Mick Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The only outcome we've had that we'd not have expected or would have been predicted though is Hull at home. We were always massive second favourites at Man City and Everton will be favourites at home against everyone bar what most people would think will finish in the top 6. West Ham at home was as dull as dish water and that shouldn't be expected or accepted. Man City away, we didn't even bother to turn up which was the problem, not that we didn't come away with anything, it was the manner of the defeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 This percentage prozone stuff that tmonkey mentions is exactly how I see his planning translating onto the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 That has to be a wind up. We had a good 45 minutes, then nearly threw it away. Pardew should be judged on what happens in the derby IMO, if we lose he should be hounded out. Up against the weakest Sunderland team since they went down. 60 minutes. But, yes, he should definitely be judged on that one game. Forget what has happened (bad and good, please don't hit me), and what is yet to happen. The derby is the game for him to be judged on. You still ignoring his entire career before NUFC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I honestly don't know much about his previous career, except he was sacked. But everyone gets sacked. Fans I've spoken to have mixed feelings about him, some rate him and some don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. You wouldn't be happy if we got Mourinho or Guardiola then? They'd have to prove themselves here before you accept them? http://blogs.vso.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. You wouldn't be happy if we got Mourinho or Guardiola then? They'd have to prove themselves here before you accept them? http://blogs.vso.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. You wouldn't be happy if we got Mourinho or Guardiola then? They'd have to prove themselves here before you accept them? http://blogs.vso.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg What? To be fair, it's quite obvious what he's asking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 but he's got it all wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 If Wenger was to be interested I'd want him to have a trial period first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. You wouldn't be happy if we got Mourinho or Guardiola then? They'd have to prove themselves here before you accept them? http://blogs.vso.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg What? To be fair, it's quite obvious what he's asking. You're right, of course. Quite how he's got to that question from my post, I'm not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. You wouldn't be happy if we got Mourinho or Guardiola then? They'd have to prove themselves here before you accept them? http://blogs.vso.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg What? To be fair, it's quite obvious what he's asking. You're right, of course. Quite how he's got to that question from my post, I'm not sure. You're basically saying that the previous failings of a manager have no impact on how successful they'll be in the future? But I suppose you're in the belief that one day he might just work out how to be a good manager, despite proving time and time again that he hasn't got a clue. If Mourinho came in I'd be pretty confident that even with a couple of bad years with us, he's be able to turn it around, based on his previous success as a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. Which has been pretty dreadful for 14 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. You wouldn't be happy if we got Mourinho or Guardiola then? They'd have to prove themselves here before you accept them? http://blogs.vso.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg What? To be fair, it's quite obvious what he's asking. You're right, of course. Quite how he's got to that question from my post, I'm not sure. You're basically saying that the previous failings of a manager have no impact on how successful they'll be in the future? But I suppose you're in the belief that one day he might just work out how to be a good manager, despite proving time and time again that he hasn't got a clue. If Mourinho came in I'd be pretty confident that even with a couple of bad years with us, he's be able to turn it around, based on his previous success as a manager. No, I'm not. I'm saying I'll judge him on his time here by his results during his time here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. You wouldn't be happy if we got Mourinho or Guardiola then? They'd have to prove themselves here before you accept them? http://blogs.vso.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg What? To be fair, it's quite obvious what he's asking. You're right, of course. Quite how he's got to that question from my post, I'm not sure. You're basically saying that the previous failings of a manager have no impact on how successful they'll be in the future? But I suppose you're in the belief that one day he might just work out how to be a good manager, despite proving time and time again that he hasn't got a clue. If Mourinho came in I'd be pretty confident that even with a couple of bad years with us, he's be able to turn it around, based on his previous success as a manager. http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Mike-Ashley.jpg Anyone got Alan Curbishley's number!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Really, though? Again? Alright, yes, I will still judge Alan Pardew as Newcastle United manager based on his time as the manager of Newcastle United. You wouldn't be happy if we got Mourinho or Guardiola then? They'd have to prove themselves here before you accept them? http://blogs.vso.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg What? To be fair, it's quite obvious what he's asking. You're right, of course. Quite how he's got to that question from my post, I'm not sure. You're basically saying that the previous failings of a manager have no impact on how successful they'll be in the future? But I suppose you're in the belief that one day he might just work out how to be a good manager, despite proving time and time again that he hasn't got a clue. If Mourinho came in I'd be pretty confident that even with a couple of bad years with us, he's be able to turn it around, based on his previous success as a manager. Christ, are you really wanting to start this debate off again? Pardews previous jobs did not prove that time and time again that he hadn't got a clue. His record showed no small amount of success and a fair bit of promise punctured by a couple of collapses, one of which I'd only half lay at his door. He was certainly not a manager you could or should have written of entirely before his appointment here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Christ, are you really wanting to start this debate off again? Pardews previous jobs did not prove that time and time again that he hadn't got a clue. His record showed no small amount of success and a fair bit of promise punctured by a couple of collapses, one of which I'd only half lay at his door. He was certainly not a manager you could or should have written of entirely before his appointment here. Actually, he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Christ, are you really wanting to start this debate off again? Pardews previous jobs did not prove that time and time again that he hadn't got a clue. His record showed no small amount of success and a fair bit of promise punctured by a couple of collapses, one of which I'd only half lay at his door. He was certainly not a manager you could or should have written of entirely before his appointment here. Actually, he was. Been trying to give this thread as wide a berth as possible, but in fairness Mick, Pardew had and still does have, a pretty good reputation within the game. That's what really counts when you're managing professional footballers. The opinions of fans on or off the internet is very much secondary to that. I have no doubt that Pardew will sooner or later be pushed out of NUFC, but he won't be out of work for long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Been trying to give this thread as wide a berth as possible, but in fairness Mick, Pardew had and still does have, a pretty good reputation within the game. That's what really counts when you're managing professional footballers. The opinions of fans on or off the internet is very much secondary to that. I have no doubt that Pardew will sooner or later be pushed out of NUFC, but he won't be out of work for long. Managers reputations are build around media spin as much as anything and I agree with what you're saying about his reputation, at least being higher than it should be. As for the amount of time he'll be out of a job, so what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Christ, are you really wanting to start this debate off again? Pardews previous jobs did not prove that time and time again that he hadn't got a clue. His record showed no small amount of success and a fair bit of promise punctured by a couple of collapses, one of which I'd only half lay at his door. He was certainly not a manager you could or should have written of entirely before his appointment here. Actually, he was. Been trying to give this thread as wide a berth as possible, but in fairness Mick, Pardew had and still does have, a pretty good reputation within the game. That's what really counts when you're managing professional footballers. The opinions of fans on or off the internet is very much secondary to that. I have no doubt that Pardew will sooner or later be pushed out of NUFC, but he won't be out of work for long. Why would he be pushed out of NUFC, his remit is hardly demanding? Keep us up with a squad that is probably among the 8 most expensive in terms of value in the premier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Christ, are you really wanting to start this debate off again? Pardews previous jobs did not prove that time and time again that he hadn't got a clue. His record showed no small amount of success and a fair bit of promise punctured by a couple of collapses, one of which I'd only half lay at his door. He was certainly not a manager you could or should have written of entirely before his appointment here. Actually, he was. Been trying to give this thread as wide a berth as possible, but in fairness Mick, Pardew had and still does have, a pretty good reputation within the game. That's what really counts when you're managing professional footballers. The opinions of fans on or off the internet is very much secondary to that. I have no doubt that Pardew will sooner or later be pushed out of NUFC, but he won't be out of work for long. Just out of curiousity, what job do you hold 'within the game' to know the true thoughts of other professionals on him? Just asking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Christ, are you really wanting to start this debate off again? Pardews previous jobs did not prove that time and time again that he hadn't got a clue. His record showed no small amount of success and a fair bit of promise punctured by a couple of collapses, one of which I'd only half lay at his door. He was certainly not a manager you could or should have written of entirely before his appointment here. Actually, he was. Been trying to give this thread as wide a berth as possible, but in fairness Mick, Pardew had and still does have, a pretty good reputation within the game. That's what really counts when you're managing professional footballers. The opinions of fans on or off the internet is very much secondary to that. I have no doubt that Pardew will sooner or later be pushed out of NUFC, but he won't be out of work for long. Why would he be pushed out of NUFC, his remit is hardly demanding? Keep us up with a squad that is probably among the 8 most expensive in terms of value in the premier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Christ, are you really wanting to start this debate off again? Pardews previous jobs did not prove that time and time again that he hadn't got a clue. His record showed no small amount of success and a fair bit of promise punctured by a couple of collapses, one of which I'd only half lay at his door. He was certainly not a manager you could or should have written of entirely before his appointment here. Actually, he was. Been trying to give this thread as wide a berth as possible, but in fairness Mick, Pardew had and still does have, a pretty good reputation within the game. That's what really counts when you're managing professional footballers. The opinions of fans on or off the internet is very much secondary to that. I have no doubt that Pardew will sooner or later be pushed out of NUFC, but he won't be out of work for long. Why would he be pushed out of NUFC, his remit is hardly demanding? Keep us up with a squad that is probably among the 8 most expensive in terms of value in the premier. Very unlikely as far as fees but we do have the 8th highest wage bill in the league so he's got a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Just realised there's been 14 new pages in this thread in the last 3 days and it's nearly a fortnight since we even had a game! Now should I go back and read them all - decisions, decisions.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Christ, are you really wanting to start this debate off again? Pardews previous jobs did not prove that time and time again that he hadn't got a clue. His record showed no small amount of success and a fair bit of promise punctured by a couple of collapses, one of which I'd only half lay at his door. He was certainly not a manager you could or should have written of entirely before his appointment here. Actually, he was. Been trying to give this thread as wide a berth as possible, but in fairness Mick, Pardew had and still does have, a pretty good reputation within the game. That's what really counts when you're managing professional footballers. The opinions of fans on or off the internet is very much secondary to that. I have no doubt that Pardew will sooner or later be pushed out of NUFC, but he won't be out of work for long. Why would he be pushed out of NUFC, his remit is hardly demanding? Keep us up with a squad that is probably among the 8 most expensive in terms of value in the premier. Very unlikely as far as fees but we do have the 8th highest wage bill in the league so he's got a point. That's probably offset by our transfer profit - plus I imagine it's fictional anyway - our squad is pretty small and nobody is getting daft money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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