NG32 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 f***s sake woke up and saw the sacking headline. Knew it was too good to be true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Agreed, that's why I'm hoping we're not about to enter one of those patches and will pull out the odd surprise result. Because the alternative is getting to the Norwich game, hoping you can turn form around and before you know it you're at Christmas/New Year still hovering around the bottom. If Ashley was predictable enough for me to know Pardew would be sacked after another couple of losses (and a good option brought in as his successor) then I'd perhaps have mixed feelings, but as it stands my main concern is that we plod along and avoid the ignominy of another relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 A lot of people predicted a season like we're having, a couple of good results following by a couple of bad ones. No real consistency, but not sure if it will be bad enough to get Pardew sacked. Who knows what Ashley is thinking obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heake Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Such is the current state of the club I doubt whether we`d gain any tangible benefits from sacking him. He`s desperately "short of the mark" as a manager at this level but Ashleys recruitment record suggests we`d probably take another two steps backward should he give him the boot. Ashleys NUFC`s prime function is to appease the accountants & has no real aspirations to achieve silverware, this is on record. As a consequence, we get the food we need to survive & anymore is a waste - The appointment of JFK to oversee the summers "underspend" is, I believe, testament to this. Sacking Partridge makes sense in footballing terms, but the odds are we`ll not go down & as long as he continue`s to provide premiership football we will operate as an insipid pale shadow of the club we were a decade or so ago. The fans remain both the problem & the solution in this scenario in that the will for change is there but the militancy required to bring about a change is not (Generally speaking). I didn't enjoy any of last night, I used to, even when we got beat it was usually a close affair, but its just fucking soul destroying at that moment. & it only Tuesday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The problem is that there are more tough fixtures now than ever. It used to be the case that there would only be 3 or 4 games that you'd subconsciously write off and hope for the best, the rest of them you'd assume you'd have a good/average/fair chance of a result of some sort. Now you've got 7 sides that are excellent/good (Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Everton) which is over a third of your fixtures straight away, then you've got a number of really decent sides that can turn anyone over on their day such as Swansea, Southampton, West Brom, Norwich, Villa, etc. That's why you really need to be winning home games against the likes of Hull and West Ham, there aren't as many 'easy' fixtures later on to get yourself out of the shit. On the other hand, I can see the points required to stay up decreasing the more that that top 7 gets better and pulls away from the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 A lot of people predicted a season like we're having, a couple of good results following by a couple of bad ones. No real consistency, but not sure if it will be bad enough to get Pardew sacked. Who knows what Ashley is thinking obviously. Without meaning to be pedantic we've only really had 1 good win and that was away to Villa. That was also their 3rd league loss on the bounce so perhaps they were suffering a bit. I would have expected us to get a result against Fulham. Don't know if you thought we would. They are currently 3rd from bottom so not proving much kop this season. Villa away was the only decent performance so far from us. That's 1 in 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We've been appalling so far this season, no other way to put it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 A lot of people predicted a season like we're having, a couple of good results following by a couple of bad ones. No real consistency, but not sure if it will be bad enough to get Pardew sacked. Who knows what Ashley is thinking obviously. Without meaning to be pedantic we've only really had 1 good win and that was away to Villa. That was also their 3rd league loss on the bounce so perhaps they were suffering a bit. I would have expected us to get a result against Fulham. Don't know if you thought we would. They are currently 3rd from bottom so not proving much kop this season. Villa away was the only decent performance so far from us. That's 1 in 8. my response to ian's post was going to be that come norwich we might have < 12 points from what, 12 games (?) and have to dig ourselves out of a rut - which pardew has shown last season he can't do unless ashley wasn't watching last season he should can him if that's our points return at that stage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 We've been appalling so far this season, no other way to put it. What I would like to ask those who see NUFC on a regular basis, is this: Has the team improved one iota since Pardew replaced Hughton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This rumour that he has offered to quit.... why not just do it instead of asking your boss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Villa performance was good. Rest have been average or bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This rumour that he has offered to quit.... why not just do it instead of asking your boss? Not giving that rumour any credence but it might be that he suffers a financal penalty by resigning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The problem is that there are more tough fixtures now than ever. It used to be the case that there would only be 3 or 4 games that you'd subconsciously write off and hope for the best, the rest of them you'd assume you'd have a good/average/fair chance of a result of some sort. Now you've got 7 sides that are excellent/good (Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Everton) which is over a third of your fixtures straight away, then you've got a number of really decent sides that can turn anyone over on their day such as Swansea, Southampton, West Brom, Norwich, Villa, etc. That's why you really need to be winning home games against the likes of Hull and West Ham, there aren't as many 'easy' fixtures later on to get yourself out of the shit. On the other hand, I can see the points required to stay up decreasing the more that that top 7 gets better and pulls away from the rest. I think that's an important point. There used to be as few bankers for wins a while back, but other than Crystal Palace you are struggling to find them now. Norwich, Southampton and Swansea probably aren't man for man better than us in terms of squad depth, but they are led by better managers. Hughton's under pressure from their home fans but his teams are far better organised than ours...and he's a very mediocre manager in the first place. As for Pochettino, he'll wipe the floor with Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The fact he now has pundits on tv like last night being utterly baffled about how poor we are defensively, picking apart basic stuff like team shape and how it was the opposite to what Pardew had said pre-match etc. I think that will start to help sway those that haven't figured out for themselves yet that he is a poor manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Think the tide in the press is turning very rapidly on AP now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The fact he now has pundits on tv like last night being utterly baffled about how poor we are defensively, picking apart basic stuff like team shape and how it was the opposite to what Pardew had said pre-match etc. I think that will start to help sway those that haven't figured out for themselves yet that he is a poor manager. It is definitely happening more often, the spotlight is starting to be turned on him more. He's luckily that there's always a bigger managerial story around really. Moyes, Di Canio, Jol etc take up all the column inches at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Think the tide in the press is turning very rapidly on AP now. I saw a tweet from someone last night (Mark Duffy) who said the press are ready to put knives into Pardew now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I bet when we finally get rid (please god) their will be no decent managers left available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Think the tide in the press is turning very rapidly on AP now. I saw a tweet from someone last night (Mark Duffy) who said the press are ready to put knives into Pardew now. Did they get a green light from the press ombudsman or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Think the tide in the press is turning very rapidly on AP now. I saw a tweet from someone last night (Mark Duffy) who said the press are ready to put knives into Pardew now. Did they get a green light from the press ombudsman or something? I haven't seen anyone speak badly about him in the press. He has had such a easy ride the media have sucked up his multitude of excuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Albeit only 6 games in, we are playing worse than last season (actually and statistically) and currently sit in 16th, where we finished last season, with no Europa or extra games in the summer as an excuse. Stats: Average Goals Scored Per Game: 2011/2012 1.47 2012/2013 1.18 2013/2014 1.17 Average Goals Conceded Per Game: 2011/2012 1.34 2012/2013 1.79 2013/2014 1.83 (at this rate nearly 70 goals over a season!) All the stats are going in the wrong direction. Surely its only a matter of time. We've had a lot of stats thrown at us recently and none of them have meant a damned thing because they took only a small part of the game in isolation. The point of this game is to score more goals than the opposition and ultimately get more points than the opposition. I hate stats, they just don't show the full picture of a complex dance which is a football match. Over time, as the sample size increases, there may be broad conclusions you can draw from the raw numbers taken in concert with each other but they will never replace what you see with your own eyes. We are football fans, not mathematicians. Numbers can never replicate the depth of understanding we get from just watching a game. How do you blend together a stat on long balls played with shots on target with aerial duels won with tackles made in the defensive third with number of corners with pass completion with number of offsides with number of foul throws with number of dogs on the pitch? You can't. And yet that's what we do every time we watch a game. There is no number that can tell you the picture yet there are hundreds of thousands of fans who have assessed every little thing you have calculated and more, blended them in a way you will never be able to and reached a conclusion based on all the evidence, not just a select sample. We don't need numbers to tell us what we're seeing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 What's worrying me is where we go from here. I literally don't have the foggiest as to how he's going to set us up next. He's made a lot of noise this season about looking more offensive and finding a balance, from his sound bites, it seems he thinks that defensive mistakes are simply individual ones and having a more conservative set of attackers and midfielders is what will remedy the issue. There have been individual mistakes, don't get me wrong, but the situation has often been because of a series of errors by a number of players. He needs to change the style of the side a bit but keep the personnel that we saw against Villa, perhaps stick Taylor in for one of the centre halves. That front trio should never be messed with again (bar Gouffran for Cisse) but I'm not sure whether we'll see it for a while, I think the Hull game might have made him re-think their suitability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Can't make excuses about the Europa League or injuries this season. Maybe he will blame our utter crapness on Lady Luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I bet when we finally get rid (please god) their will be no decent managers left available What makes you think we'll appoint a decent manager if one is available? http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/154/268/143210259_display_image.jpg?1335054524 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Bet Alan got hammered in Ashley's leather swing last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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