Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I never said YOU hadn't contributed to the debate and gave no indication as to whether or not I agreed with any point you made. And no, you aren't allowed to find anything funny. Anyway aye, cool story, I'm boring myself now Boring Hans is Boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Jesus wept, we had the exact same argument 26 pages ago, yesterday. This thread is a f***ing abortion. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,93975.6375.html People popping up to say stuff like this makes it for me. I did it last time too, I dont think I can stop. I'd suggest you start another discussion in here so people can change towards that topic, because as of now there's nothing else to do other than repeating the same arguments the same way Pardew repeats the same mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 My problem with using a shots statistic is not that poor shots can add to the shot count but the types of thing it misses out. A player going one on one but being run out of play by the goalkeeper, a ball fizzed across the face just in front of a centre forward, a ball pulled back from the by line and cut out, an easy shooting chance where a player passes instead. How often has it been said of Arsenal that they try and walk it in? Whereas some teams will try more speculative efforts as they know it's the only way of getting it near the opposition goal. It's simply not a measure of how many chances a team creates that stands up to even the most basic scrutiny. So adjusting for that might change Arsenal's ranking. It might not and even if it did, with Arsenal above us it wouldn't change ours so whilst interesting its irrelevant. You'll have to do the playing style of all 20 teams and justify in principle why the relationship differs for each one before we'd want to test how much the ranking changes. Which leaves us with a valid statistic until you do. As i said yesterday, us not creating chances isn't the issue for me and i think the stats posted very much support that. I also agree we look shit for long periods and Pardew has been v poor this season. The general shitness is the elephant in the room. IMO Ba and Hatem's devil may care brilliance covered over a lot of cracks last year, which have become abundantly clearer as time has gone on without those two. The other thing is that it's either Cisse doesn't get enought service (style or tactical issue) or his finishing is very hit and miss...I also became aware that the new players would need time to gel after the first couple of honeymoon games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I still don't get what HF is on about. He's saying the stats show that Pards isn't as bad as we make out he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Jesus wept, we had the exact same argument 26 pages ago, yesterday. This thread is a fucking abortion. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,93975.6375.html People popping up to say stuff like this makes it for me. I did it last time too, I dont think I can stop. Kind of wish this whole forum could just be shut down until at least our first summer signing/sale. The same regurgitated tripe every day, but it seems I'm addicted to regurgitated tripe. Think its like me mam's addiction to Casualty. She must kna in her heart of hearts that its going to be the same rubbish as last week and Charlie still won't find the love he craves, but she tunes in. We need a big new storyline. In short, Dave is Charlie off of Casualty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I'm still baffled by that comment from Pardew about getting Tiote OUT of the habit of just winning it and giving it. He seems to have been worse and worse since then. It's all he should be doing as far as I'm concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Kind of wish this whole forum could just be shut down until at least our first summer signing/sale. The same regurgitated tripe every day, but it seems I'm addicted to regurgitated tripe. Think its like me mam's addiction to Casualty. She must kna in her heart of hearts that its going to be the same rubbish as last week and Charlie still won't find the love he craves, but she tunes in. We need a big new storyline. In short, Dave is Charlie off of Casualty. That post is crazy, are you forced to come on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Jesus wept, we had the exact same argument 26 pages ago, yesterday. This thread is a f***ing abortion. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,93975.6375.html People popping up to say stuff like this makes it for me. I did it last time too, I dont think I can stop. Kind of wish this whole forum could just be shut down until at least our first summer signing/sale. The same regurgitated tripe every day, but it seems I'm addicted to regurgitated tripe. Think its like me mam's addiction to Casualty. She must kna in her heart of hearts that its going to be the same rubbish as last week and Charlie still won't find the love he craves, but she tunes in. We need a big new storyline. In short, Dave is Charlie off of Casualty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Jesus wept, we had the exact same argument 26 pages ago, yesterday. This thread is a fucking abortion. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,93975.6375.html People popping up to say stuff like this makes it for me. I did it last time too, I dont think I can stop. Kind of wish this whole forum could just be shut down until at least our first summer signing/sale. The same regurgitated tripe every day, but it seems I'm addicted to regurgitated tripe. Think its like me mam's addiction to Casualty. She must kna in her heart of hearts that its going to be the same rubbish as last week and Charlie still won't find the love he craves, but she tunes in. We need a big new storyline. In short, Dave is Charlie off of Casualty. You know where the door is, use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Has anyone from Toontastic complimented Chez yet? I've got one written but I didn't want to be double counting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I still don't get what HF is on about. He's saying the stats show that Pards isn't as bad as we make out he is. At the same time he does also say it stats are used to compromise your own ideas. In the end anyone who has seen us play this season know we've been absolute garbage for 80% of the season. Kind of wish this whole forum could just be shut down until at least our first summer signing/sale. The same regurgitated tripe every day, but it seems I'm addicted to regurgitated tripe. Think its like me mam's addiction to Casualty. She must kna in her heart of hearts that its going to be the same rubbish as last week and Charlie still won't find the love he craves, but she tunes in. We need a big new storyline. In short, Dave is Charlie off of Casualty. That post is crazy, are you forced to come on here? It's Foluwashola man, what'd you expect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Not sure DCI Mick and the rest of the patter police even read that post. I'm out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I still don't get what HF is on about. He's saying the stats show that Pards isn't as bad as we make out he is. But the football does.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Has anyone from Toontastic complimented Chez yet? I've got one written but I didn't want to be double counting. Yourself, Chez and HF were always quality posters here. Wish you'd all come here more often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I'm still baffled by that comment from Pardew about getting Tiote OUT of the habit of just winning it and giving it. He seems to have been worse and worse since then. It's all he should be doing as far as I'm concerned. Interesting to know if he still believes that, it was ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Has anyone from Toontastic complimented Chez yet? I've got one written but I didn't want to be double counting. Yourself, Chez and HF were always quality posters here. Wish you'd all come here more often. Pleased to see y'all knocking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Not sure DCI Mick and the rest of the patter police even read that post. I'm out. Please stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Has anyone from Toontastic complimented Chez yet? I've got one written but I didn't want to be double counting. Yourself, Chez and HF were always quality posters here. Wish you'd all come here more often. Whoa, a tripler? Who are you on Toontastic then? Btw Wullie and Dave (to a lesser extent). You've become very cynical blokes. You used to be full of life (Wullie to a lesser extent ). The Internet has aged you both terribly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Has anyone from Toontastic complimented Chez yet? I've got one written but I didn't want to be double counting. Yourself, Chez and HF were always quality posters here. Wish you'd all come here more often. Whoa, a tripler? Who are you on Toontastic then? Btw Wullie and Dave (to a lesser extent). You've become very cynical blokes. You used to be full of life (Wullie to a lesser extent ). The Internet has aged you both terribly. I'm not, but I used to be billytray on here. Probably time to return to my former name come to think of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Ah right aye, I remember that name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Ah right aye, I remember that name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Ah right aye, I remember that name. Aye, that was my thought too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I've got an unbelievable memory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 This thread has gone ever so slightly off topic and has improved tenfold as a result.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I still don't get what HF is on about. He's saying the stats show that Pards isn't as bad as we make out he is. I'm saying we can surely dig a little deeper than JUST that "He's shit" Pardew is still pummelled for favouring hoof ball. Despite us generally not actually resorting to it until late on in games. I say that's the poorer players last line of defence. Not Pardews "vision". Even if you think we have played hoofball all game every game, I think that's become less valid as the season has worn on. We are MUCH less reliant upon it. But complaints about it have kept rising because lazy people criticise our perceived problems rather than the actual ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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