Tooj Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Did Ramsey celebrate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Nope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I liked Martinez a lot but there was (and still is at times) a question over his defenses, and over his handling of the McNamara tackle, again with that Mirallas tackle, wonder if he allows his players to do that by defending them no matter what. Who the fuck is McNamara? Presumably that McNamanammam kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Did Ramsey celebrate? Looked as if he scored own goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Did Ramsey celebrate? Looked as if he scored own goals. He's gonna engage in a vigorous self-flagellation exercise when he gets home tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Cant be arsed to find the thread but a 'Sportsvibe' story about Gomis going to Wham just popped up on our Newsnow feed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Cant be arsed to find the thread but a 'Sportsvibe' story about Gomis going to Wham just popped up on our Newsnow feed. they'll be linked with every striker going cheapish under the sun between now and the end of jan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Cant be arsed to find the thread but a 'Sportsvibe' story about Gomis going to Wham just popped up on our Newsnow feed. Yeah saw that same article on metro earlier. Lyon wanting 7m while West Ham prepared to pay 5m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 How has Deulofeu been getting on at Everton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Eh, where did this cunt Quim pop up from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Eh, where did this cunt Quim pop up from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Just seen West Ham's third goal today. What a fucking run from Morrison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Bale scores another one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I know I may get jumped up on this, and I'm not denying that Bale is great, and that Ronaldo and Messi aren't either, they're all fantastic, but the Spanish league is a bit poor and as such the insane focus on goal scored stats to justify how good players are makes a mockery of it. I feel sorry for the absolutely insanely good midfielders and defenders (and goalies) throughout the leagues who never in a hope of hell get a chance of being considered as good as Ronaldo etc because of this obsession with goal statistics. Lahm etc should easily be in with a shout for the Ballon D'or. Or even for great strikers in countries where teams at the bottom bother defending. Good reasons I guess why not, everyone remembers the great goals and not the patient build up play but it frustrates me a bit. Also I am aware that La Liga has some great teams that aren't barca or real madrid, and there's plenty of entertainment to be had, but the league needs to get it's finances in order and for it to be a good 'top' league it needs more competitiveness. (as does bundesliga atm for all the hype, this is tougher to find why mind, not quite as inequal iirc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 La Liga definitely lost a lot of talent outside the usual big guys.... Sevilla losing Negredo and Navas etc etc so its even more top heavy league than it already was. So some truth to what you are saying, i think Bale has more assists in first 10 or so games than he did in 5 years at Spurs La Liga and BL are the same in that regard, all the talent at 2 or 3 teams.... why i watch PL and Serie A more these days the talent is more evenly spread through out the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I know I may get jumped up on this, and I'm not denying that Bale is great, and that Ronaldo and Messi aren't either, they're all fantastic, but the Spanish league is a bit poor and as such the insane focus on goal scored stats to justify how good players are makes a mockery of it. I feel sorry for the absolutely insanely good midfielders and defenders (and goalies) throughout the leagues who never in a hope of hell get a chance of being considered as good as Ronaldo etc because of this obsession with goal statistics. Lahm etc should easily be in with a shout for the Ballon D'or. Or even for great strikers in countries where teams at the bottom bother defending. Ronaldo and Messi are two freaks of nature and it's not as if their goal tallies are what you would expect, they're so far ahead of everybody else over the last few years it is insane. That's why the amount of goals gets lauded and so it should as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 There's also not really a great lot of quality around at the back these days either. Certainly not compared to 20 years ago anyways IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Diego Costa has more goals (excl. pens) than Cristiano Penaldo in La Liga this season now. What a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Bale hat-trick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Fucking fair play to him like. There's absolutely no arguing with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I know I may get jumped up on this, and I'm not denying that Bale is great, and that Ronaldo and Messi aren't either, they're all fantastic, but the Spanish league is a bit poor and as such the insane focus on goal scored stats to justify how good players are makes a mockery of it. I feel sorry for the absolutely insanely good midfielders and defenders (and goalies) throughout the leagues who never in a hope of hell get a chance of being considered as good as Ronaldo etc because of this obsession with goal statistics. Lahm etc should easily be in with a shout for the Ballon D'or. Or even for great strikers in countries where teams at the bottom bother defending. Good reasons I guess why not, everyone remembers the great goals and not the patient build up play but it frustrates me a bit. Also I am aware that La Liga has some great teams that aren't barca or real madrid, and there's plenty of entertainment to be had, but the league needs to get it's finances in order and for it to be a good 'top' league it needs more competitiveness. (as does bundesliga atm for all the hype, this is tougher to find why mind, not quite as inequal iirc). You are correct. I doubt either of them would get more than 30 goals per season in England or Italy. The bad teams in Spain have a real losers mentality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I know I may get jumped up on this, and I'm not denying that Bale is great, and that Ronaldo and Messi aren't either, they're all fantastic, but the Spanish league is a bit poor and as such the insane focus on goal scored stats to justify how good players are makes a mockery of it. I feel sorry for the absolutely insanely good midfielders and defenders (and goalies) throughout the leagues who never in a hope of hell get a chance of being considered as good as Ronaldo etc because of this obsession with goal statistics. Lahm etc should easily be in with a shout for the Ballon D'or. Or even for great strikers in countries where teams at the bottom bother defending. Ronaldo and Messi are two freaks of nature and it's not as if their goal tallies are what you would expect, they're so far ahead of everybody else over the last few years it is insane. That's why the amount of goals gets lauded and so it should as well. Agreed, the only problem i have with it is when its lauded more than winning trophies.... that's when i draw the line. Scoring loads of goals is great but if you don't win trophies with it then what is it really? Trophies are the be all and end all at the very top and if you don't get that then the praise you get for scoring should be lower personally. That's how i feel though, i'd praise winning the CL than scoring loads and winning nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Real and Barcelona aren't really needing Ronaldo or Messi to win games in their leagues easily. Real looked as comfortable as ever this week without CRonaldo, and Barcelona bar the Ajax match have really been solid without Messi across the whole team. They're great players, but I do wonder how these teams would do without them. There's also not really a great lot of quality around at the back these days either. Certainly not compared to 20 years ago anyways IMO. True, I have troubles thinking of one top top central defender excl. Thiago Silva. He is for me the only game changing central defender in the world at the moment. One who can dominate the absolute best. (non-biased opinion) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I know I may get jumped up on this, and I'm not denying that Bale is great, and that Ronaldo and Messi aren't either, they're all fantastic, but the Spanish league is a bit poor and as such the insane focus on goal scored stats to justify how good players are makes a mockery of it. I feel sorry for the absolutely insanely good midfielders and defenders (and goalies) throughout the leagues who never in a hope of hell get a chance of being considered as good as Ronaldo etc because of this obsession with goal statistics. Lahm etc should easily be in with a shout for the Ballon D'or. Or even for great strikers in countries where teams at the bottom bother defending. Ronaldo and Messi are two freaks of nature and it's not as if their goal tallies are what you would expect, they're so far ahead of everybody else over the last few years it is insane. That's why the amount of goals gets lauded and so it should as well. Agreed, the only problem i have with it is when its lauded more than winning trophies.... that's when i draw the line. Scoring loads of goals is great but if you don't win trophies with it then what is it really? Trophies are the be all and end all at the very top and if you don't get that then the praise you get for scoring should be lower personally. That's how i feel though, i'd praise winning the CL than scoring loads and winning nothing. if your reffering to the Balon D'or then the sheer brilliance of the individual should be the key judgement after all Ronaldo on a performance level has clearly been better than Ribery while good and won numerous trophys it was much more a team performance from Bayern than it being down to how brilliant Ribery was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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