TRC Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Id rather have a mid table manager than relegation fodder. Ashley fucked up with Kinnear but that was his only mistake IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Do you think he coaches the team to attack dangerously? No Is he able to maintain a well drilled defensive structure? The first 11 games of last season suggest that he is able to drill a settled back 4 to work together and be hard to break down. We had the best defence in the league at that point. This season too, we only lost 2 of the first 10 games. Chelsea and man U the only teams good enough to take 3 points. Up to that point (when Coloccini got himself a straight red and a 3 match ban) we'd conceded the same as Man U. Is he able to do both of the above at the same time? No Do you think he keeps the players fit enough? Our uninjured players seem fit enough. We've scored more last minute winners than in anyu other season I remember. Do you think he sends the players out positively, and with confidence? No Do you like his ability to change a game? No, he has little to no options from the bench to change a game...but he is also tactically flawed. Do you think he sets the team up well from the start? Apart from the odd occasion, like playing Perch and Tiote in the middle. Do you like the style of football he employs? No Does he get the best out of his players? No Do you think players have improved significantly under his coaching? If so, which ones? Taylor has had a couple of his better seasons. Perch has been transformed into a cult hero. Do you think his tactics are sensible? Rarely Does he get the best out of his squad i.e. do you think he’s able to work well when players are injured or suspended? No Given that he doesn't have a massive say in who we sign, do you think his football is the right football for the type of players we purchase? No Are you excited by the prospect of an NUFC led by Pardew into next season? No Now my questions for you. What makes you think Mike Ashley has the wherewithal to bring in a manager who, with a neutral budget and one of the lowest salries in the league, can challenge for anything more than mid-table season after season? Surely you need to be asking yourself why you're happy to stick with a manager who by your own admission: Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 People are perfectly entitled to their opinion but it'd be nice to hear some reasoning behind why next season would be more like last and less like this. Other than pure chance of course. A fully fit Krul & HBA is worth about 10 points a season alone imo. If he's lucky and they stay fit I'd imagine we'll stumble to around 50 points. Plus I reckon Cisse will get an extra half dozen goals. Nothing of Pardew's doing but players alone will get us around the upper mid-table mark. i don't think next season will be as bad, however if cabs & hba etc. are dead set against playing for this joker again next season and start demanding moves i think they might can pardew in favour of keeping a group of players together that they've worked very hard to acquire...it's probably our best hope also hoping that if he's been told he's in the job it's simply to keep his mouth shut in the press while they search for a replacement Did you read his post game comments? He seemed incredibly positive about next season at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 What makes you think Ashley wouldn't offer a better manager a better salary? The evidence of every appointment he has made previously, the 8 year contract he gave this no-mark and the story this morning that he will be here next year....despite several better manager leaving their current jobs or being available following relegation. Apart from that why are you confident Ashley has the ambition to bring in a proven manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy with my small cock but I'm not going to chop the fucker off either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy with my small cock but I'm not going to chop the f***er off either. That's your problem tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times have changed since Ashley's last managerial appointment. Back then, Hughton was having to make do with the squad he'd brought up from the Championship with almost no investment. Fast forward and now we're buying classy internationals worth good money. I don't see the logic in swearing blind that Ashley will always be happy to give international players to a manager he dredged out of League One, and get no on-pitch return and subsequently less financial return. That may well be the case but I'm willing to take my chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy with my small cock but I'm not going to chop the f***er off either. Tbf you can't replace your cock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning_Linguist Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hmmm Torn on this... Really unhappy about the season we have had and the shocking football that I have seen BUT as someone said on FB, If Everton had got rid of Moyes after his Second season I doubt very much that they would be in the premiership now. I want to blame Europa for the poor season but really don't think thats enough, I think we should give Pards until January... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I'm still holding out hope until there is some form of official statement saying he is staying. Silence is still a positive for me at this moment as there is still a chance they are considering a replacement. (ignoring the chronicle for the time being as there is no substance) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times have changed since Ashley's last managerial appointment. Back then, Hughton was having to make do with the squad he'd brought up from the Championship with almost no investment. Fast forward and now we're buying classy internationals worth good money. I don't see the logic in swearing blind that Ashley will always be happy to give international players to a manager he dredged out of League One, and get no on-pitch return and subsequently less financial return. That may well be the case but I'm willing to take my chances. It does seem unlikely that Ashley would be willing to risk the value of the players we have bought through underachievement if he regards Pardew as being the main reason for our poor performance. It would fly in the face of everything we think we know about Ashley. I can see him persisting with his heaviliy incentive-based managerial contracts though and that will unfortunately limit who we can attract I suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hmmm Torn on this... Really unhappy about the season we have had and the shocking football that I have seen BUT as someone said on FB, If Everton had got rid of Moyes after his Second season I doubt very much that they would be in the premiership now. I want to blame Europa for the poor season but really don't think thats enough, I think we should give Pards until January... Was Moyes getting sacked by lower league clubs before going to Everton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Amazing that there's till people out there prepared to give him time. It's Discovery Science material if you ask me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times have changed since Ashley's last managerial appointment. Back then, Hughton was having to make do with the squad he'd brought up from the Championship with almost no investment. Fast forward and now we're buying classy internationals worth good money. I don't see the logic in swearing blind that Ashley will always be happy to give international players to a manager he dredged out of League One. That may well be the case but I'm willing to take my chances. Times haven't changed at all. We're in the same league position and we're more worried about relegation. We sold our best striker weeks after Pardew was appointed rather than offer him an improved deal, we sold our best striker in January rather than offer him an improved deal. We've never spent any more than £5m in any summer transfer window under Ashley since 2007. We've a net spent of £10m or thereabouts in each of the last 2 winter windows on bringing in 6 players. We buy players with resale value...who we can tie up on contracts and get a return on whenever we decide to let them go. We do not throw millions at managers that provide no compensation whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Good to see that although as expected Pardew will be staying that he is bringing another coach over the summer. Well overdue but hopefully its somebody with some tactical ability rather than yet another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Doesn't coach the team to attack dangerously. Doesn't send the players out positively or with confidence. Is tactically flawed. Cannot change the flow if a game. Doesn't get the best out of his team (the starting XI and the squad as a whole). Isn't right for the type of players that we are keen on purchasing. Doesn't fill you with excitement going into next season. I'm not happy with it. I'm not happy with my small cock but I'm not going to chop the f***er off either. Tbf you can't replace your cock. That's the point of the analogy. I've as much faith in Ashley bringing in better than i have of my cock growing back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Good to see that although as expected Pardew will be staying that he is bringing another coach over the summer. Well overdue but hopefully its somebody with some tactical ability rather than yet another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. It will be another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times haven't changed? Three years ago when we came up, our central midfield was Nolan and Smith, now it's two regular French internationals. Give over man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Good to see that although as expected Pardew will be staying that he is bringing another coach over the summer. Well overdue but hopefully its somebody with some tactical ability rather than yet another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. It will be another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. Yeah it will be less Malky Mackay or Chris Powell and more Andy Melville or Don Hutchison Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times haven't changed? Three years ago when we came up, our central midfield was Nolan and Smith, now it's two regular French internationals. Give over man. We appointed Pardew at a time he had internationals like Ben Arfa, Tiote, Coloccini, Carroll, Gutierrez etc. By the same token we still have Perch, Simpson, Williamson, and Taylor in our top 11 starters for the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times haven't changed? Three years ago when we came up, our central midfield was Nolan and Smith, now it's two regular French internationals. Give over man. We appointed Pardew at a time he had internationals like Ben Arfa, Tiote, Coloccini, Carroll, Gutierrez etc. By the same token we still have Perch, Simpson, Williamson, and Taylor in our top 11 starters for the season. We had them along with Nolan, Smith & Barton though so it's a bit of a moot point. Ben Arfa's leg was in 2 at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 If Ashley and co have the same ambition as Pardew we are well and truly f***ed as a football club ,our good players will be sold i.e Krul ,HBA,Cabaye to get maximum profit now.The players will not be happy with Pardews comments imho or they simply dont care and want to pick up a wage We finished 5th last year and the extent of Ashley's ambition meant that the best player brought in was Vurnon Anita, not even a first teamer a year later. If Ashley is not swayed by a 5th place finish then there's not a great deal more Pardew could do to push for improvement. It was only the threat of relegation that forced Ashley to put his hand in his pocket in January......and even then he's happy to have Shola Ameobi as the second best dedicated striker at the club. Is Gouffran not a striker like? "dedicated" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 ...and Nolan has scored more goals for West Ham this year than any of our French internationals have managed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I'm not defending Mike Ashley, I simply don't share your belief that he's willing to see players drop in value due to mismanagement. Our transfer policy is completely different now. Trying to deny that is ludicrous. When we came up I wouldn't have expected him to buy Cisse or MYM or Santon or Debuchy. Things have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Times haven't changed? Three years ago when we came up, our central midfield was Nolan and Smith, now it's two regular French internationals. Give over man. We appointed Pardew at a time he had internationals like Ben Arfa, Tiote, Coloccini, Carroll, Gutierrez etc. By the same token we still have Perch, Simpson, Williamson, and Taylor in our top 11 starters for the season. We had them along with Nolan, Smith & Barton though so it's a bit of a moot point. Ben Arfa's leg was in 2 at the time. The argument is who Ashley deems fit to manage his international players. Whey Coloccini and Ben Arfa cost more than Cabaye and Sissoko, so I fail to see why appointing Pardew then was any less of a deriliction of those players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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