Beren Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 All these stats are doing is proving how worthless statistics taken in isolation are. We're not fucking stupid and we have eyes. You can pull stats out of your arse until the cows come home, it doesn't change what i've seen with my own two eyes the last 2 years. Would you sack Pardew if we won our first game of next season and didn't drop out of the top 5 all year....assuming the style of football remains....workmanlike. We would be playing better or we wouldn't be 5th, unfortunately being 5th the style wouldn't bother too many i wouldn't think. But as we've seen this season Pardew's direct style is not sustainable long term. Fat Sam maybe, well if you want to just exist in the league anyhoo. The football was arsejuice when we finished 5th. With Carroll up top the arse juice football could be as effective again. When has arsejuice-football ever been able to compete for trophies on a consistent basis? There's a natural ceiling on arsejuice football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Oh god arsejuice isn't going to be like my Set Penises thingy is it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Just realised I haven't put my patented Premier league only points won stats in this thread. These are interesting because they dismiss all other outside factors. Champions League, Europa, FA & League cups as well as championship games. They don't care about losses or draws or wins, just points on the board. Everyone is measured only on their top flight games. The best like for like comparison of our Premier League managers available on the web. Here goes Pardew lovers.....stand by your beds.....prepare for the backlash.... PL Points % Kevin Keegan 61.54% Sir Bobby Robson 53.19% Glenn Roeder 47.44% Alan Pardew 45.70% Kenny Dalglish 45.24% Sam Allardyce 41.27% Chris Hughton 39.58% Graeme Souness 39.39% Kevin Keegan 2 36.84% Ruud Gullit 36.59% Joe Kinnear 34.72% Alan Shearer 20.83% Our 4th best manager in over 20 years. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Arsejuice with ya breakfast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 All these stats are doing is proving how worthless statistics taken in isolation are. We're not fucking stupid and we have eyes. You can pull stats out of your arse until the cows come home, it doesn't change what i've seen with my own two eyes the last 2 years. Would you sack Pardew if we won our first game of next season and didn't drop out of the top 5 all year....assuming the style of football remains....workmanlike. Ifs and buts and all that but yes, I would. I do not believe he is the right man to take us forward as a club. Not only in terms of the first team squad, I don't believe he has the ability and knowledge required to run this football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 All these stats are doing is proving how worthless statistics taken in isolation are. We're not f***ing stupid and we have eyes. You can pull stats out of your arse until the cows come home, it doesn't change what i've seen with my own two eyes the last 2 years. Would you sack Pardew if we won our first game of next season and didn't drop out of the top 5 all year....assuming the style of football remains....workmanlike. We would be playing better or we wouldn't be 5th, unfortunately being 5th the style wouldn't bother too many i wouldn't think. But as we've seen this season Pardew's direct style is not sustainable long term. Fat Sam maybe, well if you want to just exist in the league anyhoo. The football was arsejuice when we finished 5th. With Carroll up top the arse juice football could be as effective again. I seriously doubt we would be 5th next season, base on stats they don't tell you that story. Base on performances , we look like being founded out and going forward(attacking) we have not improved. Not sure Andy Carrol alone would suddenly make us play like Arsenal let alone West Ham Pie in the sky thoughts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Obviously if anything is based on assuming this seasons' performances will continue then we will do absolutely terribly next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Only we could make finishing 5th in the league potentially one of the worst things that's ever happened to us like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Win% is only a general indication and does not take into account trends. If you take Ferguson's win% in his first couple of years at Man U, it wouldn't be as high as when he was winning titles. Pardew on the other hand has gotten worse after an initial good year or two and that thrend has been reflected throughout his whole career. The trends you see is much more representative of a manager's ability over time. Hmmm....gimme a sec ...... Take your time. You probably see things in binary code considering how much you love your numbers. Just make sure they make sense, are relevant and open to scrutiny. Here you are.... http://i44.tinypic.com/jrxt3t.jpg Christ, I'm welling up, that's such a thing of beauty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Oh god arsejuice isn't going to be like my Set Penises thingy is it. You'd hate that, wouldn't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 All these stats are doing is proving how worthless statistics taken in isolation are. We're not f***ing stupid and we have eyes. You can pull stats out of your arse until the cows come home, it doesn't change what i've seen with my own two eyes the last 2 years. Would you sack Pardew if we won our first game of next season and didn't drop out of the top 5 all year....assuming the style of football remains....workmanlike. No. Would you? No. Just that the football was s*** last season and you included that in what you''ve seen over 2 years that suggests he should be sacked. So I wasn't clear. When we were up in 4th I complained that the football was s**** and we would drop like a lead balloon...but the season went on...and on...and on...and we didn't drop. So like most people I had to shut up and accept, it's not pretty, but it worked. I don't see any reason it shouldn't work again next year, if we get in another striker and start converting some of the wealth of opportunities we make. It still won't be pretty though. The Factor of Pardew's Tactics being analyze and being founded out isn't being taken note here. It is a pretty obvious factor that play its part it this season, most teams actually know we like to keep it tight and like to be on the back foot. Sir Alex actually took note that we were unpredictable due to new players , that it had been the reason they lost at Man United. Unless you assume tactical changes would be made to Pardew's teams. I would only assume we would continue to under perform if nothing changes. One big man will not change the bigger picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Only we could make finishing 5th in the league potentially one of the worst things that's ever happened to us like. So true, it's like that 5th place has become a curse for us. Who would have given that 5th place up in hindsight to remove any credibility of keeping him? Most I bet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Win% is only a general indication and does not take into account trends. If you take Ferguson's win% in his first couple of years at Man U, it wouldn't be as high as when he was winning titles. Pardew on the other hand has gotten worse after an initial good year or two and that thrend has been reflected throughout his whole career. The trends you see is much more representative of a manager's ability over time. Hmmm....gimme a sec ...... Take your time. You probably see things in binary code considering how much you love your numbers. Just make sure they make sense, are relevant and open to scrutiny. Here you are.... http://i44.tinypic.com/jrxt3t.jpg Christ, I'm welling up, that's such a thing of beauty. An easier way of doing things would have been to look at his points total from last season compared to his points total from this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Except that a sample of two numbers is pretty small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 But far more relevant, which is sort of the important factor in any debate I find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 But far more relevant, which is sort of the important factor in any debate I find. Yeah, depends what you're trying to show. TBF, any statistical analysis of so short a time is very difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Clearly displays Pardew's diminishing bouncebackability. There's 3 distinct peaks where he has put a run of results together in response to falling below 40%, but each one has offered a lower return, the first peak saw him hit 80%, the next one just over 70%, the most recent, just 50%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Can somebody ban the use of graphs on here? I'm being graphed to death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 We need other things such as the opposition faced, if we were home or away, key injuries to players etc too like but fair enough. This is a stat that paints Pards in a negative light though so Hans is aal owa it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 This thread. It was bad enough before HF turned up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Can somebody ban the use of graphs on here? I'm being graphed to death. >Graft vs Host joke<. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Can somebody ban the use of graphs on here? I'm being graphed to death. You've taken the lead Mick http://i42.tinypic.com/apfzi8.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 This thread is pure AIDS, straight from the nutsack of a French Canadian flight attendant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 You've taken the lead Mick http://i42.tinypic.com/apfzi8.jpg A Pie Chart, at least it's different. It's nothing personal, I spend far too much of my life working on Excel and Access to have to face it on every page of this thread, I prefer words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Pick the worst graph possible as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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