Alan Pardew

[Disco]

The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously.

 

Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be.  His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support.  Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection).  The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment.  There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands.  There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome.

 

 

Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground.

 

Pardew's had that for 10 months man 

 

Longer than Allardyce's entire stint.

 

Give over has he.

 

You forgot the Reading Home game in January?  THAT was vitriol.

 

Just because it was 10 months ago it doesn't mean he's had it for 10 months though. Pardew got off very, very lightly last season.

[Wullie]

Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind.

 

Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with?

 

I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone.

 

What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie?

 

Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season.

 

I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade.

[LRD]

There's actually someone defending Pardew for the Reading game. Unbelievable.

[TRon]

The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously.

 

Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be.  His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support.  Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection).  The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment.  There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands.  There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome.

 

 

Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground.

 

Pardew's had that for 10 months man 

 

Longer than Allardyce's entire stint.

 

Give over has he.

 

You forgot the Reading Home game in January?  THAT was vitriol.

 

Just because it was 10 months ago it doesn't mean he's had it for 10 months though. Pardew got off very, very lightly last season.

 

Pretty incredible when you consider we were thrashed at home in successive matches by Sunderland then Liverpool. Got off lightly is putting it mildly.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There's actually someone defending Pardew for the Reading game. Unbelievable.

 

Is there?

[BrettNUFC]

You just talk at constant cross purposes Brett. You're incredibly proud of this team and think they're "very good" but only good enough to finish 8th, absolute maximum?

 

Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind.

 

 

At this present moment, it's progression, not just scrapping our away to top 8 though, to look a confidenct side who is going places, i'm realistic enough to think we aren't shifting Liverpool out the top 6 but we just need to keep looking at ourselves and improving ourselves to try and move forward as a club. It's difficult under this regime and it's not being made any easier by the top 6 heavily funding their squads leaving us to fall furthur behind whilst teams around us improve to try and compete with us. If we can look back on this year and think we have given a good account for ourselves and played some good football, i'd be happy.

 

What's this about Liverpool anyway? It's not like they've always sewn up that 6th place finish. I'm not suggesting that it's us that will take it, obviously, but I don't know why you keep mentioning them as if there's a always been a massive gap in the way that there was with the top 4. 

 

That's just my opinion, i think this year, i can't see anything other than Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool. It hasn't always been the case for that, usually one team that might fail but i like the look of all them sides and they will be extremely hard to catch, if someone fancies Everton to bring in this season, or even us, that's their opinion but i can't see it, i think they have improved a ton fold.

 

[Guest icemanblue]

Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind.

 

Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with?

 

I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone.

 

What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie?

 

Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season.

 

I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade.

 

Brett?

[LRD]

There's actually someone defending Pardew for the Reading game. Unbelievable.

 

Is there?

 

You forgot the Reading Home game in January?  THAT was vitriol.

 

Yes there is.

[Happy Face]

The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously.

 

Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be.  His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support.  Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection).  The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment.  There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands.  There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome.

 

 

Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground.

 

Pardew's had that for 10 months man 

 

Longer than Allardyce's entire stint.

 

I'm on about in the ground. Not cyberspace.

 

Aye, in the stands.  I was there.

 

The Toon Army turned on manager Alan Pardew for the first time this season, taunting him with chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing”

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-1-2-reading-alan-pardew-1546825#ixzz2h2VEwoJp

 

 

 

You yourself made the point that people were singing 'Pardew's Black and White Army' in a point that you were making about how the support for Pardew is still there in the stadium...

 

Think someone on here mentioned their utter disbelief that the Straberry corner would sing "Pardew is our King" during the Hull game.  So a vocal contingent in the stadium are still supportive.

 

There was none of that under Allardyce.

 

I was at the Stoke cup game before Allardyce got the sack and he was applauded off the field.

 

There are pockets of staunch support no matter what.

 

Their unpopularity is probably about even tbf, it's just been allowed to go on much longer under Pardew so there's been more embarrassing home defeats that have weakened his position and longer for his poll numbers to go down.

 

[Happy Face]

There's actually someone defending Pardew for the Reading game. Unbelievable.

 

Is there?

 

You forgot the Reading Home game in January?  THAT was vitriol.

 

Yes there is.

 

How in any fevered imagination could that be construed as a defense of Pardew?

[Guest icemanblue]

I'm properly lost here, like.

[Foluwashola]

Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind.

 

Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with?

 

I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone.

 

What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie?

 

Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season.

 

I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade.

 

Not sure who has said this like. 8th with one or two decent cup runs would qualify as a good season though.

 

With the money of the top 5/6 and our owner, this is always going to be the case.

[LRD]

How in any fevered imagination could that be construed as a defense of Pardew?

 

You don't think he deserves all the abuse he got for that game?

[Jack Flash]

I assume it's quiet because people are sick to death of the wums and don't bother posting.

 

Aye, that'll be it.

 

 

Nice fishing Jack.

 

Hope you're enjoying all this xx

[BrettNUFC]

Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind.

 

Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with?

 

I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone.

 

What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie?

 

Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season.

 

I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade.

 

Brett?

 

 

He's quoted it like i've said that. Wullie thinks we should be pushing into top 6 but thinks we are in a relegation battle, ambitious pessimistic clown 

[Happy Face]

How in any fevered imagination could that be construed as a defense of Pardew?

 

You don't think he deserves all the abuse he got for that game?

 

Course he did.  I gave him plenty myself.

[Guest firetotheworks]

You just talk at constant cross purposes Brett. You're incredibly proud of this team and think they're "very good" but only good enough to finish 8th, absolute maximum?

 

Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind.

 

 

At this present moment, it's progression, not just scrapping our away to top 8 though, to look a confidenct side who is going places, i'm realistic enough to think we aren't shifting Liverpool out the top 6 but we just need to keep looking at ourselves and improving ourselves to try and move forward as a club. It's difficult under this regime and it's not being made any easier by the top 6 heavily funding their squads leaving us to fall furthur behind whilst teams around us improve to try and compete with us. If we can look back on this year and think we have given a good account for ourselves and played some good football, i'd be happy.

 

What's this about Liverpool anyway? It's not like they've always sewn up that 6th place finish. I'm not suggesting that it's us that will take it, obviously, but I don't know why you keep mentioning them as if there's a always been a massive gap in the way that there was with the top 4. 

 

That's just my opinion, i think this year, i can't see anything other than Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool. It hasn't always been the case for that, usually one team that might fail but i like the look of all them sides and they will be extremely hard to catch, if someone fancies Everton to bring in this season, or even us, that's their opinion but i can't see it, i think they have improved a ton fold.

 

 

I keep trying to type different ways in which to say that you totally baffle me with your mixture of ideas on stringently believed predictions and the seemingly totally unpredictable chaos of match results, but I can't put it in to words.

[Parky]

Need a graph to see what's happened here the last few pages.

[Wullie]

Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind.

 

Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with?

 

I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone.

 

What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie?

 

Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season.

 

I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade.

 

Brett?

 

 

He's quoted it like i've said that. Wullie thinks we should be pushing into top 6 but thinks we are in a relegation battle, ambitious pessimistic clown 

 

What on Earth are you talking about man?

 

My position has always been that the players are comfortably good enough to compete for European qualification whilst the manager is not close to being Premier League quality and drags them down, fails to get the best out of them and leaves us constantly less than the sum of our parts.

 

How does any of that contradict what I've said?

[Happy Face]

The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously.

 

Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be.  His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support.  Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection).  The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment.  There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands.  There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome.

 

 

Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground.

 

Pardew's had that for 10 months man 

 

Longer than Allardyce's entire stint.

 

I'm on about in the ground. Not cyberspace.

 

Aye, in the stands.  I was there.

 

The Toon Army turned on manager Alan Pardew for the first time this season, taunting him with chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing”

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-1-2-reading-alan-pardew-1546825#ixzz2h2VEwoJp

 

 

 

You yourself made the point that people were singing 'Pardew's Black and White Army' in a point that you were making about how the support for Pardew is still there in the stadium...

 

Think someone on here mentioned their utter disbelief that the Straberry corner would sing "Pardew is our King" during the Hull game.  So a vocal contingent in the stadium are still supportive.

 

There was none of that under Allardyce.

 

I was at the Stoke cup game before Allardyce got the sack and he was applauded off the field.

 

There are pockets of staunch support no matter what.

 

Their unpopularity is probably about even tbf, it's just been allowed to go on much longer under Pardew so there's been more embarrassing home defeats that have weakened his position and longer for his poll numbers to go down.

 

The difference then was that our billionaire owner hadn't made any appointments.  Many were excited to see someone competent let loose with tens of millions 

 

Our optimism has been beaten down now, so we mutely accept the least awful option we have.

[Guest firetotheworks]

To clarify, the point I was making is that Allardyce got far more abuse than Pardew. On a completely different scale, imo. From where I was sat last season, I was the only one I could hear slagging Pardew off.

[Happy Face]

To clarify, the point I was making is that Allardyce got far more abuse than Pardew. On a completely different scale, imo. From where I was sat last season, I was the only one I could hear slagging Pardew off.

 

Might have been.  I'm afraid i was very ....

 

 

very drunk

 

 

http://www.lily.fi/sites/lily/files/user/3591/2012/04/4983426_std.jpg

[TRon]

To clarify, the point I was making is that Allardyce got far more abuse than Pardew. On a completely different scale, imo. From where I was sat last season, I was the only one I could hear slagging Pardew off.

 

Pardew isn't really unpopular at St James. I don't think anyone really rates him, just most can't be bothered either way, similar to those who defend him on this thread. It's the "We'll only get someone worse" syndrome.

[Happy Face]

Need a graph to see what's happened here the last few pages.

 

http://i43.tinypic.com/4iepaf.jpg

 

I've had a look at our stats up to Cardiff and found the most positive one, just for you. 

 

It's our 5 game points-per-game average going back to the start of last season.

 

We've hit a 2 point average for the first time in all that time.

 

 

It's not the winning it's the playing nice that counts though.

[jdckelly]

can't we lock this thread until the next game or something?