Fenham Mag Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Switzerland beating Brazil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I think the answer for Germany is somewhere in the middle. Flip's right in that Mertesacker and Schmelzer aren't that great, but they should be good enough to not let up 3 against Paraguay. Doubt 4-3-3 helps very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 England's defence is not better than that like. Of course it isn't. Don't know what he's on about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Switzerland beating Brazil. And not completely undeserved. They look very smooth on the ball their team and we look disjointed once again even if I'd say we've been the more dangerous side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I think the answer for Germany is somewhere in the middle. Flip's right in that Mertesacker and Schmelzer aren't that great, but they should be good enough to not let up 3 against Paraguay. Doubt 4-3-3 helps very much. But it's a friendly. I mean they could change Lahm and Hummels for worse players, they still shouldn't be conceding 3 against Paraguay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Is Low under any pressure in Germany at all? For the players at his disposal I think he's underachieved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 England's defence is not better than that like. England's defence is not better than that like. Of course it isn't. Don't know what he's on about. Haven't watched England national side play, but I do think a defence of Johnson - Terry - Cahill - Cole/Baines is probably on par if not better than that. Might be down to the fact that I don't rate Hummels the way most on here seem to do. Lahm I have down as the best RB, but for me the remaining three are very average. Terry - Cahill for me is a better pairing than Hummels - Mertesacker. But once again it's all down to my opinion of Hummels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Paraguay 2-3 up in Germany That's why they won't win the World Cup, awful defensively. Was looking at their starting four. Lahm - Mertesacker - Hummels - Schmelzer :lol: That's actually not even close to being a good enough WC winning back four. Italy, Brazil, Spain even England, all have better. Thing is though, they and Argentina have the best offensive power in the world. Lahm is the best RB in the world, Mertesacker was part of the Arsenal team that conceded the second least goals in the league last year, Hummels and Schmelzer are part of the Dortmund back 4 that got to the CL final last year and won the Bundesliga the two previous years. Problem isn't the individuals, its how the team defends as a unit as it is with any team. Individuals are overplayed. The problems is always the team, but neither Mertesacker, Hummels or Schmelzer (are IMO anyhow) top class defenders. Hummels is the better of the three, but the times I've seen Mertesacker and Schmelzer commit mistakes is unbelievable. As for talking about defenders. Dani Alves just scored heck of an own goal Probably right they ain't top class, well Hummels is IMO but that's a discussion for another day. But are Dani Alves and Marcelo top class defenders? is even Luiz? but you protect them extremely well and defend well as a unit. Even Argentina have an average defense on paper but over the last year to 18 months they have looked solid as a unit and as a result conceded a lot less goals regardless of the ability of the defenders. Germany's problem is exactly that, fix that and they will be fine irrelevant if Mertesacker or Schmelzer are in the back 4 or not. I don't think they will win the WC anyway but i don't see it being a major issue as why they don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I'm not disagreeing at all that it's the unit btw, I'm just saying that it becomes harder to have a great unit when individually you don't have great defenders. As for Brazil's defence I do think that both our fullbacks are much better than Schmelzer and I have seen us over and over again to tell you that without Thiago Silva we would leak goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Fair enough, as for the Schmelzer comment i meant as defenders not players. Quite obviously that Marcelo and Alves are probably about 5 leagues above him in terms of ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Fair enough, as for the Schmelzer comment i meant as defenders not players. Quite obviously that Marcelo and Alves are probably about 5 leagues above him in terms of ability. I meant as defenders as well. I really don't rate Schmelzer, for me always the weakest link for Borussia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I agree with that as well, been wondering all summer why Dortmund don't go for a LB. But then again Klopp knows more than i ever will, so i trust he's doing the right thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 BENDERRRRRR!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Altidore hat-rick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Ridiculous save from Marchetti. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Zlatan is insanely awesome, man. Why? Because he scored two easy goals and then scored a free-kick my grandmother would've saved? But yeah, he's a very good player Another four goals for Zlatan. Yeah he's shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Cronaldo 1-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Benteke suspected broken leg. Might mean Bent stays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Benteke suspected broken leg. Might mean Bent stays. @eaamalyon 27s How do people fall for these things so easily? Just a simple check tells you Benteke finished the game and didn't break his bloody leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Nope, it's a load of bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Yep, rumours of any leg break are greatly exaggerated. Pun intended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Zlatan is insanely awesome, man. Why? Because he scored two easy goals and then scored a free-kick my grandmother would've saved? But yeah, he's a very good player Another four goals for Zlatan. Yeah he's s***. He's actually a very good player, one of the best in the world, but to say he scored four is a bit of an exaggeration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I'm not sure we'd even be a country without Zlatan (hattrick tonight), but what a f***ing goal Anders Svensseon scored tonight (yes, the former Southampton s*** midfielder). And all Norwegians on here can suck it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I'm not sure we'd even be a country without Zlatan (hattrick tonight), but what a f***ing goal Anders Svensseon scored tonight (yes, the former Southampton s*** midfielder). And all Norwegians on here can suck it. Anders Svensson is easily Sweden's best midfielder. Should be starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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