LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Jokes aside, forgetting the cup run, Poyet has done every bit as poorly as Solskjaer in the league. 24 points in 25 games. Wonder how many they'd have now if Di Canio stayed. At least he called it right with their players not caring/being twats. He would have probably been jailed by now with all the squad feuds. Poyet was on a hiding to nothing taking that shower of shit over mid-season. I don't think he's the right man for the job anyway, I can't see him being motivated in a dump like that in the lower divisions. He didn't do his career any favours going there. I begrudgingly rate him. He'll have them somewhere near the top of the Championship next season. They'e not going to attract anyone better and no bigger clubs are about to take a risk on him. This is a good opportunity for all parties. I do feel Di Canio is partially vindicated, though. The players are to blame for the mackem's current plight. However, PDC is still a cunt who hasn't a clue on how deal with these sorts of players without resorting to being a nightmarish dictator. He made the situation worse rather than better. Didn't he sign most of them? From what my mackem mates tell me there's some debate about how much was down to him and how much of the recruitment was De Fanti. However, they needed to sign a lot of players because of the size of their squad. Some are always going to flop due to either not adapting to the league or the club. That's not particularly helped if you're recruiting mercenaries (s they have to - after all, who the fuck wants to play for Sunderland?) and hire Mussolini to manage them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Even with that squad, if Poyet had anything about him he would have managed to save them from relegation really. Other than a dead cat bounce when he came in, the obligatory surrenders of our gutless lot and a few games in January he's been every bit as bad as Di Canio. I don't know. They lack goals. Short of turning them into Arsenal and have them pass the ball into the net I don't think there's much Poyet could have done. He took a punt on another striker in January... that didn't work out. They recalled the kid that they had out on loan... he hasn't worked out. They tried playing midfielders up front to see if they could get it done... that didn't work out. They know what the problem is, they just didn't find the right personnel to fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Even with that squad, if Poyet had anything about him he would have managed to save them from relegation really. Other than a dead cat bounce when he came in, the obligatory surrenders of our gutless lot and a few games in January he's been every bit as bad as Di Canio. I don't know. They lack goals. Short of turning them into Arsenal and have them pass the ball into the net I don't think there's much Poyet could have done. He took a punt on another striker in January... that didn't work out. They recalled the kid that they had out on loan... he hasn't worked out. They tried playing midfielders up front to see if they could get it done... that didn't work out. They know what the problem is, they just didn't find the right personnel to fix it. Pardew couldn't do much, Poyet couldn't do much. For someone with an avatar featuring Mourinho and Sir Bobby Robson you don't seem to have much appreciation for the effect a manager can have on a team. Where did Tony Pulis get his goals, down the back of the sofa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Even with that squad, if Poyet had anything about him he would have managed to save them from relegation really. Other than a dead cat bounce when he came in, the obligatory surrenders of our gutless lot and a few games in January he's been every bit as bad as Di Canio. I don't know. They lack goals. Short of turning them into Arsenal and have them pass the ball into the net I don't think there's much Poyet could have done. He took a punt on another striker in January... that didn't work out. They recalled the kid that they had out on loan... he hasn't worked out. They tried playing midfielders up front to see if they could get it done... that didn't work out. They know what the problem is, they just didn't find the right personnel to fix it. Nah, not having that, sorry. Fletcher is a better striker than he's shown this season under Poyet, and the same goes for Altidore (and Graham,who he hasn't bothered to recall). They're not world beaters, but Poyet should have got more goals out of that lot than the four he did if, again, he had anything about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Even with that squad, if Poyet had anything about him he would have managed to save them from relegation really. Other than a dead cat bounce when he came in, the obligatory surrenders of our gutless lot and a few games in January he's been every bit as bad as Di Canio. I don't know. They lack goals. Short of turning them into Arsenal and have them pass the ball into the net I don't think there's much Poyet could have done. He took a punt on another striker in January... that didn't work out. They recalled the kid that they had out on loan... he hasn't worked out. They tried playing midfielders up front to see if they could get it done... that didn't work out. They know what the problem is, they just didn't find the right personnel to fix it. Pardew couldn't do much, Poyet couldn't do much. For someone with an avatar featuring Mourinho and Sir Bobby Robson you don't seem to have much appreciation for the effect a manager can have on a team. Where did Tony Pulis get his goals, down the back of the sofa? The manager does his work Sunday-Friday. When it comes to Saturday he's a spectator. He can affect the culture of the club to a point... PDC made it a shitty atmosphere, Poyet seems to have cheered the players up enough to go on a up run but not much more. I'm sure Poyet has Antiscore working on his finishing every day in training... he might even be banging them in. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him bury it in the back of the net when it actually matters. When it became apparent he couldn't fix Altidore he tried other options. Multiple options. He does't have the time and/or ability to get it fixed. Maybe you can suggest what exactly it is a manager should have a player or a team do if they just aren't able to score goals? What would you do with Altidore or Cisse? Players you know can score goals but just aren't? Mourinho couldn't get Torres scoring like he was. Managers don't have a magic wand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Even with that squad, if Poyet had anything about him he would have managed to save them from relegation really. Other than a dead cat bounce when he came in, the obligatory surrenders of our gutless lot and a few games in January he's been every bit as bad as Di Canio. They had 1 point from 7 games when Poyet came in. Since Di Canio left they've found another 24 from 25 games along with two good cup runs. But more than that, his teams continue to outplay us on the football pitch despite the squads at their disposal. That's the worrying thing. Poyet might unproven at the top level, but then it's Pardew who is more responsible for fluffing up his CV more than anyone. What does that tell you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Even with that squad, if Poyet had anything about him he would have managed to save them from relegation really. Other than a dead cat bounce when he came in, the obligatory surrenders of our gutless lot and a few games in January he's been every bit as bad as Di Canio. Nah, their squad's crap, man. And like TRon said they only got 1 point under PDC. Poyet would be achieving something pretty special in keeping them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 To finish last in this season's PL takes some doing. I've never known such a poor bottom half of the league and to comfortably finish dead last, 20th out of 20 when there is so much fucking pigshit in the bottom half of the league takes a special effort. They're absolutely rank. And they took 6/6 from us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 To finish last in this season's PL takes some doing. I've never known such a poor bottom half of the league and to comfortably finish dead last, 20th out of 20 when there is so much fucking pigshit in the bottom half of the league takes a special effort. They're absolutely rank. And they took 6/6 from us. Is that true though? I can't remember a season where someone didn't say that. Having them do the double on us truly took something special, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The season we went down was the worst that I've seen. It was like other teams were doing everything they could to get us out of it and we did fuck all. We completely deserved to go down pretty much for that reason on its own, never mind the pricks that we had playing for us then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Still scored more league goals than us at St James' in 2014. How fucking rank is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Even with that squad, if Poyet had anything about him he would have managed to save them from relegation really. Other than a dead cat bounce when he came in, the obligatory surrenders of our gutless lot and a few games in January he's been every bit as bad as Di Canio. Nah, their squad's crap, man. And like TRon said they only got 1 point under PDC. Poyet would be achieving something pretty special in keeping them up. They were always going to be bottom half, but I still think a good manager would have that squad save. Poyet's January sigings have been disastrous too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Judging from the tone of his public comments, Poyet seems to have already given up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Even with that squad, if Poyet had anything about him he would have managed to save them from relegation really. Other than a dead cat bounce when he came in, the obligatory surrenders of our gutless lot and a few games in January he's been every bit as bad as Di Canio. Nah, their squad's crap, man. And like TRon said they only got 1 point under PDC. Poyet would be achieving something pretty special in keeping them up. Playing Devils Advocate, I think they're having a worse run now (1 point in 8) than they were under PDC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Optimistic Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Still scored more league goals than us at St James' in 2014. How f***ing rank is that? Vomit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 The season we went down was the worst that I've seen. It was like other teams were doing everything they could to get us out of it and we did f*** all. We completely deserved to go down pretty much for that reason on its own, never mind the pricks that we had playing for us then. Our relegation was like watching a slow motion car crash. We had the wheel in our hands right up until the last minute but did we turn it? Did we fuck. Awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Keith Downie @SkySports_Keith 12m Gus Poyet refuses to commit his future to Sunderland, saying "we'll find out between now and the end of the season." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Delightfully disgraceful from a manager in a relegation fight.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Think he's wanting to be sacked tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Think he's wanting to be sacked tbh. Inclined to agree. He seems to be washing his hands of the situation and he's always stressing how shite the situation was when he took over. Fails to mention the fact he had them out of the shit and into about 13th in early Feb and has taken them straight back down into 20th and well adrift at the bottom. Can't blame him in many ways as I can't imagine he wants a PL relegation on his CV as he's starting his managerial career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 He'll be hoping another club come in for him or he's maybe uncertain if they'll sack him or not. Latter is unlikely as I think he'd be given a chance to bring them back up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Besides from the fact if he's done a good enough job for them considering the players at his disposal (I don't), his comments in recent weeks our outright disgraceful. He's effectively thrown in the towel weeks before they were mathematically down. Astoundingly weak minded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Keith Downie @SkySports_Keith 1m Poyet tells @SkySportsNews: "it won't be a surprise to anyone if something happens between now & end of the season." (Regarding his future) FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Keith Downie @SkySports_Keith 1m Poyet tells @SkySportsNews: "it won't be a surprise to anyone if something happens between now & end of the season." (Regarding his future) FFS fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 He really sounds like he doesn't want to be there anymore. "I don't want to rebuild, I didn't come to Sunderland to rebuild nothing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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