Alan Pardew

[Mattoon]

The stats were regarded as fairly accurate last year.

 

Funny that.

 

You should be politician or an arse licking snake.  You decide.

 

Not to detract from the fact that we're in agreement that the football is much better, disregarding the accurate stats from last year.

[Guest neesy111]

Wouldn't let a snake lick my arse like. No chance.

 

So what animal would you like?

[Foluwashola]

Wouldn't let a snake lick my arse like. No chance.

 

So what animal would you like?

 

Aardvark preferably. Deep penetration. You?

[Beren]

70 long balls per game? What an absolute load of shite that statistic is, because no team plays 70 long balls a game.

 

 

Remember the time HappyFace's homemade statistics/source had a non-integer for goals scored or sommat

 

Nah. Quote it.

 

Yes, boss.

 

If we shot from the halfway line every time we had the ball we'd clock up loads of shots.  It wouldn't be effective and I wouldn't want to watch it.

 

If?

 

Another imaginary counter argument.  Let's keep it real

 

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ptvziu.jpg

 

So outside of the top 7 only West Ham, Swansea and Southampton have had more efforts within the box.

 

An no, I'm not arguing that West Ham play pretty, attacking, cohesive, intricate football.  Any more than I am us.

 

How can sides take shots that don't result in integers, like?

 

Again, could be from the corner of the box. Trust your eyes, padawan - not that stats

 

T'was shots taken, not scored. I did say 'sommat'.

[Guest bimpy474]

The stats were regarded as fairly accurate last year.

 

Funny that.

 

The only thing which might have been agreed about was that we were probably the biggest offender, I doubt anybody regarded the numbers as being "fairly accurate."

 

Nobody thought to say so then but now they do.

 

Curious insight into mentality...

 

I wasn't posting here last year, but it looks like Wullie stole what I posted elsewhere anyway.....

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,92748.msg4037469.html#msg4037469

 

To be fair plenty of people took those stats in the vein that they should have been taken then, and should be taken now.  Nothing more than an interesting side note.  Felipao, OCK, Mlandro etc all said it's about what we can see week in and week out.

 

Plenty of people loved the shameful evidence of the desperate nature of our play though.

 

Fuck me, if you tasted nice you would definitely eat yourself. Long balls cant be defined by stats, what is a hoof, a pass or a clearance.

 

You know what they are ?, they are what we see with our own eyes and judgement. I think after watching years of football most of us on here can tell the difference. And last season we played turgid, hopeful long balls at a striker who heads it like he's wearing a crash helmet on backwards. We were shit.

 

And this season we have played much much less, in fact, I think only in the Man City cup game during the first 60 minutes, is the only time we've played long balls for any sustained time during a game, it's been far far better and I for one am very happy about it.

 

But you can shove the stats up your marmite motorway, they are bollocks compared the good people of this place and their own eyes and judgement. Except Brett, he's mental but lovable.

[Guest neesy111]

Wouldn't let a snake lick my arse like. No chance.

 

So what animal would you like?

 

Aardvark preferably. Deep penetration. You?

 

Same, funnily enough.

[Jack Flash]

We take the most shots from outside the box now.

[Guest neesy111]

We take the most shots from outside the box now.

 

 

STATS!!!!

[NEEJ]

Marmite motorway.

[Happy Face]

But you can shove the stats up your marmite motorway, they are bollocks compared the good people of this place and their own eyes and judgement. Expect Brett, he's mental but lovable.

 

You do know I never started this stat chat?

[Guest bimpy474]

But you can shove the stats up your marmite motorway, they are bollocks compared the good people of this place and their own eyes and judgement. Expect Brett, he's mental but lovable.

 

You do know I never started this stat chat?

 

That's like trying to deny the Holocaust, you are the reason.

 

For the stats not the Holocaust like.

[Happy Face]

T'was shots taken, not scored. I did say 'sommat'.

 

Ah right.

 

I did explain that at the time.

[Guest neesy111]

Yeap, like we didn't have useless graphs before you arrived Happy Face?

[Beren]

T'was shots taken, not scored. I did say 'sommat'.

 

Ah right.

 

I did explain that at the time.

 

Put down the shovel, man.

[Happy Face]

But you can shove the stats up your marmite motorway, they are bollocks compared the good people of this place and their own eyes and judgement. Expect Brett, he's mental but lovable.

 

You do know I never started this stat chat?

 

That's like trying to deny the Holocaust, you are the reason.

 

For the stats not the Holocaust like.

 

I'm the reason stats exist?  You're building me up here like.

 

[Guest bimpy474]

http://i.imgur.com/gPik4k9.png

[thomas]

Actually, eyewitness testimony is one of the poorest and least reliable forms of evidence we have, prone to all kinds of cognitive biases and errors of perception.

 

This doesn't mean stats aren't/can't be used in a misleading fashion, but "I done seen it with my own eyes" is almost always a poorer substitute tbh.

[Guest bimpy474]

Actually, eyewitness testimony is one of the poorest and least reliable forms of evidence we have, prone to all kinds of cognitive biases and errors of perception.

 

This doesn't mean stats aren't/can't be used in a misleading fashion, but "I done seen it with my own eyes" is almost always a poorer substitute tbh.

 

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[ponsaelius]

If I was to go on a murderous rampage it would probably be in the Squawka/Whoscored offices.

[merlin]

As most have said, yesterday's performance is an illustration of what many of us know - there are some quality players in our squad and, with a better manager, we would have a good chance of being top 6 challengers. The problems are that 1) There is no way Ashley would recruit a top manager and no way one would join us under Ashley's terms of employment although Di Matteo is reputedly interested.

2) We lack depth of quality - and numbers - in the squad which would allow a realistic challenge for honours because even a top manager would struggle when we got crucial injuries and Ashley wouldn't spend the necessary money required in order to strengthen the squad sufficiently.

 

Having said all that, I still think that a decent manager could get us into top 8 and, given a run of luck with injuries, challenging for 5th place - we are ridiculously inconsistent and shouldn't be with the quality of players available when most are fit.

 

All of the established top 6 sides have at least one forward who cost £20m+ while  we have spent about that amount on strikers in the entire time Ashley has been here. We do not currently have a competant centre forward at the club and Ameobi started again yesterday. Aside from Remy and Ben Arfa our attacking players look rank average to poor, and at the back the likes of Williamson and Dummett get a game. I cannot believe anyone thinks we would be a top 6 side if it wasn't for the manager.

 

You cannot dismiss Remy and HBA as if they weren't part of the squad - they are and therefore my point stands. Remy would be capable of 15-20 goals a season IF given the right service and if you read my post properly, you will see that I mention Ashley's lack of investment as a reason why we wouldn't be a major force.

Nevertheless, I stand by what I said - GIVEN A RUN FREE OF INJURIES, we could, under a better manager, be Top 8 and poss Top 6.....we are unlikely to see either of those scenarios achieved so the theory may not be put to the test.

 

Surely, you are not saying that Pardew is doing as well as any manager could do...are you 1??

[Darth Crooks]

Heard a guy on talksport say 'alan pardew, what a manager'  commentator like.

[themanupstairs]

Actually, eyewitness testimony is one of the poorest and least reliable forms of evidence we have, prone to all kinds of cognitive biases and errors of perception.

 

This doesn't mean stats aren't/can't be used in a misleading fashion, but "I done seen it with my own eyes" is almost always a poorer substitute tbh.

 

I reckon that's true over a short period of time, or a specific incident. Watching a team for an entire season though, year on year, allows for a more accurate perception and less cognitive bias as the evidence is spread out. Provided of course that you witness the events with close enough attention to whatever it is you're looking at.

[DJ_NUFC]

The balls this cunt has. "For Mike Ashley..."

 

Unbelievable.

 

"This is for me boss, like, it's his birthday..."

[Dr Venkman]

 

70 long balls per game? What an absolute load of shite that statistic is, because no team plays 70 long balls a game.

 

 

Remember the time HappyFace's homemade statistics/source had a non-integer for goals scored or sommat

 

That's nowt, he posted a set of stats that 'explained' why Pardew kept playing Jonas on the wing

[Dr Venkman]

 

Actually, eyewitness testimony is one of the poorest and least reliable forms of evidence we have, prone to all kinds of cognitive biases and errors of perception.

 

This doesn't mean stats aren't/can't be used in a misleading fashion, but "I done seen it with my own eyes" is almost always a poorer substitute tbh.

 

I reckon that's true over a short period of time, or a specific incident. Watching a team for an entire season though, year on year, allows for a more accurate perception and less cognitive bias as the evidence is spread out. Provided of course that you witness the events with close enough attention to whatever it is you're looking at.

 

Add in the fact that there's LOADS of eyewitnesses as well.