Guest firetotheworks Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Him leaving has made us all slightly less embarrassed, but that's literally the beginning and end of the difference that it will make or opposing difference that it made when he was originally appointed. The man is a waste of oxygen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Don't think it was anything to do with budgets. I just think JFK was completely out of his depth. These big money agents who are acting on behalf of the players these days would see Kinnear as a joke and so would the players. If you were a potential signing and you listened to him spouting off as he did when he first came what would you think? Utter pratt and the club would be tarred with the same brush Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Oh frabjous day Kaloo Kalay. I am whistling "zippedee Doodah" out my arse. Really chuffed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 So much for getting any work done today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 In the end we need players like Cabaye to keep us in top 10 and attract more players. Therefore we still need to buy the next Cabaye, for a cut price deal, train him up and sell for 15m+ 2-3 years later, on and on. The whole model requires Carr to spot the talents, JFK to complete the deal and Pardew to incorporate the player. And now it is obviously JFK's part who fucked up massively (Pardew as well but no where near JFK). It could be the Douglas deal, it could be Cabella, it could be Grenier. To Ashley a player recommended by Carr as a potential star, available for a relatively low price, is like a 10m+ profit, and failure in bringing them here means evaporated profits, lower league position and probably lower ST now. It is a massive fucked up and I would not be surprised that Ashely really axe him for lack of signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Kinnear will be on Talksport soon enough - unless of course, Ashley has made him sign a confidentiality clause as part of his pay off (if he got one) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I just refuse to believe Kinnears is anything but a scapegoat. Smacks of Ashley slapping him on the wage bill as a financial favour to a friend who's happy to piss anyone off because he doesn't care what people think. Two transfer windows gone, no signings made, ditch Kinnear under the guise that it's his fault nothing progressed. I just can't envision even Ashley trusting him enough to genuinely handle transfer negotiations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I just refuse to believe Kinnears is anything but a scapegoat. Smacks of Ashley slapping him on the wage bill as a financial favour to a friend who's happy to piss anyone off because he doesn't care what people think. Two transfer windows gone, no signings made, ditch Kinnear under the guise that it's his fault nothing progressed. I just can't envision even Ashley trusting him enough to genuinely handle transfer negotiations. Yep, that's how I see it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Can we just please promote Graham Carr to all things transfer wise. Just make him the transfer don. How do we know if Carr wasn't part of the problem here ? One thing that has me very concerned is how come we had seemingly only one option once Cabaye was sold, it was Grenier or nowt, surely as the chief scout he should have had a list of targets not just one. Now we have no way of knowing if he did but JFK and MA just refused to move down to the next man on the list. But at the same time we don't have anything to suggest he did. Carr may not be blameless in this whole scenario, so I wouldn't be too fast to make him King just yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Don't think it was anything to do with budgets. I just think JFK was completely out of his depth. These big money agents who are acting on behalf of the players these days would see Kinnear as a joke and so would the players. If you were a potential signing and you listened to him spouting off as he did when he first came what would you think? Utter pratt and the club would be tarred with the same brush I think that's all there is to it. Lots of conspiracies around which is always to be expected, but sometimes the simplest explanation's the most likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Can we just please promote Graham Carr to all things transfer wise. Just make him the transfer don. How do we know if Carr wasn't part of the problem here ? One thing that has me very concerned is how come we had seemingly only one option once Cabaye was sold, it was Grenier or nowt, surely as the chief scout he should have had a list of targets not just one. Now we have no way of knowing if he did but JFK and MA just refused to move down to the next man on the list. But at the same time we don't have anything to suggest he did. Carr may not be blameless in this whole scenario, so I wouldn't be too fast to make him King just yet. I for one was worried that the great Graham Carr Experiment (as I coined it) had failed and was worried many of those he signed were purely potential and not had what it takes to step their individual games up. I was obviously wrong, but you need to realize we only hear about Cabella or Grenier as those are the 2 that may have been leaked or progressed. For all we know, there could have been 15 targets but these 2 fit the age/price/contract requirement. Graham Carr isn't daft, he obviously knows the situation of players he must work within to fit into our transfer policy. IF those policies were even loosened a bit, I'm sure he'd be telling anyone who'd listen to go and sign a better quality player who'd cost more from a different country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I think Pards paying Sammy Ameobi was like a two fingers to the transfer policy showing his hands were tied. Not that hes such a bad player just because he is literally showing we have signed no cover... Again! And in that showing kinnear up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Here's one. Would you rather Llambias came back or gamble on who Ashley might bring in (or not)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 If it was someone new, who we didn't know and didn't already hate, then I'd probably vote for that option. However, whoever it is, we'll all end up hating them anyway. Ashley quite clearly doesn't want to spend money and Kinnear served his purpose perfectly for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Good news. Allthough, depends on who's next. If there ever was a worse choice than Kinnear, Ashley's gonna find him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felling Mag Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I honestly cant think of another person who could be worse than Joe Kinnear as a DOF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I honestly cant think of another person who could be worse than Joe Kinnear as a DOF. Likewise. I'd appoint James or Neesy before Kinnear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I honestly cant think of another person who could be worse than Joe Kinnear as a DOF. Barry Fry Lennie Lawrence Mick Buxton Malcolm Crosby Sam Allardyce Phil Borwn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 He could bring God in as DoF but he'll still have to work under the contraints Ashley puts him under, and therefore be shit and end up looking a total goon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThievingMagpie Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Fuck it, just let Pardew run the whole thing like in the old days of football and watch the ship crash and burn it can't be any more farcical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I know he's gone but is there any more info, concrete or otherwise to why? Or is it just been 30 pages of rejoicing and speculation? (Not that I'm judging, just want to catch up) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I know he's gone but is there any more info, concrete or otherwise to why? Or is it just been 30 pages of rejoicing and speculation? (Not that I'm judging, just want to catch up) No one knows anything. It's rampant speculation ranging from "honourable Joe falls on his sword," to the even more ludicrous "Mike sacks Joe for doing exactly what he wanted him to do," conspiracy theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Needs a poll for the new Director of Football somewhere. Harry Redknapp ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I know he's gone but is there any more info, concrete or otherwise to why? Or is it just been 30 pages of rejoicing and speculation? (Not that I'm judging, just want to catch up) Does it matter why? why we still got a halfwit fraud of a shit manager and a fat clown owner? none of it make sense, best not to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Looks like the summer transfer window will be fruitful!!! :lol: Durians. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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