Alan Pardew

[TheGuv]

I find it insane that people think that our serial failure would do better if he could buy his own players, it hasn't really helped him in the past.

 

 

Carlton Cole would be an excellent addition to our squad though!

[alexf]

If he in any way mentions "tired bodies" should we lose to West Ham I'm not sure i'll be able to handle it

 

Also this flies to france to talk with Mike Ashley sounds like a cover story (fingers crossed) because if it's not then this so called "gameplan" is just going to be them thinking how do we make it look like we tried hard to get bodies in after Cabaye goes.

[merlin]

I find it insane that people think that our serial failure would do better if he could buy his own players, it hasn't really helped him in the past.

 

It's as if some people have never heard of Pardew before he came here.

 

This - I cannot believe how many people are prepared to overlook his record at other clubs which is similar to the one he has here...starts OK, peaks, then everything collapses.

 

Also, this stuff about 'a manager that is a fit with our players' is tripe in my HO....a decent manager looks at the squad he has and determines each player's strengths and weaknesses ; he then incorporates these skills into a team plan which is going to be most productive with the players available.

 

He does NOT keep trying to put square pegs into round holes, or make racehorses do Carthorse work - Pardew keeps doing this all the time. Look how teams can look totally different under a new manager...KK put confidence and fire back into our players when he arrived at SJP in Feb 92 when we were in freefall under Ardiles. Keegan DID buy a few players when we were safe at the end of that season, Beresford and Venison among them , but there weren't really wholesale changes at first but results and performances were a world apart.

Look how Lambert has transformed Villa.....

 

We need a new and BETTER manager and we would be at least confident in being Top 10.

[merlin]

Another excellent post. People appear blinded by their hatred for Pardew and they can't see the wood for the trees. He's not our only problem, nor is he our biggest. We have a squad that lacks numbers and quality and that mismatches our manager's style of play. On top of that we have an owner who doesn't give a f***, and a Director of Football who is utterly clueless and only after the manager's job. And then we are surprised and point to the manager when things don't go to plan..

 

Nobody - least of all me - is under the impression that all the squad are good enough and we do have some significant weaknesses ...in that case, questions should be asked about Carr's judgment because he is the one recommending these players and most on here are happy to trumpet his signings 'in Carr we trust'...etc etc. However, this cannot disguise the fact that Pardew's use of the players is not working and they look shadows of the players they can be and should be. They are either unhappy at the club or unhappy with the manager's methods - look at Cisse, Cabaye, Tiote, Debuchy etc etc...every one now a worse player than when they arrived at SJP and I am willing to bet that some of these players will look different class if they join other clubs with better managers - AND a more professional set-up.

[Unbelievable]

I find it insane that people think that our serial failure would do better if he could buy his own players, it hasn't really helped him in the past.

 

It's as if some people have never heard of Pardew before he came here.

 

You find it insane to suggest Pardew "would do better" (your words) if he could buy his own players, really? Last summer he asked for a full back and got a dimunitive defensive midfield player unsuited to his preferred style of play and who he clearly still doesn't rate or trust. This summer he has asked for Premiership experience and has mentioned specific names: Carroll, Bent and Downing. All players who were available and have transfered from one club to another. The Bent saga specifically suggest we were never seriously in for him. The club is deliberately ignoring his requests and going for what they perceive as bargains regardless of position and fit to the manager's style of play. Under these conditions, how can you be surprised the manager fails? If it was the other way around, i.e. we had Laudrup as manager but only bought Stoke type players, I'm pretty certain you would see the point I'm trying to make..

[Darth Crooks]

Then I would argue Laudrup is an astute enough manager tactically and intelligent enough to make the appropriate adaptations and decisions in order to make it effective. Pardew is decidedly less so; thus a massive hinderance to his success in this situation. I don't think anyone will disagree that he is being shafted. However we are emotionally invested and stuck with Ashley, whereas he knew what he was climbing into bed with when he joined. Why? because he's a very limited manager who was given the opportunity to play for a club bigger than he has ever managed.

 

The problem is he is rubbish and that is compounded by the fact that he has an owner who doesn't care/won't invest sufficiently on business grounds/makes mind-boggling decisions. The fact he is still in a job and a 'professional' such as this tolerated is just one facet of why this club is the endemic clusterfuck that it is. Until everyone who is now part of the club hierarchy and players who don't want to be here are gone and replaced by people who have hunger and ambition then we'll be finger pointing until the cows come home. Ashley ultimately is responsible for the lot of course; beyond that it's tricky but Pardew is high up imo.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We've created quite a weird hybrid situation for ourselves IMO, it's probably the worst of both worlds. Signing good quality players for good prices, getting them on long contracts - that should in theory mean the squad persists for a long time despite any changes in manager. But then we go and give a massive contract to an average manager at the same time.

 

Possibly the answer is that Pardew isn't as unsackable as everyone thinks, and Ashley is just giving him another chance for now.

[Incognito]

Then I would argue Laudrup is an astute enough manager tactically and intelligent enough to make the appropriate adaptations and decisions in order to make it effective. Pardew is decidedly less so; thus a massive hinderance to his success in this situation. I don't think anyone will disagree that he is being shafted. However we are emotionally invested and stuck with Ashley, whereas he knew what he was climbing into bed with when he joined. Why? because he's a very limited manager who was given the opportunity to play for a club bigger than he has ever managed.

 

The problem is he is rubbish and that is compounded by the fact that he has an owner who doesn't care/won't invest sufficiently on business grounds/makes mind-boggling decisions. The fact he is still in a job and a 'professional' such as this tolerated is just one facet of why this club is the endemic clusterfuck that it is. Until everyone who is now part of the club hierarchy and players who don't want to be here are gone and replaced by people who have hunger and ambition then we'll be finger pointing until the cows come home. Ashley ultimately is responsible for the lot of course; beyond that it's tricky but Pardew is high up imo.

 

Fine post. Yep, all of our hierarchy either don't give a flying turd or are utterly inefficient at their jobs. Except Graham Carr.

[Unbelievable]

Then I would argue Laudrup is an astute enough manager tactically and intelligent enough to make the appropriate adaptations and decisions in order to make it effective. Pardew is decidedly less so; thus a massive hinderance to his success in this situation. I don't think anyone will disagree that he is being shafted. However we are emotionally invested and stuck with Ashley, whereas he knew what he was climbing into bed with when he joined. Why? because he's a very limited manager who was given the opportunity to play for a club bigger than he has ever managed.

 

The problem is he is rubbish and that is compounded by the fact that he has an owner who doesn't care/won't invest sufficiently on business grounds/makes mind-boggling decisions. The fact he is still in a job and a 'professional' such as this tolerated is just one facet of why this club is the endemic clusterfuck that it is. Until everyone who is now part of the club hierarchy and players who don't want to be here are gone and replaced by people who have hunger and ambition then we'll be finger pointing until the cows come home. Ashley ultimately is responsible for the lot of course; beyond that it's tricky but Pardew is high up imo.

 

Put Laudrup in front of the Stoke squad and you are sure you wouldn't once think "hang in, this manager would do better if he was allowed to identify his own transfer targets"..?

 

100% agree with the rest of hour post. Once again, I am not defending Pardew, just arguing that he is being hung out to dry, which doesn't help an already limited manager, and merely replacing him (with one of the likely candidates) is unlikely to see us reach our potential. Our problems run much deeper.

[Unbelievable]

We've created quite a weird hybrid situation for ourselves IMO, it's probably the worst of both worlds. Signing good quality players for good prices, getting them on long contracts - that should in theory mean the squad persists for a long time despite any changes in manager. But then we go and give a massive contract to an average manager at the same time.

 

Possibly the answer is that Pardew isn't as unsackable as everyone thinks, and Ashley is just giving him another chance for now.

 

That sound very promising until you realise his successor has already been brought in, and is even more useless.

[Darth Crooks]

Then I would argue Laudrup is an astute enough manager tactically and intelligent enough to make the appropriate adaptations and decisions in order to make it effective. Pardew is decidedly less so; thus a massive hinderance to his success in this situation. I don't think anyone will disagree that he is being shafted. However we are emotionally invested and stuck with Ashley, whereas he knew what he was climbing into bed with when he joined. Why? because he's a very limited manager who was given the opportunity to play for a club bigger than he has ever managed.

 

The problem is he is rubbish and that is compounded by the fact that he has an owner who doesn't care/won't invest sufficiently on business grounds/makes mind-boggling decisions. The fact he is still in a job and a 'professional' such as this tolerated is just one facet of why this club is the endemic clusterfuck that it is. Until everyone who is now part of the club hierarchy and players who don't want to be here are gone and replaced by people who have hunger and ambition then we'll be finger pointing until the cows come home. Ashley ultimately is responsible for the lot of course; beyond that it's tricky but Pardew is high up imo.

 

Put Laudrup in front of the Stoke squad and you are sure you wouldn't once think "hang in, this manager would do better if he was allowed to identify his own transfer targets"..?

 

100% agree with the rest of hour post. Once again, I am not defending Pardew, just arguing that he is being hung out to dry, which doesn't help an already limited manager, and merely replacing him (with one of the likely candidates) is unlikely to see us reach our potential. Our problems run much deeper.

 

Think we're pretty close on the last bit together. Though I would find it weird for anyone not to be. I find the Laudrup thing hard to consider because it's purely hypothesis and well, frankly he is a much better manager imo. It's further clouded by the belief that Laudrup picks players based on a philosophy that creates effective football, whereas Pardew seems to aim for more journeyman types that fit a less effective ethos. I know your saying that if he could pick his players we might do better, but there a re too many other variables that make that comparison an odd one. He signed Michu (best signing in recent years) and Hernandez whereas Pardew has frequently aimed for the likes of Carroll and Darren Bent; and signed cast-offs like Obertan. I don't know. He's a better manger who knows what a better player is?

[Dr Venkman]

 

Then I would argue Laudrup is an astute enough manager tactically and intelligent enough to make the appropriate adaptations and decisions in order to make it effective. Pardew is decidedly less so; thus a massive hinderance to his success in this situation. I don't think anyone will disagree that he is being shafted. However we are emotionally invested and stuck with Ashley, whereas he knew what he was climbing into bed with when he joined. Why? because he's a very limited manager who was given the opportunity to play for a club bigger than he has ever managed.

 

The problem is he is rubbish and that is compounded by the fact that he has an owner who doesn't care/won't invest sufficiently on business grounds/makes mind-boggling decisions. The fact he is still in a job and a 'professional' such as this tolerated is just one facet of why this club is the endemic clusterfuck that it is. Until everyone who is now part of the club hierarchy and players who don't want to be here are gone and replaced by people who have hunger and ambition then we'll be finger pointing until the cows come home. Ashley ultimately is responsible for the lot of course; beyond that it's tricky but Pardew is high up imo.

 

Put Laudrup in front of the Stoke squad and you are sure you wouldn't once think "hang in, this manager would do better if he was allowed to identify his own transfer targets"..?

 

100% agree with the rest of hour post. Once again, I am not defending Pardew, just arguing that he is being hung out to dry, which doesn't help an already limited manager, and merely replacing him (with one of the likely candidates) is unlikely to see us reach our potential. Our problems run much deeper.

 

He's not being hung out to dry though. He's performing the role to the exact specifications he was given when he was offered the job.

[Unbelievable]

 

Then I would argue Laudrup is an astute enough manager tactically and intelligent enough to make the appropriate adaptations and decisions in order to make it effective. Pardew is decidedly less so; thus a massive hinderance to his success in this situation. I don't think anyone will disagree that he is being shafted. However we are emotionally invested and stuck with Ashley, whereas he knew what he was climbing into bed with when he joined. Why? because he's a very limited manager who was given the opportunity to play for a club bigger than he has ever managed.

 

The problem is he is rubbish and that is compounded by the fact that he has an owner who doesn't care/won't invest sufficiently on business grounds/makes mind-boggling decisions. The fact he is still in a job and a 'professional' such as this tolerated is just one facet of why this club is the endemic clusterfuck that it is. Until everyone who is now part of the club hierarchy and players who don't want to be here are gone and replaced by people who have hunger and ambition then we'll be finger pointing until the cows come home. Ashley ultimately is responsible for the lot of course; beyond that it's tricky but Pardew is high up imo.

 

Put Laudrup in front of the Stoke squad and you are sure you wouldn't once think "hang in, this manager would do better if he was allowed to identify his own transfer targets"..?

 

100% agree with the rest of hour post. Once again, I am not defending Pardew, just arguing that he is being hung out to dry, which doesn't help an already limited manager, and merely replacing him (with one of the likely candidates) is unlikely to see us reach our potential. Our problems run much deeper.

 

He's not being hung out to dry though. He's performing the role to the exact specifications he was given when he was offered the job.

 

That is the cynical theory where Ashley is just deliberately bleeding us dry. I sometimes adhere to that theory, but mostly I feel he is just utterly clueless, which is hardly better.

[r0cafella]

I find it insane that people think that our serial failure would do better if he could buy his own players, it hasn't really helped him in the past.

 

It's as if some people have never heard of Pardew before he came here.

 

You find it insane to suggest Pardew "would do better" (your words) if he could buy his own players, really? Last summer he asked for a full back and got a dimunitive defensive midfield player unsuited to his preferred style of play and who he clearly still doesn't rate or trust. This summer he has asked for Premiership experience and has mentioned specific names: Carroll, Bent and Downing. All players who were available and have transfered from one club to another. The Bent saga specifically suggest we were never seriously in for him. The club is deliberately ignoring his requests and going for what they perceive as bargains regardless of position and fit to the manager's style of play. Under these conditions, how can you be surprised the manager fails? If it was the other way around, i.e. we had Laudrup as manager but only bought Stoke type players, I'm pretty certain you would see the point I'm trying to make..

 

He's got his fullback in January and he's made him into one of the worst full backs in the premier league.

 

The facts just don't bear it out sadly the man is full of shit.

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

No it isn't. It's the theory involving Pardew being brought in primarily because they wanted a manager who would agree to having no say on transfers, in or out. Why else would you appoint Alan Pardew?

[r0cafella]

Pardew saying their is money to spend:

 

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/pardew-i-will-splash-cash-even-if-cabaye-stays-1-5978685

[Bowie]

I find it insane that people think that our serial failure would do better if he could buy his own players, it hasn't really helped him in the past.

 

It's as if some people have never heard of Pardew before he came here.

 

You find it insane to suggest Pardew "would do better" (your words) if he could buy his own players, really? Last summer he asked for a full back and got a dimunitive defensive midfield player unsuited to his preferred style of play and who he clearly still doesn't rate or trust. This summer he has asked for Premiership experience and has mentioned specific names: Carroll, Bent and Downing. All players who were available and have transfered from one club to another. The Bent saga specifically suggest we were never seriously in for him. The club is deliberately ignoring his requests and going for what they perceive as bargains regardless of position and fit to the manager's style of play. Under these conditions, how can you be surprised the manager fails? If it was the other way around, i.e. we had Laudrup as manager but only bought Stoke type players, I'm pretty certain you would see the point I'm trying to make..

 

He's got his fullback in January and he's made him into one of the worst full backs in the premier league.

 

The facts just don't bear it out sadly the man is full of shit.

 

Gabriel Obertan

[r0cafella]

And to those saying we have a poor/overrated team lets have a look at a potential first team:

 

                              Krul

Debuchy        Colo          Mbiwa          Santon

                              Anita

                  Cabaye      Moussa

Ben Arfa                                            Remy

                          Cisse

 

Subs:

Elliot

Taylor

Dummett

Tiote

Marveux

Gouffran

Jonas.

 

That's a top 10 team at the very worse.

[sempuki]

On about not needing to sell to buy (right!) and a "movable feast" again. What on earth is that? Sounds like he is going/gone mad.

[ExiledGeordie]

Pardew saying their is money to spend:

 

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/pardew-i-will-splash-cash-even-if-cabaye-stays-1-5978685

 

I can't take anything he says on transfers seriously because he has absolutely zero say in what happens. I'm already expecting the "well it's difficult to get players over the line and we have a strong squad as it is". He's already been peddling the line about having to make do and life is tough sometimes. Just constant tedious waffle.

[sempuki]

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/pardew-i-will-splash-cash-even-if-cabaye-stays-1-5978685#.UhcPiSRfZyw.twitter

 

We are ready to start the radar and get monitoring....

[r0cafella]

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/pardew-i-will-splash-cash-even-if-cabaye-stays-1-5978685#.UhcPiSRfZyw.twitter

 

We are ready to start the radar and get monitoring....

 

3 in by saturday.

 

It's christmas eve lads cheer up.

[NG32]

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/pardew-i-will-splash-cash-even-if-cabaye-stays-1-5978685#.UhcPiSRfZyw.twitter

 

We are ready to start the radar and get monitoring....

 

More words. Blah blah blah

[thomas]

a moveable feast

[BrettNUFC]

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/pardew-i-will-splash-cash-even-if-cabaye-stays-1-5978685#.UhcPiSRfZyw.twitter

 

We are ready to start the radar and get monitoring....

 

More words. Blah blah blah

 

Guessing there isn't a line to dissect in this interview to slate him for and since it's positive it's ‘blah blah blah’. If he's negative, it's an excuse, if he's positive he's talking shit. Just ignore his quotes in the press if you’re just going to slate them everyday.