Alan Pardew

[oldtype]

So do you rate Hughton or not - by all means dont sit on the fence..

 

Asking me? As a manager not really. Like the guy though, loved our Championship season but he had arguably the best squad that has ever played Championship football. Under him in the Premiership we relied a lot on long balls from the likes of Barton into Andy Carroll and then Nolan being in the right place. It was no better football than the stuff people have been unhappy with under Pardew. When Pardew came in he had no Carroll, and he got some results with people like Best and Lovenkrands in the side, I'm not at all sure Hughton would have done that tbh. Rightly or wrongly I feel Pardew is a better man manager as well. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes so I freely admit that's speculation. 

 

Aye, the mackems and Villa games were f***ing rotten, scoring a goal then trying to score another, then another. Where do people get this absolute rubbish?

 

As for Pardew coming in with no Carroll, I must have blanked out that Liverpool game. Dear me.

 

Loved those games. But there were some shockers as well and there was plenty of grumbling on here after some rank performances under Hughton. And yes we've had shockers under Pardew but FFS it hasn't all been shyte.

 

Was it just the one game Pardew had with Carroll?

 

Poor performances were to be expected, we'd just been promoted and spent almost nothing!

 

It's been largely s****. I haven't enjoyed three games in the last eighteen months, and even when we finished fifth, other than half a dozen games the football stank to high heaven.

 

I hardly think you can class a 3-1 defeat to West Brom alongside 0-3 and 0-6. "Shockers" doesn't begin to cover what Pardew has put us through. I'd love to know what it is about the man that has so many defending him even now. He's utterly detestable as a man and as a manager.

 

How is last season less worthy of the sack to you than Hughton's four months was?

 

 

Fair enough - your enjoyment is beyond debate in that no one can tell you otherwise. You go to more games than I do but I've enjoyed more of the football I've seen than you have, I probably am more easily pleased.

 

I don't think anyone on here is especially pro Pardew (Brett is close though), I think the most anyone would say is that he's a bang average manager. The argument centres on who would replace him if we did sack him, and would it be another bang average manager or a less than bang average manager. The Sunderland betting list is a decent starting point (although it contains a few non starters to be fair). Debates on the merits of the likes of MON, McLaren etc over Pardew are pointless imo. I would support sacking Pardew if I knew we would find an undisputable upgrade. I am not convinced our owner knows enough about the game or enough people in the game to do that.     

 

In a rather large set of average to poor English managers that are essentially indistinguishable from each other ability wise, Pardew is the one who's capable (or desperate, if you want to see it that way) of working with the ownership without throwing his toys out the pram.

 

I'll take that for now given that my expectations for the club under this regime are close to nil.

[Beren]

Rather have a manager or string of managers who did throw their toys out of the pram. Better than circling the drain feeling as disconnected as I/we do.

[Mick]

 

He had a pop in May that the Europa league was no excuse for dwindling league form.

 

But Laudrup did no better at Getafe. UEFA quarter finals and 14th.  It was their worst finish sinnce being promoted back to the Primera Liga. Having not failed to finish top half for years previous. He had similar problems in a relegation battle at Mallorca in his one season there. Finished 1 point clear of relegation with a club who finished 5th the year before he arrived and 8th the next year without him.

 

 

You've put some canny negative spin on the job he did at Spain mind.  Laudrup got Gatafe to the final of the Copa del Rey as well as the UEFA quarters.  He did that and they only dropped 5 points from the season before when they qualified for Europe through the domestic cup, not the league.  You can't compare that fall from grace with ours when we went out of both domestic cups at the first attempt, the FA Cup against Brighton and we went from 5th top to 5th bottom with a 24 points drop season on season. 

 

Are you trying to claim that Laudrup was responsible for the decline at Mallorca?  More spin.  The club were screwed before he arrived as they were skint and had to flog anything that moved.  I'm sure Shepherd was rumoured to be interested in buying them but he was pipped by some other Walter Mitty who didn't have the money to buy them.  They were declared bankrupt and kicked out of the UEFA Cup because they couldn't rub 2 pesetas together.  It was a massive plus for Laudrup that they actually managed to stay in the top division after losing the best part of the team. 

 

[oldtype]

Rather have a manager or string of managers who did throw their toys out of the pram. Better than circling the drain feeling as disconnected as I/we do.

 

I'd rather not. Each managerial sacking and appointment brings the significant chance for complete collapse and relegation, as opposed to the reasonably safe and unexciting shitness that we have right now. (Yes, we almost went down last season but the fact that we didn't in the end despite being abject for the majority of the season just reinforces my belief that it's extremely hard to go down without some sort of structural collapse at the upper levels of the club.)

 

I'd rather circle the drain and hope we'll be relieved of our current predicament in the near future than take the chance of getting sucked in.

[merlin]

The football Laudrup plays should be more than enough to want anyone to change imo. I'd sell my granny to have an exciting attacking manager like him.

 

I go to the match to watch NUFC try and beat the other team by as many goals as possible, not to be bored, lose, then come home and console myself with carefully selected statistics.

 

A season ticket holder saw Newcastle win 33% more games than a Swansea season ticket holder last year. But I know facts tend to cloud the issue so I apologise for mentioning it.

 

"Last year" isn't the same as last season. Is this another one of your creative uses of stats?

 

No. I meant last season. We won 9 at home. They won 6.

 

Its a pointless discussion.  Like being asked who would win a fight between the grufallo and sasquatch.  I named several other PL managers I wouldn't be fussed on at the same time. It's really not worth pages of discussion.

 

 

..and how about this season so far...?? I bet the Swansea fans would cut off their right arms to swap Laudrup for Pardew - NOT.

As for your assertion about Pardew having as good a record as Laudrup...who won a trophy last year..something Pardew has never done ? Ask W Ham, Charlton and Saints fans if they would have Pardew back.

[Superior Acuña]

Rather have a manager or string of managers who did throw their toys out of the pram. Better than circling the drain feeling as disconnected as I/we do.

 

I'd rather not. Each managerial sacking and appointment brings the significant chance for complete collapse and relegation, as opposed to the reasonably safe and unexciting shitness that we have right now. (Yes, we almost went down last season but the fact that we didn't in the end despite being abject for the majority of the season just reinforces my belief that it's extremely hard to go down without some sort of structural collapse at the upper levels of the club.)

 

I'd rather circle the drain and hope we'll be relieved of our current predicament in the near future than take the chance of getting sucked in.

 

Tend to agree. With an owner I trusted, I'd want Pardew out, but under the current regime I'd be much more fearful than excited if Pardew was sacked.

[Decky]

I want Pardew out, but at the same time I don't trust Ashley to replace him at all, especially with that knacker Kinnear so far up his arse. We're fucked either way, so I'd rather we just stuck with Pardew now and saw this out. Realistically all we can hope for now is staying in the Premier League until Ashley is gone and we're finished with this nightmare. I just hope the free advertising for Sports Direct isn't so significant that he's going no where because of it.

[Beren]

Difference between relegation and this is minimal in terms of enjoyment of the football for me. Happy to twist through Ashley's mixed bag of appointments on the basis that the alternative cannot possibly be much worse, but we could get lucky - worthwhile gamble IMO. Pardew gone is one less bad choice on the table, then the same with Kinnear after that.

[loki679]

If NUFC are making enough profit to enable FMA to repay his loans then what makes people think he'd dispose of us once they're paid back?  If you had a business earning you 20m a year would you get rid of it?

 

Ashley will likely be here for a while, I'd rather get rid of Pardew now and hope he takes a chance on a cheap young manager.  Better than sticking with this shite season after season.

[Decky]

The thing is though, there's a very long list of managers just as bad if not worse than Pardew that would all be first in line for the job. I'd rather we just stuck with one bad manager than chopped and changed through old has beens for the next few years. Pardew is terrible, but in his time here we haven't gone down, there are much worse managers that would take us down. We could of course get lucky, but when has that ever happened to us?

 

Decent established managers cost too much money for Ashley and won't put up with his nonsense. If we got lucky with an unproven manager then realistically how long would he stay here? He'd probably want more money eventually and would probably attract the interests of other more ambitious football clubs. Ashley's set up is built for bad managers who are happy to just be at a club like Newcastle, or even just be employed for that matter.

[Decky]

Another thing, a new manager will be crying out for spending in the transfer window to take in some of his own players. Pardew, as we've seen already, is happy to sit there while next to nothing is spent. Pardew suits Ashley right down to the ground.

[Superior Acuña]

Difference between relegation and this is minimal in terms of enjoyment of the football for me. Happy to twist through Ashley's mixed bag of appointments on the basis that the alternative cannot possibly be much worse, but we could get lucky - worthwhile gamble IMO. Pardew gone is one less bad choice on the table, then the same with Kinnear after that.

 

Fair enough on first point, I can see that gamble and relegation/promotion could be more fun.

 

But there are an infinite amount of shit managers. Pardew being one less available bad choice will make no dent in the number of available shit options. Just think of where Kinnear came from. Ashley will find them.

[mrmojorisin75]

this is literally the same argument NE5 used when people wanted shepherd out, "be careful what you wish for", unfortunately he was partially right

 

i'm afraid i side with the idea of taking our chances with a new appointment, at the moment with this joker running things in football terms we're just subsisting, and that's not an enjoyable state of affairs for any of us...the best case is he lucks out and appoints someone who can form a team, we play better football and ashley starts enjoying himself as an owner again 'cause i for one also subscribe to the idea that he's not leaving anytime soon due to the advertising

[Mr Logic]

The football Laudrup plays should be more than enough to want anyone to change imo.

 

I go to the match to watch NUFC try and beat the other team by as many goals as possible, not to be bored, lose, then come home and console myself with carefully selected statistics.

 

Perfect post.

[ExiledGeordie]

The football Laudrup plays should be more than enough to want anyone to change imo.

 

I go to the match to watch NUFC try and beat the other team by as many goals as possible, not to be bored, lose, then come home and console myself with carefully selected statistics.

 

Perfect post.

 

I was most definitely very bored on Saturday

[Happy Face]

[Happy Face]

The football Laudrup plays should be more than enough to want anyone to change imo. I'd sell my granny to have an exciting attacking manager like him.

 

I go to the match to watch NUFC try and beat the other team by as many goals as possible, not to be bored, lose, then come home and console myself with carefully selected statistics.

 

Nice to see everybody looking at the positives and getting behind the manager. Wenesday was just awful - however we were short of probably 5 - 6 first teamers and half of those on the park were forced to play out of position. Souey's spent £50m so lets sack him and get another manager in. Give him £50m and sack him in 18 months as well. Whats the time limit now at SJP for "success" 1 month. 10 games? FFS could we lay off with the negativity. With a fully fit squad we should give most teams a run for their money. If Souey fails with a full squad then fine, sack him, but get real. Up to now he's fielded walking wounded and kids played out of position.

 

Against Wigan reserves.

 

Wigan. Reserves. Boumsong, Solano, Emre, Bowyer, Parker, Shearer, Luque - these are his players or players he has chosen to keep - and at huge expense.

 

 

 

Considering we have had the worst injury crisis in Premiership history I'd say Roeder has done very well to get us even competing. Add Owen to the season we have had and I think we'd easily be Top 6.

 

Have you been drinking?

 

Worst injury crisis in Premiership history my arse! Boro once forfeited a game because they didn't have enough players. That's a crisis, not having to use a couple of Academy lads - the same Boro played a nearly all Academy team last year and put up a better fight than we did today with a strong side.

 

You've been listening to Roeder's boring shite too much, Souness all over again.

 

 

 

When you play good football, you win football matches. You don't win them all by any means but if you play well, you create chances and by extension score goals.

 

You talk of "grinding out results" but that is a million miles away on current form because we're absolutely porous at the back. We are neither creating anything nor defending anything and you've got to do at least one of those!

 

There is often hyperbole on this forum, as with all football forums, but we were at home on Saturday and we didn't have a corner or a single shot at goal, we've also conceded 7 in 2 at SJP while not scoring a single 'real' goal since Spurs. It is not over the top to say that what we've seen over the past month is just as bad as anything we have seen over the past 15 years. I'm still somewhat hopeful that he can turn it round but he needs to do it fast.

 

I think you'd be better off cancelling your season ticket than pinning your hopes on a miraculous change to this cycle of pain you seem to be subjecting yourself to.

[Dave]

Oh dear. That's when you know someone's run out of material.

[Guest Forollhogna]

When in a hole, stop digging....

[Happy Face]

Oh dear. That's when you know someone's run out of material.

 

I know, he should get a new script, right.  Banging on about the way the game should be played, irrespective of the manager.  Saying how this manager and that one are definitely the worst for 15 years. Guaranteed he'll say the same about Pardew's replacement too.

 

The only surprise is it doesn't give him pause to consider if it's the ever changing cycle of managers he's moaned about or the men appointing the managers that are small minded when it comes to the product on the pitch.

 

 

[Guest icemanblue]

Oh dear. That's when you know someone's run out of material.

 

It's a decent point, like. I genuinely can't remember Wullie ever being happy.

[colinmk]

Oh dear. That's when you know someone's run out of material.

 

It's a decent point, like. I genuinely can't remember Wullie ever being happy.

 

Crazy eh, what with all the ambition we've shown and success we've had in recent times.

 

Seemed to be happy enough to me when Chris Hughton was being left alone to run things.

[Happy Face]

Oh dear. That's when you know someone's run out of material.

 

It's a decent point, like. I genuinely can't remember Wullie ever being happy.

 

Newcastle fan unhappy with Souness, Roeder and Allardyce who'd have thunk it.

 

No-one's particularly happy with Pardew either.

 

Difference between happy and advocating the sack though.

[Happy Face]

Oh dear. That's when you know someone's run out of material.

 

It's a decent point, like. I genuinely can't remember Wullie ever being happy.

 

Newcastle fan unhappy with Souness, Roeder and Allardyce who'd have thunk it.

 

No-one's particularly happy with Pardew either.

 

Difference between happy and advocating the sack though.

 

There's fuck all difference man  . Wullie is a dreamer who wants what's best for the club, its hardly worth all this drivel.

 

...and he's not the only one.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Find me anyone that was happy when Souness, Roeder and Allardyce were in charge ffs. If you're going to use that one then you'd have to use that one on 99% of the people on here, just as you would with Pardew.