Ronaldo Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Well Ben Arfa is a genius in my eyes, i'm not talking Messi standard, but for me he does things my eyes have never witnessed before and not sure they ever will again. What a load of crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Never witnessed ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Well Ben Arfa is a genius in my eyes, i'm not talking Messi standard, but for me he does things my eyes have never witnessed before and not sure they ever will again. What a load of crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Well Ben Arfa is a genius in my eyes, i'm not talking Messi standard, but for me he does things my eyes have never witnessed before and not sure they ever will again. Naismith isn't a top 8 player, just because he finished there with his team does not make him a top 8 player, teams go up and down, Everton have flirted with relegation then year after bounced up and finished top 8, teams can have poor seasons, this doesn't make them a poor team. Sometimes you underperform and don’t reach expectations, sometimes you can surpass expectations, one bad season doesn’t determine that a team isn’t good or the players haven't got quality. Everton have finished in the top 8 for the last 7 seasons. They're a top 8 team. Stop being delusional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 When did Everton flirt with relegation? About eight years ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Well Ben Arfa is a genius in my eyes, i'm not talking Messi standard, but for me he does things my eyes have never witnessed before and not sure they ever will again. What a load of crap. He's got a bit of 'Dave' in him where he will post a word or two, possibly a short sentence at best to a discussion but then think that is good enough for his argument because he is right, they rarely get drawn in to explaining themselves and expressing their actual opinion See. You do this. Don't actually explain why it’s a load of crap that i don't think i'll ever witness some of things Ben Arfa produces right before my very own eyes at SJP ever again. He's special. These types of players don't come around very often at your club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 When did Everton flirt with relegation? About eight years ago? Yeah, they were 11th 8 years ago and 4th the year before that. Desperatley close to the edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 When did Everton flirt with relegation? About eight years ago? Avoided the drop on the last day of the season about 15 years ago when Howard Kendall was manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Well Ben Arfa is a genius in my eyes, i'm not talking Messi standard, but for me he does things my eyes have never witnessed before and not sure they ever will again. Naismith isn't a top 8 player, just because he finished there with his team does not make him a top 8 player, teams go up and down, Everton have flirted with relegation then year after bounced up and finished top 8, teams can have poor seasons, this doesn't make them a poor team. Sometimes you underperform and don’t reach expectations, sometimes you can surpass expectations, one bad season doesn’t determine that a team isn’t good or the players haven't got quality. Everton have finished in the top 8 for the last 7 seasons. They're a top 8 team. Stop being delusional. Never said they weren't? I said Naismith isn't a top 8 PL player. I was pointing out how Everton have had a bad year and flirted relegation then bounced back with a very good league finish, then year after fell short of expectations again but then year after bounced back up. We had a bad season last year, that doesn't mean we are a bad team, we can still bounce back this year, that's my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Well Ben Arfa is a genius in my eyes, i'm not talking Messi standard, but for me he does things my eyes have never witnessed before and not sure they ever will again. Naismith isn't a top 8 player, just because he finished there with his team does not make him a top 8 player, teams go up and down, Everton have flirted with relegation then year after bounced up and finished top 8, teams can have poor seasons, this doesn't make them a poor team. Sometimes you underperform and don’t reach expectations, sometimes you can surpass expectations, one bad season doesn’t determine that a team isn’t good or the players haven't got quality. Everton have finished in the top 8 for the last 7 seasons. They're a top 8 team. Stop being delusional. Never said they weren't? I said Naismith isn't a top 8 PL player. I was pointing out how Everton have had a bad year and flirted relegation then bounced back with a very good league finish, then year after fell short of expectations again but then year after bounced back up. We had a bad season last year, that doesn't mean we are a bad team, we can still bounce back this year, that's my point. If you look at our recent history, our 5th place finish was unusual. We wouldn't be 'bouncing back' to that level. What's our average league position of the last 5/6 year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Swindon were in the Premier League once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 When did Everton flirt with relegation? About eight years ago? Yeah, they were 11th 8 years ago and 4th the year before that. Desperatley close to the edge. And the year before 4th they were 17th? So they went from 17th to 4th. I'm sure the team got a lot of stick for finishing 17th but they bounced back to show what they were capable of. My point still stands, a good team can have a bad season, we are a good team and we had a bad season, get over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Swindon were in the Premier League once. I remember how easy it was to collect all their stickers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Swindon were in the Premier League once. I remember how easy it was to collect all their stickers. Get any shinies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 we are not a good team like brett, not by a long margin...i rate the individuals we have but the manager is failing us with his ability to make them into a functioning team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Well Ben Arfa is a genius in my eyes, i'm not talking Messi standard, but for me he does things my eyes have never witnessed before and not sure they ever will again. Naismith isn't a top 8 player, just because he finished there with his team does not make him a top 8 player, teams go up and down, Everton have flirted with relegation then year after bounced up and finished top 8, teams can have poor seasons, this doesn't make them a poor team. Sometimes you underperform and don’t reach expectations, sometimes you can surpass expectations, one bad season doesn’t determine that a team isn’t good or the players haven't got quality. Everton have finished in the top 8 for the last 7 seasons. They're a top 8 team. Stop being delusional. They've done it on a budget too, they probably have a similar net spend to us. The main difference has been that they won't compromise when it comes to hiring a manager. Moyes has been followed by Martinez which is a far cry from the cheap as chips/old pals that Ashley tends to favour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Doesn't miss a trick: ‘We get criticised a lot for perhaps not overspending and not perhaps being a little bit more ambitious in terms of our signings. But you can look at those other situations where it has not gone well and Leeds are an example of that unfortunately.” taken from The Mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 On Moyes, you could argue that Pardew would be as good as him after a stable 8 or 9 years at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 When did Everton flirt with relegation? About eight years ago? Yeah, they were 11th 8 years ago and 4th the year before that. Desperatley close to the edge. And the year before 4th they were 17th? So they went from 17th to 4th. I'm sure the team got a lot of stick for finishing 17th but they bounced back to show what they were capable of. My point still stands, a good team can have a bad season, we are a good team and we had a bad season, get over it. You seem to be struggling with the idea of where our club has been finishing for the last 6 years. We're not a top 6 team who had an unusually bad season last year, we're very much a lower table Prem (and table topping CC) team who had an unusually good year the one before that. Nothing wrong with optimism but when it actually means you completely ignore glaring facts it becomes idiocy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 On Moyes, you could argue that Pardew would be as good as him after a stable 8 or 9 years at the club. You could argue that Kinnear might be as good given 8-9 years. It's not hard to speculate on pretty much anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 On Moyes, you could argue that Pardew would be as good as him after a stable 8 or 9 years at the club. How could you argue that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 we are not a good team like brett, not by a long margin...i rate the individuals we have but the manager is failing us with his ability to make them into a functioning team That's the biggest problem I think we have some quality individuals but not the team qualities that are required. Our organisation is all over the place when we don't have the ball and we appear uncoordinated at best when we are in possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 On Moyes, you could argue that Pardew would be as good as him after a stable 8 or 9 years at the club. If someone did try to argue that then it might be best to have them sectioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 On Moyes, you could argue that Pardew would be as good as him after a stable 8 or 9 years at the club. How could you argue that? I don't get that argument, Pardew has had nearly 3 years and has not really improved the way we play at all, we have gone backwards and don't look like we are developing as a squad with young players etc. We look more disorganised now than when he took over, he has failed to bring young players through into the squad and make a difference, he has not settled on a balanced formation and tactics. We basically just look disjointed more often than not and I don't expect any great improvement in next 3 or 4 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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