Alan Pardew

[Guest icemanblue]

Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance.

 

Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season?

 

Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us.

 

Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud.

 

When were we in 'free fall' last season, like?

 

Can you not remember Pards' charity skydive?

 

I can't. But, I bet his chosen charity saw none of that sponsorship, the horrible cunt.

[Guest icemanblue]

Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance.

 

Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season?

 

Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us.

 

Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud.

 

When were we in 'free fall' last season, like?

 

??

 

Check out our fixtures. After our 13 game unbeaten run or how many games it now was, we only won one out of the next 8.

 

1 win in 8 is free fall? What position did we fall to? I'm not checking our results, because it's you that's brought it up. I'd expect you to back it up.

 

Love the way you casually dismiss a 13 game unbeaten run.

[The College Dropout]

Stability. It's tricky. SBR had a few poor seasons at the start of his reign, but we persevered. Because he was Bobby Robson. In five years time Pardew is still gonna be Alan Pardew.

 

We improved league position. Finished 11th twice. Apart from his 3 top 5 finishes. We've only been higher than 11th twice.

 

In what time frame? We've finished in the Premier League top half 9 times I think.

 

Obviously since SBR took over.

 

Oh. The 9 seasons since he left. We've finished higher than 11th.... twice. Including one relegation.

[alexf]

Pretty sure there were a fair few that backed Souness right to the end? Pardew, like all managers will always have people giving them the benefit of the doubt. Particularly after our highest finish for quite some time last season. I've come to accept that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're wrong but I accept their opinion

[Flip]

Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance.

 

Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season?

 

Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us.

 

Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud.

 

When were we in 'free fall' last season, like?

 

??

 

Check out our fixtures. After our 13 game unbeaten run or how many games it now was, we only won one out of the next 8.

 

1 win in 8 is free fall? What position did we fall to? I'm not checking our results, because it's you that's brought it up. I'd expect you to back it up.

 

Love the way you casually dismiss a 13 game unbeaten run.

 

Inochi man read the original post before coming with such stupid comments. I said I criticized his ability to change as soon as the circumstances started changing. I'm not dismissing that beginning of the season, however is inability to adapt to the team gathering injuries and inability to beat teams except some individual brilliance was a big worry last season.

 

As for me backing up for my arguments here we go, you tell if you find it acceptable:

 

5p out of 24p right after the unbeaten run, and then if you extend until Ben Arfa seriously got into the team it was 19p out of 51p. Now, is that acceptable? Is that not a free fall considering we picked up 24p out of 33p ?

[Flip]

And in terms of free fall I was speaking of results and not table, have no idea what table positions we had last season btw.

[Guest icemanblue]

Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance.

 

Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season?

 

Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us.

 

Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud.

 

When were we in 'free fall' last season, like?

 

??

 

Check out our fixtures. After our 13 game unbeaten run or how many games it now was, we only won one out of the next 8.

 

1 win in 8 is free fall? What position did we fall to? I'm not checking our results, because it's you that's brought it up. I'd expect you to back it up.

 

Love the way you casually dismiss a 13 game unbeaten run.

 

Inochi man read the original post before coming with such stupid comments. I said I criticized his ability to change as soon as the circumstances started changing. I'm not dismissing that beginning of the season, however is inability to adapt to the team gathering injuries and inability to beat teams except some individual brilliance was a big worry last season.

 

As for me backing up for my arguments here we go, you tell if you find it acceptable:

 

5p out of 24p right after the unbeaten run, and then if you extend until Ben Arfa seriously got into the team it was 19p out of 51p. Now, is that acceptable? Is that not a free fall considering we picked up 24p out of 33p ?

 

Stupid comments. I'm picking holes in your arguments again, man. It's easy to do, because you just wade right in without even thinking about what you're typing.

 

24 points out of 33 is nigh on league winning form, I really doubt we were going to be able to maintain that over a season. Especially with Pardew in charge, if you like? During our period of 'free fall', were we ever outside the top 8? You go on to say that he's never shown himself capable of being a successful manager here. Is 5th place not relatively successful for us? No, it wasn't pretty and, no, it obviously wasn't sustainable. But not successful?

 

There are plenty of arguments against his abilities, so there's really no need to the revisionist history in your post.

[Flip]

Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance.

 

Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season?

 

Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us.

 

Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud.

 

When were we in 'free fall' last season, like?

 

??

 

Check out our fixtures. After our 13 game unbeaten run or how many games it now was, we only won one out of the next 8.

 

1 win in 8 is free fall? What position did we fall to? I'm not checking our results, because it's you that's brought it up. I'd expect you to back it up.

 

Love the way you casually dismiss a 13 game unbeaten run.

 

Inochi man read the original post before coming with such stupid comments. I said I criticized his ability to change as soon as the circumstances started changing. I'm not dismissing that beginning of the season, however is inability to adapt to the team gathering injuries and inability to beat teams except some individual brilliance was a big worry last season.

 

As for me backing up for my arguments here we go, you tell if you find it acceptable:

 

5p out of 24p right after the unbeaten run, and then if you extend until Ben Arfa seriously got into the team it was 19p out of 51p. Now, is that acceptable? Is that not a free fall considering we picked up 24p out of 33p ?

 

Stupid comments. I'm picking holes in your arguments again, man. It's easy to do, because you just wade right in without even thinking about what you're typing.

 

24 points out of 33 is nigh on league winning form, I really doubt we were going to be able to maintain that over a season. Especially with Pardew in charge, if you like? During our period of 'free fall', were we ever outside the top 8? You go on to say that he's never shown himself capable of being a successful manager here. Is 5th place not relatively successful for us? No, it wasn't pretty and, no, it obviously wasn't sustainable. But not successful?

 

There are plenty of arguments against his abilities, so there's really no need to the revisionist history in your post.

 

Picking holes in my arguments?  You went on to type something without even looking at the original post, you once again proved that you try to ''win'' arguments on here rather than provide arguments and have a discussion. This isn't a race and I'm not trying to win an argument with you, because with the incompetence and douche approach you use it's impossible to argue. If you tried to have a decent discussion not only would the atmosphere be a lot better but also more pleasant for everyone else who aren't part of the discussion.

 

Just to type it out a last time so you get it since you again disregarded from my main point which was that as soon as injuries started hitting he was incapable of maintaining some type of respected results and that had it not been for Ben Arfa we wouldn't have finished 5th, we could have easily slipped down the table even more, hence me calling it a freefall. I never expected us to maintain the same level, but I think the fact that we took 19p out of 51p shows that we just weren't good enough for big parts last season. 19p out of 51p is close to relegation form if you think about it. With that said I don't believe Pardew was successful last season, and I think for big parts the table didn't speak it's true words to our performances last season. I know many are happy to just look at results, but I am not, this is why I posted MY OPINION, not YOURS.

 

I can easily see the other side of things, but I don't agree with it, I won't lynch someone for it though, or try to be all hot stuff on here btw. Like I said, it's MY opinion, not yours but I also understand your way of things as it's been proven time and time again by other posters on here that it's hard to maintain a discussion with you.

[Guest icemanblue]

Well, that's all a bit much, but at least it's still light outside. Progress.

 

I couldn't agree less with your 'main point', but my issue was with what you used to support it, and I made that pretty clear. I maintain that this consistent revising of history does no ones arguments against him any good whatsoever. I'll not pick out what I don't agree with in that last post as it's all getting a bit heated, and it's there for all to see.

[Benwell Lad]

Now some are reasoning that he shouldn't get more time (like Fergy once did) because he didn't win anything before he came here.

You mean like what Dalglish, Gullit and Souness had ? 

 

Personally I'm not sure where I stand regarding his departure. The way some are clamouring for his head instantly you'd think Mourinho or AVB was waiting in the wings to come in, but the reality is that we'll most likely just stumble into another appointment which will split the fans. Let's face it apart from Keegan and SBR no one has had great support from the fans for very long.

 

On reflection I think I'd give him until the end of the season and possibly the begining of next season with a firm understanding that if there is not a significant upturn in both results and performance levels then it's curtains.

[TaylorJ_01]

By golly, I can't even fathom how some people could want to give him more time.

[Dr Venkman]

Telling him to do the job isn't going to make him able to do it.

[Dr Venkman]

Now some are reasoning that he shouldn't get more time (like Fergy once did) because he didn't win anything before he came here.

You mean like what Dalglish, Gullit and Souness had ? 

 

Personally I'm not sure where I stand regarding his departure. The way some are clamouring for his head instantly you'd think Mourinho or AVB was waiting in the wings to come in, but the reality is that we'll most likely just stumble into another appointment which will split the fans. Let's face it apart from Keegan and SBR no one has had great support from the fans for very long.

 

On reflection I think I'd give him until the end of the season and possibly the begining of next season with a firm understanding that if there is not a significant upturn in both results and performance levels then it's curtains.

 

You might think that, or you might think it was because we're really, really close to getting fucking relegated.

[heero]

Can't help the shit we are in, not all pardew's fault. We should offer him to everton, hahhaha

I just want this season to end and start again next season.

[Hanshithispantz]

The only reason I can fathom for anyone wanting him to stay is that they've formed some sort of bond with the man.

[Guest bimpy474]

Haha i'm out

[Yorkie]

The only reason I can fathom for anyone wanting him to stay is that they've formed some sort of bond with the man.

 

He's still in credit from last season's performance - that's my reasoning for it. Just the bog standard "but we finished 5th last season."

 

It was - pretty much - my view until it became as clear as crystal that he was a bag of wank.

 

Was thinking about it again today. Reading 1-2 (h). 0-3 Sunderland (h). 0-6 Liverpool (h). Has there been a triumvirate of more disgusting results in one season? I can't even think of three stand-out ones from the relegation season that would rival that trio. That's without even mentioning the home defeats to West Ham and Swansea which, although pretty awful, weren't anywhere near as bad.

 

Nowt new in this post but sometimes, when you sit back and look at it. How anyone can advocate keeping him after this season, it beggars belief.

[TRC]

I'd give him more time if there were reasons outside his control for us being fucking shite. But Cisse right wing, Sissoko as a number 10 and Cabaye as a borderline sweeper. Its basic stuff and he's been doing it for a year.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Now some are reasoning that he shouldn't get more time (like Fergy once did) because he didn't win anything before he came here.

You mean like what Dalglish, Gullit and Souness had ? 

 

Personally I'm not sure where I stand regarding his departure. The way some are clamouring for his head instantly you'd think Mourinho or AVB was waiting in the wings to come in, but the reality is that we'll most likely just stumble into another appointment which will split the fans. Let's face it apart from Keegan and SBR no one has had great support from the fans for very long.

 

On reflection I think I'd give him until the end of the season and possibly the begining of next season with a firm understanding that if there is not a significant upturn in both results and performance levels then it's curtains.

 

You might think that, or you might think it was because we're really, really close to getting f***ing relegated.

 

[Yorkie]

Now some are reasoning that he shouldn't get more time (like Fergy once did) because he didn't win anything before he came here.

You mean like what Dalglish, Gullit and Souness had ? 

 

Personally I'm not sure where I stand regarding his departure. The way some are clamouring for his head instantly you'd think Mourinho or AVB was waiting in the wings to come in, but the reality is that we'll most likely just stumble into another appointment which will split the fans. Let's face it apart from Keegan and SBR no one has had great support from the fans for very long.

 

On reflection I think I'd give him until the end of the season and possibly the begining of next season with a firm understanding that if there is not a significant upturn in both results and performance levels then it's curtains.

 

That might as well be one of my posts from February.

 

Point A: if we sacked him, I still don't think we'd get the right man. Point B: we should give him until Christmas-ish.

 

It's too late for any of that now. He's taken one of the best squads I can remember to the very cusp of relegation. Persisting with him until Christmas, where we won't have improved but we will have spent more money... it's just pointless. He needs replacing.

[TRC]

Exactly, none of us are asking for a world class manager, just someone who understand the basic concept of football would do.

[Mole_Toonfan]

There's one key difference between Ashley's previous managerial appointments and future ones.... Graham Carr.

 

He finally has someone who has contacts in the game and who understands the game to take advice from.

 

For this reason i'm not worried at all and why i want him out as soon as the as as the final whistle blows against Arsenal and a search conducted for a replacement ASAP.

 

 

[Flip]

There's one key difference between Ashley's previous managerial appointments and future ones.... Graham Carr.

 

He finally has someone who has contacts in the game and who understands the game to take advice from.

 

For this reason i'm not worried at all and why i want him out as soon as the as as the final whistle blows against Arsenal and a search conducted for a replacement ASAP.

 

 

[Guest bimpy474]

He works hard though.

[Benwell Lad]

Now some are reasoning that he shouldn't get more time (like Fergy once did) because he didn't win anything before he came here.

You mean like what Dalglish, Gullit and Souness had ? 

 

Personally I'm not sure where I stand regarding his departure. The way some are clamouring for his head instantly you'd think Mourinho or AVB was waiting in the wings to come in, but the reality is that we'll most likely just stumble into another appointment which will split the fans. Let's face it apart from Keegan and SBR no one has had great support from the fans for very long.

 

On reflection I think I'd give him until the end of the season and possibly the begining of next season with a firm understanding that if there is not a significant upturn in both results and performance levels then it's curtains.

 

That might as well be one of my posts from February.

 

Point A: if we sacked him, I still don't think we'd get the right man. Point B: we should give him until Christmas-ish.

 

It's too late for any of that now. He's taken one of the best squads I can remember to the very cusp of relegation. Persisting with him until Christmas, where we won't have improved but we will have spent more money... it's just pointless. He needs replacing.

 

Not really, main point is that they will not fire him until a replacement is lined up, and not knowing which division we'll be playing in next season  makes that very difficult.

May be that they're working on a replacement already with contingincies in case the worst should happen.