Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 What makes you think Ashley wouldn't offer a better manager a better salary? The evidence of every appointment he has made previously, the 8 year contract he gave this no-mark and the story this morning that he will be here next year....despite several better manager leaving their current jobs or being available following relegation. Apart from that why are you confident Ashley has the ambition to bring in a proven manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy with my small cock but I'm not going to chop the fucker off either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy with my small cock but I'm not going to chop the f***er off either. That's your problem tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times have changed since Ashley's last managerial appointment. Back then, Hughton was having to make do with the squad he'd brought up from the Championship with almost no investment. Fast forward and now we're buying classy internationals worth good money. I don't see the logic in swearing blind that Ashley will always be happy to give international players to a manager he dredged out of League One, and get no on-pitch return and subsequently less financial return. That may well be the case but I'm willing to take my chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy with my small cock but I'm not going to chop the f***er off either. Tbf you can't replace your cock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning_Linguist Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hmmm Torn on this... Really unhappy about the season we have had and the shocking football that I have seen BUT as someone said on FB, If Everton had got rid of Moyes after his Second season I doubt very much that they would be in the premiership now. I want to blame Europa for the poor season but really don't think thats enough, I think we should give Pards until January... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I'm still holding out hope until there is some form of official statement saying he is staying. Silence is still a positive for me at this moment as there is still a chance they are considering a replacement. (ignoring the chronicle for the time being as there is no substance) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times have changed since Ashley's last managerial appointment. Back then, Hughton was having to make do with the squad he'd brought up from the Championship with almost no investment. Fast forward and now we're buying classy internationals worth good money. I don't see the logic in swearing blind that Ashley will always be happy to give international players to a manager he dredged out of League One, and get no on-pitch return and subsequently less financial return. That may well be the case but I'm willing to take my chances. It does seem unlikely that Ashley would be willing to risk the value of the players we have bought through underachievement if he regards Pardew as being the main reason for our poor performance. It would fly in the face of everything we think we know about Ashley. I can see him persisting with his heaviliy incentive-based managerial contracts though and that will unfortunately limit who we can attract I suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hmmm Torn on this... Really unhappy about the season we have had and the shocking football that I have seen BUT as someone said on FB, If Everton had got rid of Moyes after his Second season I doubt very much that they would be in the premiership now. I want to blame Europa for the poor season but really don't think thats enough, I think we should give Pards until January... Was Moyes getting sacked by lower league clubs before going to Everton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Amazing that there's till people out there prepared to give him time. It's Discovery Science material if you ask me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times have changed since Ashley's last managerial appointment. Back then, Hughton was having to make do with the squad he'd brought up from the Championship with almost no investment. Fast forward and now we're buying classy internationals worth good money. I don't see the logic in swearing blind that Ashley will always be happy to give international players to a manager he dredged out of League One. That may well be the case but I'm willing to take my chances. Times haven't changed at all. We're in the same league position and we're more worried about relegation. We sold our best striker weeks after Pardew was appointed rather than offer him an improved deal, we sold our best striker in January rather than offer him an improved deal. We've never spent any more than £5m in any summer transfer window under Ashley since 2007. We've a net spent of £10m or thereabouts in each of the last 2 winter windows on bringing in 6 players. We buy players with resale value...who we can tie up on contracts and get a return on whenever we decide to let them go. We do not throw millions at managers that provide no compensation whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Good to see that although as expected Pardew will be staying that he is bringing another coach over the summer. Well overdue but hopefully its somebody with some tactical ability rather than yet another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy with my small cock but I'm not going to chop the f***er off either. Tbf you can't replace your cock. That's the point of the analogy. I've as much faith in Ashley bringing in better than i have of my cock growing back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Good to see that although as expected Pardew will be staying that he is bringing another coach over the summer. Well overdue but hopefully its somebody with some tactical ability rather than yet another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. It will be another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times haven't changed? Three years ago when we came up, our central midfield was Nolan and Smith, now it's two regular French internationals. Give over man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Good to see that although as expected Pardew will be staying that he is bringing another coach over the summer. Well overdue but hopefully its somebody with some tactical ability rather than yet another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. It will be another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. Yeah it will be less Malky Mackay or Chris Powell and more Andy Melville or Don Hutchison Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times haven't changed? Three years ago when we came up, our central midfield was Nolan and Smith, now it's two regular French internationals. Give over man. We appointed Pardew at a time he had internationals like Ben Arfa, Tiote, Coloccini, Carroll, Gutierrez etc. By the same token we still have Perch, Simpson, Williamson, and Taylor in our top 11 starters for the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times haven't changed? Three years ago when we came up, our central midfield was Nolan and Smith, now it's two regular French internationals. Give over man. We appointed Pardew at a time he had internationals like Ben Arfa, Tiote, Coloccini, Carroll, Gutierrez etc. By the same token we still have Perch, Simpson, Williamson, and Taylor in our top 11 starters for the season. We had them along with Nolan, Smith & Barton though so it's a bit of a moot point. Ben Arfa's leg was in 2 at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 If Ashley and co have the same ambition as Pardew we are well and truly f***ed as a football club ,our good players will be sold i.e Krul ,HBA,Cabaye to get maximum profit now.The players will not be happy with Pardews comments imho or they simply dont care and want to pick up a wage We finished 5th last year and the extent of Ashley's ambition meant that the best player brought in was Vurnon Anita, not even a first teamer a year later. If Ashley is not swayed by a 5th place finish then there's not a great deal more Pardew could do to push for improvement. It was only the threat of relegation that forced Ashley to put his hand in his pocket in January......and even then he's happy to have Shola Ameobi as the second best dedicated striker at the club. Is Gouffran not a striker like? "dedicated" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 ...and Nolan has scored more goals for West Ham this year than any of our French internationals have managed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I'm not defending Mike Ashley, I simply don't share your belief that he's willing to see players drop in value due to mismanagement. Our transfer policy is completely different now. Trying to deny that is ludicrous. When we came up I wouldn't have expected him to buy Cisse or MYM or Santon or Debuchy. Things have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times haven't changed? Three years ago when we came up, our central midfield was Nolan and Smith, now it's two regular French internationals. Give over man. We appointed Pardew at a time he had internationals like Ben Arfa, Tiote, Coloccini, Carroll, Gutierrez etc. By the same token we still have Perch, Simpson, Williamson, and Taylor in our top 11 starters for the season. We had them along with Nolan, Smith & Barton though so it's a bit of a moot point. Ben Arfa's leg was in 2 at the time. The argument is who Ashley deems fit to manage his international players. Whey Coloccini and Ben Arfa cost more than Cabaye and Sissoko, so I fail to see why appointing Pardew then was any less of a deriliction of those players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 If Ashley and co have the same ambition as Pardew we are well and truly f***ed as a football club ,our good players will be sold i.e Krul ,HBA,Cabaye to get maximum profit now.The players will not be happy with Pardews comments imho or they simply dont care and want to pick up a wage We finished 5th last year and the extent of Ashley's ambition meant that the best player brought in was Vurnon Anita, not even a first teamer a year later. If Ashley is not swayed by a 5th place finish then there's not a great deal more Pardew could do to push for improvement. It was only the threat of relegation that forced Ashley to put his hand in his pocket in January......and even then he's happy to have Shola Ameobi as the second best dedicated striker at the club. Is Gouffran not a striker like? "dedicated" I don't see him as an out and out striker. Spends lots of time on the wing. His strike rate is very poor for a "dedicated" striker if you see him as that. Certainly no replacement for Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 If Ashley and co have the same ambition as Pardew we are well and truly f***ed as a football club ,our good players will be sold i.e Krul ,HBA,Cabaye to get maximum profit now.The players will not be happy with Pardews comments imho or they simply dont care and want to pick up a wage We finished 5th last year and the extent of Ashley's ambition meant that the best player brought in was Vurnon Anita, not even a first teamer a year later. If Ashley is not swayed by a 5th place finish then there's not a great deal more Pardew could do to push for improvement. It was only the threat of relegation that forced Ashley to put his hand in his pocket in January......and even then he's happy to have Shola Ameobi as the second best dedicated striker at the club. Is Gouffran not a striker like? "dedicated" I don't see him as an out and out striker. Spends lots of time on the wing. His strike rate is very poor for a "dedicated" striker if you see him as that. Certainly no replacement for Ba. I was under the impression that his record in the season or so before joining he'd been playing up front and scoring regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Scored way more goals from the left wing for us than Ba ever managed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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