Crumpy Gunt Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Mike Ashley is a nice guy His mother loves him..... Apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Mike Ashley is a nice guy Did he just give you a massive new contract as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Why should the main attractions of a multi billion pound industry become plumbers once it’s over? You wouldn’t expect Tom Cruise to become a plumber if nobody wants to pay him to act anymore. Such a daft argument. Pro Gymnast careers are over in their early 20s, but you don't expect them to get paid millions each week to compensate. Wages are relative to the money in the sport, not the length of their professional careers. ]]Eh? I just said: "Why should the main attractions of a multi billion pound industry become plumbers once it’s over?" You've proved my point. Short career element is more to do with the fact., players can't waste 3-4 years of their careers being underpaid in their primes. Usually a 7 year window at their peak. I can't blame them for ensuring they get paid as much as possible. Most players don't actually choose to solely focus on that either otherwise more would go to China in their primes or similar. It's usually a mix of sporting ambition and salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I can't blame anyone for wanting the most attractive salary available irrespective of the length of their particular career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Since I appear to be spending the evening talking about those whose arses I believe radiate sunlight, here's George Caulkin on the prospect of that European Super League. He makes it sound heavenly, tbh: "The Premier League is a form of tyranny, because if you're in the bottom two thirds, you're paralysed by fear: the fear of missing out. It means that the football itself is, by and large, pretty unattractive. At the same time, how can it be that the play-off match to get into the PL can be the richest game in our sport? Not the Champions League final, not the FA Cup final, but the game between the teams who finished 3rd and 6th in the second division. What would I do? I'd massively redistribute wealth between the divisions, and even in the Premier League, to try and alleviate against this fear. Is that not why the Premier League went off on its own in the first place? Yeah, it did, to satiate the greed of the leading clubs. Let them go. Let them go and play each other every week. Let's see how much fun that is. One of the most enjoyable parts of my job in the last few years has been seeing Newcastle go down, and then understand that winning is actually good. It doesn't matter, so much, who you play against. And equally Sunderland in League 1; they're diminished as a football club but they're also enhanced, because they've remembered that there's more to life than just grimly hanging on every season." (from The Times/The Game Football podcast) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 That last paragraph is absolutely right, it shouldn’t really matter which division you’re in. As long as you’re trying to progress. I really think we need US-style spending and salary caps to somehow level the playing field. It’s not a sport at the moment, it’s a competition for who has the best billionaire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 That last paragraph is absolutely right, it shouldn’t really matter which division you’re in. As long as you’re trying to progress. I really think we need US-style spending and salary caps to somehow level the playing field. It’s not a sport at the moment, it’s a competition for who has the best billionaire. I think that’s my bat-signal to come in and comment on money in football again (although since i’m Spurs, maybe it should be cock-signal?). There was someone who wrote in on the BBC after the Wolves match saying “that’s the difference between Liverpool and Spurs, Liverpool wouldn’t lose to Wolves” or some such. Well sure, I guess, but the real difference between Liverpool and Spurs comes down to money. Keeper a bit iffy? Buy a new one for 60M+. Lacking energy in midfield? Buy somebody else for 40M. Hang on, he’s not all that. Buy a new guy for 60M. We’re a bit dodgy at the back? Buy a guy for 80M. And this is Liverpool, not the true comedy acts of Man City or Chelsea. It’s just so weird being a football fan of any club outside the top table - which apparently definitively includes us as we’re not in that group invited to be founder members of this European League. There is just no way I can take criticism from any fan of the elite seriously. Sooner or later, money will out, and everything else just seems like pissing in the wind. I’m lucky enough to be in the US now, and American Football feels like a breath of fresh air (not something you’ll often hear over here). The idea that competitive balance on the pitch is primarily a function of player selection and coaching is like heaven. They’ve already managed to fuck up competitive balance in baseball though. I just feel sad. I still get childlike joy when we win, and childish depression when we lose (avoided football completely between Wolves and Cardiff - thank God for the Cleveland Browns, something else you don’t often hear over here). I should grow out of it, but it’s more than the club to me, it’s the community I grew up in and with - like Sifu. It’s just harder and harder to take. Spurs fans have been blessed in recent years, but even if we somehow cross that bridge to the stars something has been irrevocably lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 People being precious over this ‘United’ thing the last couple of days. The whole uproar over the Sky caption ffs. They always just use ‘Newcastle’ when advertising a match and they have to use ‘United’ to differentiate from Manchester City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It's nothing to do with differentiating from Man City tbf, it's just how they're known as a brand. Same with Bayern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It's nothing to do with differentiating from Man City tbf, it's just how they're known as a brand. Same with Bayern. Just the same as inter and AC too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It's nothing like Bayern, there aren't any other German clubs known as Bayern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If Manchester had 1 team, then people would refer them as Manchester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It's nothing to do with differentiating from Man City tbf, it's just how they're known as a brand. Same with Bayern. I’m meaning the caption where it’s ‘Newcastle v Manchester Utd’. ‘United’ is branding but on the Sky caption it’s just to differentiate. Similar to this on the Premier League site involving us and Sheff Utd. https://www.premierleague.com/news/657687 I wonder if Real Betis fans kick up a fuss when Real Madrid get called, ‘Real’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If Manchester had 1 team, then people would refer them as Manchester. Nah, they were referred to as United back when both Sheffield clubs were in the Premier League and/or when Man City were in League One and no differentiation was needed. They're still called United when they're playing against other teams called United. The intention might have been to differentiate originally but it hasn't been for the vast majority of the Premier League era, it's part of their brand. If differentiation is the aim then calling them United when they're playing us, WHU, Leeds etc is more confusing and is inconsistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It's nothing like Bayern, there aren't any other German clubs known as Bayern. Aye, I've fucked up there. Just asked my Kaiserslautern mate that I thought told me this and I've mixed up two conversation about how it's weird that RB Leipzig couldn't include Red Bull because of branding, despite Bayer Leverkusen being allowed, then about how Real Madrid are referred to as Real despite there being loads of other Reals. It's not even Bayern either ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Real Madrid aren't referred to in Spain as Real though. Real Sociedad are 'La Real'. Likewise Inter and 'AC'. No-one in Italy adds the Milan suffix to Inter or the AC prefix to Milan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It's nothing to do with differentiating from Man City tbf, it's just how they're known as a brand. Same with Bayern. I’m meaning the caption where it’s ‘Newcastle v Manchester Utd’. ‘United’ is branding but on the Sky caption it’s just to differentiate. Similar to this on the Premier League site involving us and Sheff Utd. https://www.premierleague.com/news/657687 I wonder if Real Betis fans kick up a fuss when Real Madrid get called, ‘Real’. Ah I get you. VI will probably know better, but I'd be surprised if it didn't annoy at least some Betis, Majorca, Sociedad etc fans that Real Madrid are the only team referred to as Real globally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 You are pedantic as they come KI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just because other clubs do it it doesn’t make it right. The point is that the media are now going out of their way to call Manchester United ‘United’. On the graphics there are capable of naming them Manchester United and us as Newcastle United, yet they never do. Even if space was limited, simply referring to them as Man Utd would be perfectly acceptable. In the past though I have seen us not only have the ‘United’ removed, but also have our name abbreviated to something like N’cstle and such. Commentary is even worse, esecpailly for the fans of the other club called United as they can easily interperate things happening the wrong way round. It’s all the more worse when Man Utd have less legitimacy to call themselves United like we or other clubs do. Surely the name has to have meaning and simply can’t be applied to whoever is more successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The only time I've been annoyed is when Shearer says it, he should know better. Not bothered about rest of the media, man utd are the biggest football club in the world so they will always get more coverage etc and it's been attached to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 You are pedantic as they come KI. News. Anyway, I stand by those earlier points like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The only time I've been annoyed is when Shearer says it, he should know better. Not bothered about rest of the media, man utd are the biggest football club in the world so they will always get more coverage etc and it's been attached to them. That's exactly the point, and people don't like it. None of this differentiation between them and Man City excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The only time I've been annoyed is when Shearer says it, he should know better. Not bothered about rest of the media, man utd are the biggest football club in the world so they will always get more coverage etc and it's been attached to them. Is biggest football club in the world merely most foreign fans/best marketing team now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Real Madrid aren't referred to in Spain as Real though. Real Sociedad are 'La Real'. Likewise Inter and 'AC'. No-one in Italy adds the Milan suffix to Inter or the AC prefix to Milan. Aye, Real Madrid are referred to a lot as simply Madrid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 They're often referred to as Real everywhere else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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