Heron Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Just going back to what I said about 2011/12, we went the first 11 Premier League games unbeaten and set up the whole season with basically this side and formation almost exclusively. Krul Simpson S.Taylor Coloccini R.Taylor Obertan Cabaye Tiote Gutierrez Ba Best Simpler times. Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 And still lost to Man City Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Ba was fucking class for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Thought Cisse started fairly well Seemed to control the ball well from Krul's goalkicks Thought Cisse started fairly well He did, typical knee jerk stuff tonight. Passes to him, immediately crowded by 3 city defenders, no options on, no link between him and midfield (again). Sure his touch was poor tonight but he's getting slated for not being an out ball target man tonight. He can actually link play just fine (he did it plenty when he first arrived). Well thank fuck for you two. I know he tailed off badly fairly soon after as things generally descended into farce, but people don't half let rage cloud their judgement on here at times. While i'm not raging, i tend to think a players first touch is very important, even more so for a front man to bring others into play. He was terrible and has been for ages, hopefully he'll get back to form, giving him a strike partner to hold the ball up will help, but he should be able to do the basics himself. He was far from terrible at the start, which was all I said initially. Just wanted to bring a bit of balance. Not disagreeing that his touch has been appalling at times and that it ended up going that way again tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Just going back to what I said about 2011/12, we went the first 11 Premier League games unbeaten and set up the whole season with basically this side and formation almost exclusively. Krul Simpson S.Taylor Coloccini R.Taylor Obertan Cabaye Tiote Gutierrez Ba Best Simpler times. The simplicity of that set-up was perfect for Pardew. Defenders who were just expected to defend; natural width (none of these fancy wide-forward types); one defensive midfielder and one creative midfielder; and two forwards who could thrive on crosses and direct play. Simple and thus effective for a manager who isn't smart enough to handle the more complex set-ups that he tries to think about these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Is it too much to ask to compete like a team in the premier league? If some goat owner cursed Wrigley Field, did somebody bury a Jewish family underneath St. James Park? At least other teams with this much perpetual turmoil have the decency to just fuck off to the lower divisions and die. Not us. We have to have this brief mini-recoveries only for the dagger to be twisted again. Aside from the Jewish family, this is where I am. The result was always going to be the result, but they were in midseason "don't give a fuck" form. They can't possibly quit on this guy more than they have, yet we have to wait for the idiot to figure out what needed to be done at least 8 months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Thought Cisse started fairly well Seemed to control the ball well from Krul's goalkicks Thought Cisse started fairly well He did, typical knee jerk stuff tonight. Passes to him, immediately crowded by 3 city defenders, no options on, no link between him and midfield (again). Sure his touch was poor tonight but he's getting slated for not being an out ball target man tonight. He can actually link play just fine (he did it plenty when he first arrived). Well thank fuck for you two. I know he tailed off badly fairly soon after as things generally descended into farce, but people don't half let rage cloud their judgement on here at times. While i'm not raging, i tend to think a players first touch is very important, even more so for a front man to bring others into play. He was terrible and has been for ages, hopefully he'll get back to form, giving him a strike partner to hold the ball up will help, but he should be able to do the basics himself. He was far from terrible at the start, which was all I said initially. Just wanted to bring a bit of balance. Not disagreeing that his touch has been appalling at times and that it ended up going that way again tonight. Fair enough, i just thought he was awful over the whole game. Tell you what worries me, when you have a player as jolly as him looking so disinterested and dispirited, there's a lot to worry about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Thought Cisse started fairly well Seemed to control the ball well from Krul's goalkicks Thought Cisse started fairly well He did, typical knee jerk stuff tonight. Passes to him, immediately crowded by 3 city defenders, no options on, no link between him and midfield (again). Sure his touch was poor tonight but he's getting slated for not being an out ball target man tonight. He can actually link play just fine (he did it plenty when he first arrived). Well thank f*** for you two. I know he tailed off badly fairly soon after as things generally descended into farce, but people don't half let rage cloud their judgement on here at times. While i'm not raging, i tend to think a players first touch is very important, even more so for a front man to bring others into play. He was terrible and has been for ages, hopefully he'll get back to form, giving him a strike partner to hold the ball up will help, but he should be able to do the basics himself. He was far from terrible at the start, which was all I said initially. Just wanted to bring a bit of balance. Not disagreeing that his touch has been appalling at times and that it ended up going that way again tonight. Fair enough, i just thought he was awful over the whole game. Tell you what worries me, when you have a player as jolly as him looking so disinterested and dispirited, there's a lot to worry about. what would you be saying if he was jolly while we were getting that sort of humping ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Krul 7 Debuchy 4 Coloccini 5 Taylor 3 Yanga Mbiwa 5 (Dummett) 6.5 Tiote 3 Gutierrez 5 (Anita) 4 Sissoko 5 Ben Arfa 6.5 (Sammy Ameobi 3.5) Gouffran 5 Cisse 2.5 Wrote that straight after FT on my phone. Cisse was weak as water tonight. Maybe if he'd had a pre-season spent playing instead of crying about our shirt sponsors he might have had some form of impact. Tiote, Taylor (not a red but thank fuck he misses some games now), Anita, Debuchy, Colo, fuck me. Pitiful. Krul, HBA and particularly Dummett deserve credit. Navas didn't get a clean cross in 2nd half. Horrid. Fuck football.... Again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Is it too much to ask to compete like a team in the premier league? If some goat owner cursed Wrigley Field, did somebody bury a Jewish family underneath St. James Park? At least other teams with this much perpetual turmoil have the decency to just fuck off to the lower divisions and die. Not us. We have to have this brief mini-recoveries only for the dagger to be twisted again. Aside from the Jewish family, this is where I am. The result was always going to be the result, but they were in midseason "don't give a fuck" form. They can't possibly quit on this guy more than they have, yet we have to wait for the idiot to figure out what needed to be done at least 8 months ago. Pardew quit on tactics, reason, spine and general likability ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Thought Cisse started fairly well Seemed to control the ball well from Krul's goalkicks Thought Cisse started fairly well He did, typical knee jerk stuff tonight. Passes to him, immediately crowded by 3 city defenders, no options on, no link between him and midfield (again). Sure his touch was poor tonight but he's getting slated for not being an out ball target man tonight. He can actually link play just fine (he did it plenty when he first arrived). Well thank f*** for you two. I know he tailed off badly fairly soon after as things generally descended into farce, but people don't half let rage cloud their judgement on here at times. While i'm not raging, i tend to think a players first touch is very important, even more so for a front man to bring others into play. He was terrible and has been for ages, hopefully he'll get back to form, giving him a strike partner to hold the ball up will help, but he should be able to do the basics himself. He was far from terrible at the start, which was all I said initially. Just wanted to bring a bit of balance. Not disagreeing that his touch has been appalling at times and that it ended up going that way again tonight. Fair enough, i just thought he was awful over the whole game. Tell you what worries me, when you have a player as jolly as him looking so disinterested and dispirited, there's a lot to worry about. what would you be saying if he was jolly while we were getting that sort of humping ? That's not what i meant and you know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Just going back to what I said about 2011/12, we went the first 11 Premier League games unbeaten and set up the whole season with basically this side and formation almost exclusively. Krul Simpson S.Taylor Coloccini R.Taylor Obertan Cabaye Tiote Gutierrez Ba Best Simpler times. The simplicity of that set-up was perfect for Pardew. Defenders who were just expected to defend; natural width (none of these fancy wide-forward types); one defensive midfielder and one creative midfielder; and two forwards who could thrive on crosses and direct play. Simple and thus effective for a manager who isn't smart enough to handle the more complex set-ups that he tries to think about these days. Unfortunately I don't think we have the squad to play that kind of thing now, either players have left (and not replaced) or have gone downhill rapidly. This is the problem with keeping Pardew and yet not backing him in the transfer market. He's shite, you've got to allow for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Krul was worth more than a 7 IMO. He was fantastic and prevented a genuine arsefucking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Is it too much to ask to compete like a team in the premier league? If some goat owner cursed Wrigley Field, did somebody bury a Jewish family underneath St. James Park? At least other teams with this much perpetual turmoil have the decency to just fuck off to the lower divisions and die. Not us. We have to have this brief mini-recoveries only for the dagger to be twisted again. Aside from the Jewish family, this is where I am. The result was always going to be the result, but they were in midseason "don't give a fuck" form. They can't possibly quit on this guy more than they have, yet we have to wait for the idiot to figure out what needed to be done at least 8 months ago. Pardew quit on tactics, reason, spine and general likability ages ago. They're playing chicken. I don't blame Pardew for not walking. He would have been an idiot to not take that ridiculous fucking deal. Now we just have to wait for the guy in charge to take the loss. If we fluke anything higher than 16th, it'll be a fucking miracle. The entire team has quit. Cabaye heard Arsenal made a bid and he was a puff of smoke. He couldn't fucking wait to break out. Colo just went the fuck home for as long as he could, hoping to get out. Then we that didn't work, he tried to kill that little kid in the friendly. Debuchy was so shit he couldn't even get sent off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Yeah we were shit but Jaime Carragher is a fucking prick. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 That team though, apart from the solid defence, was controlled by good performances from Cabaye, Tiote and Ba. None of which have done since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Thought Cisse started fairly well Seemed to control the ball well from Krul's goalkicks Thought Cisse started fairly well He did, typical knee jerk stuff tonight. Passes to him, immediately crowded by 3 city defenders, no options on, no link between him and midfield (again). Sure his touch was poor tonight but he's getting slated for not being an out ball target man tonight. He can actually link play just fine (he did it plenty when he first arrived). Well thank f*** for you two. I know he tailed off badly fairly soon after as things generally descended into farce, but people don't half let rage cloud their judgement on here at times. While i'm not raging, i tend to think a players first touch is very important, even more so for a front man to bring others into play. He was terrible and has been for ages, hopefully he'll get back to form, giving him a strike partner to hold the ball up will help, but he should be able to do the basics himself. He was far from terrible at the start, which was all I said initially. Just wanted to bring a bit of balance. Not disagreeing that his touch has been appalling at times and that it ended up going that way again tonight. Fair enough, i just thought he was awful over the whole game. Tell you what worries me, when you have a player as jolly as him looking so disinterested and dispirited, there's a lot to worry about. what would you be saying if he was jolly while we were getting that sort of humping ? That's not what i meant and you know it. yeah well, he started off holding off lescott a couple of times, backing into him, then decided he couldn't be arsed (or was bullied out). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Thought Cisse started fairly well Seemed to control the ball well from Krul's goalkicks Thought Cisse started fairly well He did, typical knee jerk stuff tonight. Passes to him, immediately crowded by 3 city defenders, no options on, no link between him and midfield (again). Sure his touch was poor tonight but he's getting slated for not being an out ball target man tonight. He can actually link play just fine (he did it plenty when he first arrived). Well thank f*** for you two. I know he tailed off badly fairly soon after as things generally descended into farce, but people don't half let rage cloud their judgement on here at times. While i'm not raging, i tend to think a players first touch is very important, even more so for a front man to bring others into play. He was terrible and has been for ages, hopefully he'll get back to form, giving him a strike partner to hold the ball up will help, but he should be able to do the basics himself. He was far from terrible at the start, which was all I said initially. Just wanted to bring a bit of balance. Not disagreeing that his touch has been appalling at times and that it ended up going that way again tonight. Fair enough, i just thought he was awful over the whole game. Tell you what worries me, when you have a player as jolly as him looking so disinterested and dispirited, there's a lot to worry about. what would you be saying if he was jolly while we were getting that sort of humping ? That's not what i meant and you know it. yeah well, he started off holding off lescott a couple of times, backing into him, then decided he couldn't be arsed (or was bullied out). You know the general upbeat Cisse, but that's been knocked out of the team completely. Easy to see why it's been knocked out of him too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Krul was worth more than a 7 IMO. He was fantastic and prevented a genuine arsefucking. Totally. I gave him 9 (I'll stand by it, too) and couldn't be arsed to score the rest. Some fantastic saves. Top drawer player. yip, still want to see aguero's goal again. think he thought it was going wide and didn't reach for it but not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Agree, I was harsh on Krul tbf. Can't really choose between Cisse, Taylor, Debuchy, Colo and Tiote for worst player. All of them beyond hopeless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Did the Sky cameras capture this fucker? http://i.imgur.com/lJgelni.jpg?1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Agree, I was harsh on Krul tbf. Can't really choose between Cisse, Taylor, Debuchy, Colo and Tiote for worst player. All of them beyond hopeless. I'd say Saylor, the other tried badly, but he let the whole team down with such a dumb thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Did the Sky cameras capture this fucker? http://i.imgur.com/lJgelni.jpg?1 that's appropriate attire for the ass raping we just took. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I also thought Jonas was having a fairly useful if unspectacular game before he got injured. Better than first name on the cunting teamsheet Tiote by several light years, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Agree, I was harsh on Krul tbf. Can't really choose between Cisse, Taylor, Debuchy, Colo and Tiote for worst player. All of them beyond hopeless. I'm not sure how Coloccini was one of our worst, in the first half I thought we only had 3 players and Coloccini was one of them along with Krul and Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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