Though can see the argument in terms of solidity/organisation. He's not going to have the charisma required in the long term though. Yeah I can see that. That's why I'd definitely prefer a Keegan/Klopp etc kind of character - someone with a bit gravitas who the players actually respect. Me too but name one...... The problem with those personalities though is that they don't take commands off arseholes like Ashley. Bielsa definitely. Don't know enough about him - but I assume Jemez would fall into that camp potentially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Charisma doesn't organise a defence. Moyes does. while I agree I'm not sure how much even organisation can cover for the fact colo is well past his peak, mbemba is adapting to a new league janmaat can't defend and we have no senior left back worth mentioning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Poll reset Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Charisma doesn't organise a defence. Moyes does. while I agree I'm not sure how much even organisation can cover for the fact colo is well past his peak, mbemba is adapting to a new league janmaat can't defend and we have no senior left back worth mentioning Well, the point in change soon would be to allow the new manager to have input on who comes in in January too and Moyes would know what is needed. One thing he's always been able to put out is a team that can physically compete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Nuno Espírito Santo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Charisma doesn't organise a defence. Moyes does. while I agree I'm not sure how much even organisation can cover for the fact colo is well past his peak, mbemba is adapting to a new league janmaat can't defend and we have no senior left back worth mentioning Well, the point in change soon would be to allow the new manager to have input on who comes in in January too and Moyes would know what is needed. One thing he's always been able to put out is a team that can physically compete. It's quite funny though. Do you really need to hire an old fashioned manager to do that? Just buy a couple of decent big centre backs and centre midfielders who aren't slow paced midgets. Suddenly the likes of Allardyce are being reinvented as wise old heads simply because they know how to not get relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 We need someone inspirational who the players respect. Because of this, I'd rather we risk a Seedorf than Moyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Still think an old hand like Juande Ramos would be a good appointment. Not that it matters right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Bit of a myth Moyes not ever having money to spend at Everton. Plus Ashley makes Kenwright look like Abramovich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Bit of a myth Moyes not ever having money to spend at Everton. Plus Ashley makes Kenwright look like Abramovich. Quick Google says an average net spend of £803,000 per season while Moyes was there, and wasn't there a period of about 2 years where they didn't buy a single player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Bit of a myth Moyes not ever having money to spend at Everton. Plus Ashley makes Kenwright look like Abramovich. He spent next to nowt overall like, don't think it's a myth unless my memory's failing me. They went 2-3 years without spending any money on a permanent transfer at one point. There was the odd splurge on the likes of Fellaini but that was generally offset with huge fees for the likes of Rooney, Lescott, etc every year or 2. The best estimate I could find was a net spend of £5.6m over 11 years, which is absolutely nowt compared to the sides he was consistently finishing around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Bit of a myth Moyes not ever having money to spend at Everton. Plus Ashley makes Kenwright look like Abramovich. Obviously Kenwright cares about the club a lot more but in terms of money spent I wouldn't imagine Kenwright is any better than Ashley in that side overall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Bit of a myth Moyes not ever having money to spend at Everton. Plus Ashley makes Kenwright look like Abramovich. He spent next to nowt overall like, don't think it's a myth unless my memory's failing me. They went 2-3 years without spending any money on a permanent transfer at one point. There was the odd splurge on the likes of Fellaini but that was generally offset with huge fees for the likes of Rooney, Lescott, etc every year or 2. The best estimate I could find was a net spend of £5.6m over 11 years, which is absolutely nowt compared to the sides he was consistently finishing around. That's amazing like given they were a good side for most of that time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Aye, they bought players like Lescott, Cahill and Jagielka for pennies and made huge money on Rooney etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/harry-redknapp-frame-take-over-6923418 'Arry FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Oh god Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'd take him. We're not in too dissimilar position as Spurs were after Ramos. I know QPR was a disaster but in terms of who's out there that would come here under Ashley, he's probably our best option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Would be an absolutely terrible choice. Would take no responsibility whatsoever while taking us down then shuttling off with his big pay-off and media darling reputation left pretty much intact. That said, you can't rule it out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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