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AlanSkÃrare

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I have an honest question:

 

Since results and performances have been absolute shit for about a year now:

 

Why doesn't he try something different?

Why doesn't he look elsewhere for ideas or inspiration?

 

He's been given more time than most (all other in Europe) managers considering his results/performances. He's had time to think about things. Still, he believes that aiming to keep the shape, launching towards whoever plays upfront and not move is the way to win games? He's got nothing to lose. We concede the living hell out of ourselves anyway, we lose all the time. We've lost 21 games since November. Is he this fucking moronic?

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I have an honest question:

 

Since results and performances have been absolute shit for about a year now:

 

Why doesn't he try something different?

Why doesn't he look elsewhere for ideas or inspiration?

 

He's been given more time than most (all other in Europe) managers considering his results/performances. He's had time to think about things. Still, he believes that aiming to keep the shape, launching towards whoever plays upfront and not move is the way to win games? He's got nothing to lose. We concede the living hell out of ourselves anyway, we lose all the time. We've lost 21 games since November. Is he this fucking moronic?

 

I think he is, that and he seems scared to let his team go for it.

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I think he's worked out that the excuses work wonders as well, with press, former players, fans and maybe the owner.  Don't know about the final one for sure because you can never be sure with him.  Anyway as a result he's never really been under any pressure to change things.

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There's much more to it than that though. I don't believe for one second that Pardew instructs the players to stand still and provide no options for the man on the ball. But that's how we play, week in week out. It's really noticeable on throw ins, they sometimes take an eternity because nobody shows for the ball, or makes a little run away from his marker.

 

Pardew doesn't spend time on the training ground coaching the lads to be static, but whatever he's doing that's the end result. To an extent I think that's where the hoof originates, just a lack of an available pass. But when you see Krul and Elliot coming almost to the halfway line to lump free kicks forward, then that can only come from Pardew.

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There's much more to it than that though. I don't believe for one second that Pardew instructs the players to stand still and provide no options for the man on the ball. But that's how we play, week in week out. It's really noticeable on throw ins, they sometimes take an eternity because nobody shows for the ball, or makes a little run away from his marker.

 

Pardew doesn't spend time on the training ground coaching the lads to be static, but whatever he's doing that's the end result. To an extent I think that's where the hoof originates, just a lack of an available pass. But when you see Krul and Elliot coming almost to the halfway line to lump free kicks forward, then that can only come from Pardew.

 

Keegan's 5 a side practice sessions were done specifically to encourage quick one touch passing. It showed on the pitch. When you see our keepers and defenders launching the ball long down the pitch there's probably a reason.

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There's much more to it than that though. I don't believe for one second that Pardew instructs the players to stand still and provide no options for the man on the ball. But that's how we play, week in week out. It's really noticeable on throw ins, they sometimes take an eternity because nobody shows for the ball, or makes a little run away from his marker.

 

Pardew doesn't spend time on the training ground coaching the lads to be static, but whatever he's doing that's the end result. To an extent I think that's where the hoof originates, just a lack of an available pass. But when you see Krul and Elliot coming almost to the halfway line to lump free kicks forward, then that can only come from Pardew.

 

We have no sideways movement imo (apart from HBA), it always seems in straight lines. So that the team is still in shape if it breaks down. He does seem scared to let the team play with freedom.

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As promised, I'll be advocating sacking this chap if we don't see an upturn in performances between now and January. I'm a big fan of sticking with managers through shitty patches and giving them time and support, and that is what he has now had. At the wildest stretch I could just about take giving him another window, if this one doesn't go well, but really... Christmas. I live in hope. That said, any discernible upturn in performances and I'd go straight back to being a continuity nut.

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As promised, I'll be advocating sacking this chap if we don't see an upturn in performances between now and January. I'm a big fan of sticking with managers through shitty patches and giving them time and support, and that is what he has now had. At the wildest stretch I could just about take giving him another window, if this one doesn't go well, but really... Christmas. I live in hope. That said, any discernible upturn in performances and I'd go straight back to being a continuity nut.

 

Surely we have to admit now that he isn't going through a s*** patch. He has now spent more time being shitty than good, so if anything he had a purple patch. All the shitness is just the norm.

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As promised, I'll be advocating sacking this chap if we don't see an upturn in performances between now and January. I'm a big fan of sticking with managers through shitty patches and giving them time and support, and that is what he has now had. At the wildest stretch I could just about take giving him another window, if this one doesn't go well, but really... Christmas. I live in hope. That said, any discernible upturn in performances and I'd go straight back to being a continuity nut.

i'm kind of with you. in my mind we have an unabalanced side, remy and maybe one other should remedy that, then he has a decent,balanced squad so no excuses.
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As promised, I'll be advocating sacking this chap if we don't see an upturn in performances between now and January. I'm a big fan of sticking with managers through shitty patches and giving them time and support, and that is what he has now had. At the wildest stretch I could just about take giving him another window, if this one doesn't go well, but really... Christmas. I live in hope. That said, any discernible upturn in performances and I'd go straight back to being a continuity nut.

i'm kind of with you. in my mind we have an unabalanced side, remy and maybe one other should remedy that, then he has a decent,balanced squad so no excuses.

 

Don't agree. Squad has been balanced at times, he's chosen not to use it correctly by playing players out of position and not to their strengths. No matter who has played for us let alone who we've come up against: it's been the same pattern, lack of ideas and static hoofing crap game after game.

 

We've lost 21 games since november. Managers with access to far less balanced squads do better. With all the time he's been given, it's beyond inexcusable to still serve up this shit. We've had nothing but poor performances since the start of last season bar the odd half here and there. Even then we've regressed to the negative safety-first-approach for parts of the games. First half against Villa in February and the Chelsea game apart, I can't think of being satisfied with the way we've played since the win against Bordeaux. Even that game was precedented with a couple of horrible showings, Reading away springs to mind.

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If we get Gomis and Remy back there's nothing to blame in the playing staff. We have more than enough to compete.

 

And if they get injured, we're back to having a good excuse to continue losing?

 

No good manager is so heavily reliant on having their whole squad fit, because squads very rarely tend to have no injury problems.

 

Scratch that, make that 'no acceptable manager'.

 

He's had two-odd years to impose his footballing philosophy on the squad as a whole, to ensure changes to personnel (for whatever reason) don't disrupt our rhythm as a whole, and in this respect he's been successful - we're turgid no matter what! :razz:

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If we get Gomis and Remy back there's nothing to blame in the playing staff. We have more than enough to compete.

 

And if they get injured, we're back to having a good excuse to continue losing?

 

No good manager is so heavily reliant on having their whole squad fit, because squads very rarely tend to have no injury problems.

 

Scratch that, make that 'no acceptable manager'.

 

He's had two-odd years to impose his footballing philosophy on the squad as a whole, to ensure changes to personnel (for whatever reason) don't disrupt our rhythm as a whole, and in this respect he's been successful - we're turgid no matter what! :razz:

 

Nah I know, I'm not saying he should need to have the whole team fit at once.

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I still want Paindew sacked...one awful preformance, spunky win v a 4th division side changes f*** all.

 

Wouldn't say you should be changing your opinion yet but just at least gather some positivity from somewhere and hope things can change and in time you might not want him sacked, obviously nobody expects that to change just after last nights win.

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This is how bad it's got: I thought about how losing might have nudged him closer to the sack, then I remembered that he's probably still nowhere near the sack, Ashley doesn't give a shit about the cups and that I'd be in a position where I wouldn't care about us losing. I'd rather we went for it in the cups tbh, it's not like it would effect our form any way.

 

If we had an owner that cared about things like losing to lower league opposition, I may have been tempted to take us losing if it meant getting rid of him. As insane and shameful as that is. I don't think I could willingly want it, but I'd accept it.

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This is how bad it's got: I thought about how losing might have nudged him closer to the sack, then I remembered that he's probably still nowhere near the sack, Ashley doesn't give a shit about the cups and that I'd be in a position where I wouldn't care about us losing. I'd rather we went for it in the cups tbh, it's not like it would effect our form any way.

 

If we had an owner that cared about things like losing to lower league opposition, I may have been tempted to take us losing if it meant getting rid of him. As insane and shameful as that is. I don't think I could willingly want it, but I'd accept it.

 

I was always under the impression that one of the reasons behind Chris Hughton's sacking was his poor performance in the cup, Ashley being very angry with the 0-4 against Arsenal in the League Cup. No idea what Ashley thinks now about the cups. For me I think Ashley doesn't care about us at all anymore, other than it not costing him money.

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This is how bad it's got: I thought about how losing might have nudged him closer to the sack, then I remembered that he's probably still nowhere near the sack, Ashley doesn't give a s*** about the cups and that I'd be in a position where I wouldn't care about us losing. I'd rather we went for it in the cups tbh, it's not like it would effect our form any way.

 

If we had an owner that cared about things like losing to lower league opposition, I may have been tempted to take us losing if it meant getting rid of him. As insane and shameful as that is. I don't think I could willingly want it, but I'd accept it.

 

I was always under the impression that one of the reasons behind Chris Hughton's sacking was his poor performance in the cup, Ashley being very angry with the 0-4 against Arsenal in the League Cup. No idea what Ashley thinks now about the cups. For me I think Ashley doesn't care about us at all anymore, other than it not costing him money.

 

I don't believe that either of those things are true, but then who's to really know? I've heard from a fair few places that Ashley doesn't care about the cups, including the Europa League. The whole thing with Hughton seemed to be a personal thing and a fair few people have said that Ashley sacked him for not being able to get the players to sign their Sports Direct style contracts.

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