Alan Pardew

[Rich]

90% of this forum is against Ashley, people just don't think Pardew is a good manager. That's the point.

 

Regardless of whether or not anyone believes we will get anyone better in they just don't like Pardew as a manager (and some as a person) and are sick of the same mistakes being made week in week out as well as the same shit being spouted. "Dissenting voices" also apparently don't like Pardew, in fact they thinks he's a "grade A cunt", but will defend him to the ends of the Earth with a seemingly interminable stream of slanted statistics and graphs because they also reckon Ashley will get someone worse in if he's sacked (ie Kinnear).

 

The debate as a whole is a load of fucking nonsense, it makes no sense at all.

 

Why do you keep posting on the subject?

 

Why does anyone? The lines have been drawn for about 2 years.

[BrettNUFC]

Brett is proper mental. Sorry mate. The guy has rose tinted cornea.

 

What have i said now. s*** a brick. I thought i'd calmed down after last week.

 

It never leaves you mate, they never forget.

 

:lol:

 

No comment, I've given up "bullying".

 

[Hanshithispantz]

90% of this forum is against Ashley, people just don't think Pardew is a good manager. That's the point.

 

Regardless of whether or not anyone believes we will get anyone better in they just don't like Pardew as a manager (and some as a person) and are sick of the same mistakes being made week in week out as well as the same shit being spouted. "Dissenting voices" also apparently don't like Pardew, in fact they thinks he's a "grade A cunt", but will defend him to the ends of the Earth with a seemingly interminable stream of slanted statistics and graphs because they also reckon Ashley will get someone worse in if he's sacked (ie Kinnear).

 

The debate as a whole is a load of fucking nonsense, it makes no sense at all.

 

Why do you keep posting on the subject?

It's the first time I've posted on the subject. My other posts were regarding the suggestion that Alan Pardew is a better manager than Laudrop and my thoughts on stats vs opinions.

 

I think what you've done here, HappyFace, is you've conflated 3 distinct discussions.

[Happy Face]

90% of this forum is against Ashley, people just don't think Pardew is a good manager. That's the point.

 

Regardless of whether or not anyone believes we will get anyone better in they just don't like Pardew as a manager (and some as a person) and are sick of the same mistakes being made week in week out as well as the same shit being spouted. "Dissenting voices" also apparently don't like Pardew, in fact they thinks he's a "grade A cunt", but will defend him to the ends of the Earth with a seemingly interminable stream of slanted statistics and graphs because they also reckon Ashley will get someone worse in if he's sacked (ie Kinnear).

 

The debate as a whole is a load of fucking nonsense, it makes no sense at all.

 

Why do you keep posting on the subject?

 

Why does anyone? The lines have been drawn for about 2 years.

 

I'm enjoying challenging what seems to be the sacred cow around here.

 

I think the perception of a matchgoer is generally far superior to what any numbers might tell you.  But then, the likes of Christmas Tree have been to games and seem to have little to no knowledge of football whatsoever.  Also, perceptions of a viewer can become entrenched so their mind can be made up ahead of time.  They can become tuned in to recognising the bad and ignoring the good.  So even while Pardew changes the way we approach games to a large degree, there are people that insist he's sticking with the same plan A as last year.

 

Challenging that perception is difficult when I can only offer opinions of my own.  I say potato, you say potato.  That doesn't work written down.  We end up calling the whole thing off (See Hanskissedhispantz's post).  But some numbers can illuminate my view, or challenge it.  That's what I'm looking for, a post that makes me reconsider my view.

 

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

No one cares about you mate. Nee offense. It's not about you at all.

[Happy Face]

No one cares about you mate. Nee offense. It's not about you at all.

 

It is to me mate. 

 

I don't post on here for your benefit.

 

I'm bored at work.

[KaKa]

I was reading an article last week on the changes under Moyes at Man United.

 

Apparently training now involves a lot more physical training, and less work with the ball. They actually had a bit in the article about Van Persie being taken aback by how much harder the sessions are.

 

Now, watching Man United this season, in my opinion, I don't see the same level of quality possession, build up play or attacking moves.

 

The players are exactly the same, but the managers approach is quite different. I think the manager's approach, outlook and mindset towards the game, and the effect this has on the team's play, is often downplayed way too much.

 

People tend to say a lot on here that the players have to take the blame, and they clearly aren't good enough, but I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it.

 

I think in some instances the players can be too good for the manager, in the sense that he is not equipped to utilise them in the right ways.

 

The likes of Moyes and Pardew will revel in having a certain type of player i.e. one who works hard, grafts, doesn't take too many risks etc. Ultimately though, there is always a ceiling to what can be achieved with teams built largely around these types i.e. your Everton teams under Moyes, your West Hams, Stokes etc.

 

The best performing teams will always have more players that have a bit more about them, but it seems these types of players terrify certain managers! They can't fathom the thought of them not doing exactly what is asked over and over again. Kagawa gives Moyes nightmares, the way Marveaux and Anita do Pardew.

 

Ultimately our manager doesn't fit with the types of players we are bringing in. We can either get the more functional types of players to suit his philosophy, and be content with midtable mediocrity and the occasional Europa league  appearance, or push for more.

 

I think we are ultimately getting the type of players that can push for more, but the manager can't get the best out of them.

 

 

 

 

[Heron]

I love being on holiday.

[Rich]

That's fair enough like HF, but you're coming in very late in the day here!

 

I'm fairly sure the reason you're not getting what you're looking for is more because a lot of people who have made lucid comments re: Pardew and his failings in the past simply can't be arsed to persist with posting them over and over and over and over again.

 

There have been many excellent points raised about his and our collective failings over the past months/years on here and elsewhere and for me personally some of the concerns raised are still plain as day to see all too often during 90 minutes of watching Newcastle play.

 

I definitely agree that a lot of nonsense gets set in anger and that we have far too many who, at this stage, are very entrenched in their view regarding the manager, but you're never going to change anyone's mind man

[jdckelly]

can we lock this thread for our collective sanity please

[Guest firetotheworks]

No one cares about you mate. Nee offense. It's not about you at all.

 

It is to me mate. 

 

I don't post on here for your benefit.

 

I'm bored at work.

 

Likewise, no one posts specifically for your benefit, which is what you're looking for. I think everyone's just fascinated by you because you're a walking contradiction.

[Rich]

He keeps fooling me into thinking he's improving by the way, like at Villa, then we pull that shit out of the bag against Hull and it's back to square one.

 

My main issues with him there were the collective attitude of the side - which he is ultimately responsible for - and for his changes that sent us back to the good old 4-4-2 and totally robbed us of any creativity in the middle for the final part of the game and let Huddlestone run things unchallenged.

[Hanshithispantz]

I never said call the whole thing off mind, I just think the debate itself is entirely pointless, I do enjoy reading it though

 

The 2 sides apparently agree with each other, both agree that Pardew is not a good Premiership manager, both also agree that if he is sacked Kinnear will likely be his replacement, and beyond that the appointments could be equally as sketchy. The biggest problem here is Ashley and it always has been.

 

The major dividing point has always seemed to be how acceptable it is to pan Pardew for his mistakes. As I said I do enjoy reading it though (and taking part).

[Happy Face]

No one cares about you mate. Nee offense. It's not about you at all.

 

It is to me mate. 

 

I don't post on here for your benefit.

 

I'm bored at work.

 

Likewise, no one posts specifically for your benefit, which is what you're looking for. I think everyone's just fascinated by you because you're a walking contradiction.

 

Why is it a contradiction to prefer the status quo of a mediocre manager at my mediocre club being run by a complete fucktard and his simpleton pisshead of a mate?

 

There is no contradiction in being absolutely certain that the chairman who appointed Kinnear, Wise, Vetere, Llambias, Pardew and Kinnear again; the man who could not work with Keegan or Hughton or Shearer or Redknapp; there's no contradiction in being certain he couldn't appoint and work with a talented manager if his life depended on it.

 

Giving him the opportunity to fuck up again while we aren't in any danger, while we're starting to play some decent football, while there's remarkably little animosity between players, manager, DOF and board considering, that seems suicidal to me.

[Guest Forollhogna]

I said before the season that I think we'll finish 8th like, knocked that down to 9-10th now after seeing Everton and Swansea but I think we'll be about there purely because of the dross filling the rest of the league. I think it'll be a torturous and frustrating ride regardless.

 

I'm happy with that progress.

We finished 8 points from 8th last year and were absolutely s****. Anything over 50 points and you're pretty much odds on as you're really only the best of a bad bunch. It's only progress if we maintain it and/or improve upon it though. And Pardew showed last year that he's hardly reliably in that respect, especially without investment.

 

We just need to steady the ship after the relegation battle last season, get some confidence instilled back around the city, our team is slowly building into something special we just need to keep trying to add little bits of quality here and there as we are never going to splash at big style like some teams do. We've came a long way already from the days of Barton/Nolan, we just need to keep pushing on. New owners and a new fancy manager would be nice but that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

 

Hello Alan. Sly dig at the fans in the end there and jobs a good`un.

[Guest firetotheworks]

No one cares about you mate. Nee offense. It's not about you at all.

 

It is to me mate. 

 

I don't post on here for your benefit.

 

I'm bored at work.

 

Likewise, no one posts specifically for your benefit, which is what you're looking for. I think everyone's just fascinated by you because you're a walking contradiction.

 

Why is it a contradiction to prefer the status quo of a mediocre manager at my mediocre club being run by a complete fucktard and his simpleton pisshead of a mate?

 

There is no contradiction in being absolutely certain that the chairman who appointed Kinnear, Wise, Vetere, Llambias, Pardew and Kinnear again; the man who could not work with Keegan or Hughton or Shearer or Redknapp; there's no contradiction in being certain he couldn't appoint and work with a talented manager if his life depended on it.

 

Giving him the opportunity to f*** up again while we aren't in any danger, while we're starting to play some decent football, while there's remarkably little animosity between players, manager, DOF and board considering, that seems suicidal to me.

 

That's not what's contradictory. I might post later though, I'm running out of steam for today.

[TRon]

No one cares about you mate. Nee offense. It's not about you at all.

 

It is to me mate. 

 

I don't post on here for your benefit.

 

I'm bored at work.

 

Likewise, no one posts specifically for your benefit, which is what you're looking for. I think everyone's just fascinated by you because you're a walking contradiction.

 

Why is it a contradiction to prefer the status quo of a mediocre manager at my mediocre club being run by a complete fucktard and his simpleton pisshead of a mate?

 

There is no contradiction in being absolutely certain that the chairman who appointed Kinnear, Wise, Vetere, Llambias, Pardew and Kinnear again; the man who could not work with Keegan or Hughton or Shearer or Redknapp; there's no contradiction in being certain he couldn't appoint and work with a talented manager if his life depended on it.

 

Giving him the opportunity to fuck up again while we aren't in any danger, while we're starting to play some decent football, while there's remarkably little animosity between players, manager, DOF and board considering, that seems suicidal to me.

 

It's quite simple for me, I think we've got probably a squad that is value wise a top 8 finish every time. I think we've got some very good players there that if organised into an effective unit could play attractive and effective football. Pardew's lack of ability to instill shape or method frustrates the hell out of me. I think you could give any 3rd division coach those players and they'd get similar results. Win some, lose some depending on individuals pulling a few goals from nowhere. Pardew isn't good enough for this football club, he should be at crystal palace.

[BrettNUFC]

I said before the season that I think we'll finish 8th like, knocked that down to 9-10th now after seeing Everton and Swansea but I think we'll be about there purely because of the dross filling the rest of the league. I think it'll be a torturous and frustrating ride regardless.

 

I'm happy with that progress.

We finished 8 points from 8th last year and were absolutely s****. Anything over 50 points and you're pretty much odds on as you're really only the best of a bad bunch. It's only progress if we maintain it and/or improve upon it though. And Pardew showed last year that he's hardly reliably in that respect, especially without investment.

 

We just need to steady the ship after the relegation battle last season, get some confidence instilled back around the city, our team is slowly building into something special we just need to keep trying to add little bits of quality here and there as we are never going to splash at big style like some teams do. We've came a long way already from the days of Barton/Nolan, we just need to keep pushing on. New owners and a new fancy manager would be nice but that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

 

Hello Alan. Sly dig at the fans in the end there and jobs a good`un.

 

Do you go on my profile, check my posts and pick up on any you fancy? You've done it all afternoon. Just pointing this out because it's a bit cuntish tbf.

[Heron]

This thread is canny funny to read like.

[Incognito]

I said before the season that I think we'll finish 8th like, knocked that down to 9-10th now after seeing Everton and Swansea but I think we'll be about there purely because of the dross filling the rest of the league. I think it'll be a torturous and frustrating ride regardless.

 

I'm happy with that progress.

We finished 8 points from 8th last year and were absolutely s****. Anything over 50 points and you're pretty much odds on as you're really only the best of a bad bunch. It's only progress if we maintain it and/or improve upon it though. And Pardew showed last year that he's hardly reliably in that respect, especially without investment.

 

We just need to steady the ship after the relegation battle last season, get some confidence instilled back around the city, our team is slowly building into something special we just need to keep trying to add little bits of quality here and there as we are never going to splash at big style like some teams do. We've came a long way already from the days of Barton/Nolan, we just need to keep pushing on. New owners and a new fancy manager would be nice but that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

 

Hello Alan. Sly dig at the fans in the end there and jobs a good`un.

 

Do you go on my profile, check my posts and pick up on any you fancy? You've done it all afternoon. Just pointing this out because it's a bit cuntish tbf.

 

Thing is you're contradicting yourself somewhat there Brett . You can certainly say we have come a long way player wise since Barton and Nolan,  I would even agree. But why isn't our team any better than the one Pardew took over?  Indeed some might say that the team is actually worse despite the personnel being of a higher quality of player.  Why is that? It's a rhetorical question by the way.

[Happy Face]

No one cares about you mate. Nee offense. It's not about you at all.

 

It is to me mate. 

 

I don't post on here for your benefit.

 

I'm bored at work.

 

Likewise, no one posts specifically for your benefit, which is what you're looking for. I think everyone's just fascinated by you because you're a walking contradiction.

 

Why is it a contradiction to prefer the status quo of a mediocre manager at my mediocre club being run by a complete fucktard and his simpleton pisshead of a mate?

 

There is no contradiction in being absolutely certain that the chairman who appointed Kinnear, Wise, Vetere, Llambias, Pardew and Kinnear again; the man who could not work with Keegan or Hughton or Shearer or Redknapp; there's no contradiction in being certain he couldn't appoint and work with a talented manager if his life depended on it.

 

Giving him the opportunity to fuck up again while we aren't in any danger, while we're starting to play some decent football, while there's remarkably little animosity between players, manager, DOF and board considering, that seems suicidal to me.

 

It's quite simple for me, I think we've got probably a squad that is value wise a top 8 finish every time. I think we've got some very good players there that if organised into an effective unit could play attractive and effective football. Pardew's lack of ability to instill shape or method frustrates the hell out of me. I think you could give any 3rd division coach those players and they'd get similar results. Win some, lose some depending on individuals pulling a few goals from nowhere. Pardew isn't good enough for this football club, he should be at crystal palace.

 

None of that contradicts anything I said either.

[BrettNUFC]

I said before the season that I think we'll finish 8th like, knocked that down to 9-10th now after seeing Everton and Swansea but I think we'll be about there purely because of the dross filling the rest of the league. I think it'll be a torturous and frustrating ride regardless.

 

I'm happy with that progress.

We finished 8 points from 8th last year and were absolutely s****. Anything over 50 points and you're pretty much odds on as you're really only the best of a bad bunch. It's only progress if we maintain it and/or improve upon it though. And Pardew showed last year that he's hardly reliably in that respect, especially without investment.

 

We just need to steady the ship after the relegation battle last season, get some confidence instilled back around the city, our team is slowly building into something special we just need to keep trying to add little bits of quality here and there as we are never going to splash at big style like some teams do. We've came a long way already from the days of Barton/Nolan, we just need to keep pushing on. New owners and a new fancy manager would be nice but that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

 

Hello Alan. Sly dig at the fans in the end there and jobs a good`un.

 

Do you go on my profile, check my posts and pick up on any you fancy? You've done it all afternoon. Just pointing this out because it's a bit cuntish tbf.

 

Thing is you're contradicting yourself somewhat there Brett . You can certainly say we have come a long way player wise since Barton and Nolan,  I would even agree. But why isn't our team any better than the one Pardew took over?  Indeed some might say that the team is actually worse despite the personnel being of a higher quality of player.  Why is that? It's a rhetorical question by the way.

 

I've contradicted nothing in terms of my own opinion, i think this is the best side i've seen in years, i hope Pardew sticks with the majority of this team and blends it together, it has signs of the team that finished 5th but with more quality added to it.

[Incognito]

I said before the season that I think we'll finish 8th like, knocked that down to 9-10th now after seeing Everton and Swansea but I think we'll be about there purely because of the dross filling the rest of the league. I think it'll be a torturous and frustrating ride regardless.

 

I'm happy with that progress.

We finished 8 points from 8th last year and were absolutely s****. Anything over 50 points and you're pretty much odds on as you're really only the best of a bad bunch. It's only progress if we maintain it and/or improve upon it though. And Pardew showed last year that he's hardly reliably in that respect, especially without investment.

 

We just need to steady the ship after the relegation battle last season, get some confidence instilled back around the city, our team is slowly building into something special we just need to keep trying to add little bits of quality here and there as we are never going to splash at big style like some teams do. We've came a long way already from the days of Barton/Nolan, we just need to keep pushing on. New owners and a new fancy manager would be nice but that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

 

Hello Alan. Sly dig at the fans in the end there and jobs a good`un.

 

Do you go on my profile, check my posts and pick up on any you fancy? You've done it all afternoon. Just pointing this out because it's a bit cuntish tbf.

 

Thing is you're contradicting yourself somewhat there Brett . You can certainly say we have come a long way player wise since Barton and Nolan,  I would even agree. But why isn't our team any better than the one Pardew took over?  Indeed some might say that the team is actually worse despite the personnel being of a higher quality of player.  Why is that? It's a rhetorical question by the way.

 

I've contradicted nothing in terms of my own opinion, i think this is the best side i've seen in years, i hope Pardew sticks with the majority of this team and blends it together, it has signs of the team that finished 5th but with more quality added to it.

 

It should be but it really isn't.

[BrettNUFC]

I said before the season that I think we'll finish 8th like, knocked that down to 9-10th now after seeing Everton and Swansea but I think we'll be about there purely because of the dross filling the rest of the league. I think it'll be a torturous and frustrating ride regardless.

 

I'm happy with that progress.

We finished 8 points from 8th last year and were absolutely s****. Anything over 50 points and you're pretty much odds on as you're really only the best of a bad bunch. It's only progress if we maintain it and/or improve upon it though. And Pardew showed last year that he's hardly reliably in that respect, especially without investment.

 

We just need to steady the ship after the relegation battle last season, get some confidence instilled back around the city, our team is slowly building into something special we just need to keep trying to add little bits of quality here and there as we are never going to splash at big style like some teams do. We've came a long way already from the days of Barton/Nolan, we just need to keep pushing on. New owners and a new fancy manager would be nice but that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

 

Hello Alan. Sly dig at the fans in the end there and jobs a good`un.

 

Do you go on my profile, check my posts and pick up on any you fancy? You've done it all afternoon. Just pointing this out because it's a bit cuntish tbf.

 

Thing is you're contradicting yourself somewhat there Brett . You can certainly say we have come a long way player wise since Barton and Nolan,  I would even agree. But why isn't our team any better than the one Pardew took over?  Indeed some might say that the team is actually worse despite the personnel being of a higher quality of player.  Why is that? It's a rhetorical question by the way.

 

I've contradicted nothing in terms of my own opinion, i think this is the best side i've seen in years, i hope Pardew sticks with the majority of this team and blends it together, it has signs of the team that finished 5th but with more quality added to it.

 

It should be but it really isn't.

 

We'll see, just different opinions. I believe in this side.

[Incognito]

I said before the season that I think we'll finish 8th like, knocked that down to 9-10th now after seeing Everton and Swansea but I think we'll be about there purely because of the dross filling the rest of the league. I think it'll be a torturous and frustrating ride regardless.

 

I'm happy with that progress.

We finished 8 points from 8th last year and were absolutely s****. Anything over 50 points and you're pretty much odds on as you're really only the best of a bad bunch. It's only progress if we maintain it and/or improve upon it though. And Pardew showed last year that he's hardly reliably in that respect, especially without investment.

 

We just need to steady the ship after the relegation battle last season, get some confidence instilled back around the city, our team is slowly building into something special we just need to keep trying to add little bits of quality here and there as we are never going to splash at big style like some teams do. We've came a long way already from the days of Barton/Nolan, we just need to keep pushing on. New owners and a new fancy manager would be nice but that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

 

Hello Alan. Sly dig at the fans in the end there and jobs a good`un.

 

Do you go on my profile, check my posts and pick up on any you fancy? You've done it all afternoon. Just pointing this out because it's a bit cuntish tbf.

 

Thing is you're contradicting yourself somewhat there Brett . You can certainly say we have come a long way player wise since Barton and Nolan,  I would even agree. But why isn't our team any better than the one Pardew took over?  Indeed some might say that the team is actually worse despite the personnel being of a higher quality of player.  Why is that? It's a rhetorical question by the way.

 

I've contradicted nothing in terms of my own opinion, i think this is the best side i've seen in years, i hope Pardew sticks with the majority of this team and blends it together, it has signs of the team that finished 5th but with more quality added to it.

 

It should be but it really isn't.

 

We'll see, just different opinions. I believe in this side.

 

You're ignoring the big grey elephant in the room.