NUFC transfer rumours in the press

[Interpolic]

I agree you shouldn't go as far as the mackems have done but if it's a promising young player who has to gone to the biggest club in the country for £10m-15m 6 months previous, brought in to add a bit of depth to the squad in attacking positions when your owner won't spend any money then it's something to consider IMO.  The reason I brought up the likes of the Lukaku at West Brom and Sturridge at Bolton situations is that leaving your squad short is a worse alternative than filling the gap in some way - Ashley seems to spend a few quid every now and then but nowhere near often enough to ensure our squad's competitive enough much of the time.  I'd like to think we'll plug these gaps eventually in the way that Bolton and West Brom didn't, but it takes us forever to do so given how stubborn we are with transfers.

[afar]

I agree you shouldn't go as far as the mackems have done but if it's a promising young player who has to gone to the biggest club in the country for £10m-15m 6 months previous, brought in to add a bit of depth to the squad in attacking positions when your owner won't spend any money then it's something to consider IMO.  The reason I brought up the likes of the Lukaku at West Brom and Sturridge at Bolton situations is that leaving your squad short is a worse alternative than filling the gap in some way - Ashley seems to spend a few quid every now and then but nowhere near often enough to ensure our squad's competitive enough much of the time.  I'd like to think we'll plug these gaps eventually in the way that Bolton and West Brom didn't, but it takes us forever to do so given how stubborn we are with transfers.

 

Again short term fixes (and in this case questionable fix, if it further reduces HBA's first team opportunities, personally I think that's have a huge negative impact on us long term). Need to resist stuff like this IMO.

[Interpolic]

OK, let's continue bringing on Obertan when we could be bringing on Zaha instead.  You're also ignoring the fact we've been exceptionally fortunate with injuries this season so far.  That won't last, and there'll be shite in our first team and not shite that will improve but shite that is there to fill the numbers in our squad.

[ponsaelius]

Still daint want the cunt.

[afar]

OK, let's continue bringing on Obertan when we could be bringing on Zaha instead.  You're also ignoring the fact we've been exceptionally fortunate with injuries this season so far.  That won't last, and there'll be s**** in our first team and not s**** that will improve but s**** that is there to fill the numbers in our squad.

 

Obertan as an impact sub, is something I would prefer to see ahead of Zaha tbh, at least it's our player, maybe increasing his value. But who are you kidding, it's HBA that'll be impacted most. It's been HBA coming off the bench in the last few games not Obertan.

[Interpolic]

We have no injuries to attacking players at the moment,  I might as well just keep repeating the point since it's not registering.

[Dr.Spaceman]

I hate the idea of loaning players, really glad we don't do it. Much rather see one of our own players get game time before some cunt like Zaha. Fuck it, I'd rather we recalled Gosling or Amalfitano tbh.

[David Icke - Son of God]

I don't see a point loaning a player to sit on the bench. I'd rather give Sammy a go.

[Guest]

Yeah, unless it's with the view to buying, I hate the loan system.

[Cronky]

Pardew has strong Palace connections and it looks like he's keen to land Zaha, fuelled by recommendations from there.

 

Zaha's game seems to be going backwards at the moment. He built an early reputation, which then slipped, and too often now he tries to do something spectacular with the ball, just to prove himself. He's playing far too much as an individual.

 

I still think Sammy has what it takes and Zaha would only block his chances. No thanks.

[Toonpack]

I don't see a point loaning a player to sit on the bench. I'd rather give Sammy a go.

 

That could be a problem. Without an option to buy as part of the deal, I doubt he would be a benchwarmer I suspect any straightforward loan deal would have a "if fit, he plays" clause in it and if that was the case you're dropping your own players (who let's face it are performing well) down the pecking order for the benefit of bringing on someone else's player.

 

I'd rather give Sammy a go, when/if needed, as well.

 

I absolutely HATE the loan system.

[loki679]

Loans within the same division are stupid.  I can see the value of sending a young player out to a lower division side where he can get games and experience but loans between two teams in the same division need to be banned.

[Hanshithispantz]

Whether the loan system needs to be banned or not I don't see the problem with us taking advantage of it whilst we can. As for Sammy, we're blocking his progress by not loaning him out ourselves, the same as a few others.

 

He's not good enough for us at the moment and he probably never will be when he's having a 5-10 minute appearances from the bench every now and then. So bringing in Zaha wouldn't really be a problem, it could actually be beneficial to Sammy's progress if we play it right.

 

Gerard Deulofeu has started 2 games for Everton fwiw, I don't think this "must play" clause really exists.

[BrettNUFC]

Big fan of Zaha but i just can't see where he can fit in here really. Gouff/Sissoko have positions nailed down in a 4-4-2 at the moment, Zaha's workrate isn't one to match any of them two. We've already got Ben Arfa pushing for a start and we are never going to have Ben Arfa/Zaha starting with Pardew in charge.

 

Developing talent for clubs below you in the league seems a strange method anyways

[Hanshithispantz]

OK, let's continue bringing on Obertan when we could be bringing on Zaha instead.  You're also ignoring the fact we've been exceptionally fortunate with injuries this season so far.  That won't last, and there'll be s**** in our first team and not s**** that will improve but s**** that is there to fill the numbers in our squad.

 

Obertan as an impact sub, is something I would prefer to see ahead of Zaha tbh, at least it's our player, maybe increasing his value. But who are you kidding, it's HBA that'll be impacted most. It's been HBA coming off the bench in the last few games not Obertan.

Obertan playing probably decreases his value.

[Toonpack]

Whether the loan system needs to be banned or not I don't see the problem with us taking advantage of it whilst we can. As for Sammy, we're blocking his progress by not loaning him out ourselves, the same as a few others.

 

He's not good enough for us at the moment and he probably never will be when he's having a 5-10 minute appearances from the bench every now and then. So bringing in Zaha wouldn't really be a problem, it could actually be beneficial to Sammy's progress if we play it right.

 

Gerard Deulofeu has started 2 games for Everton fwiw, I don't think this "must play" clause really exists.

 

It's not there in every case but could easily be inserted. If you are Man U what's the value in sending someone somewhere to sit on a bench when they could do the same and stay within your system, other than saving some/part of their wages, which to be fair isn't a big motivator for MUFC.

[Hanshithispantz]

At Man Utd he's only played about 30 minutes total all season though. Again with Deulofeu, Barcelona could have loaned him out to somewhere he would be starting every game off the belt but they haven't and he's not. Zaha would get significantly more game time here than he would at Man Utd, which could be enough of an incentive.

 

I don't even know if I want him either tbh, I would just prefer we took advantage of the loan system more than we do currently if we're too cheap to buy the players we need, and everyone else will probably be saying the same a couple of months down the line when Jonas is starting games.

[Nobody]

If we're loaning anyone from Man U it should be Hernandez because he wants more game time before the WC (not very realistic, I know), anyone else can do one as far as I'm concerned.

[sixx]

I still think Sammy has what it takes and Zaha would only block his chances. No thanks.

 

I admire your optimisim. I really do.

[LRD]

No club will agree to a 'must play' clause when it will open up a can of problems. Will you be obliged to play a penalty if he doesn't and is such a penalty legit in the first place? Or the manager is forced to play a disinterested loanee or rush him back from any injuries?

 

Barca are smart with the Deulofeu loan though - if he plays a certain % of games, Everton don't have to play a loan fee. That's the way it should be really.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Barca are smart with the Deulofeu loan though - if he plays a certain % of games, Everton don't have to play a loan fee. That's the way it should be really.

 

Not that that will really influence his selection either.

[LRD]

Fwiw I am open to the rare couple of quality loanees since our owner is a stingy cunt. Not more than that though or we find ourselves in a mackem situation where we depend heavily on the loan system developing other clubs' players, and having to rebuild every season when the loans expire. For the same reason I'm not interested in developmental players who aren't going to contribute much here. Neither would the loaning club if their players don't play I suspect.

[LRD]

Barca are smart with the Deulofeu loan though - if he plays a certain % of games, Everton don't have to play a loan fee. That's the way it should be really.

 

Not that that will really influence his selection either.

 

Not with the Deulofeu/ Everton case but it would be a nice incentive when you send a developmental player - the likes of Sammy, Bigirimana, Ferguson - out on loan.

[Dave]

Alan Pardew says that Newcastle United’s autumn surge means they can afford to be more “calculating” in the “difficult” January transfer window.

 

And while he would welcome new recruits, the Magpies boss says that the club’s fine form means they do not have to do any business in January.

 

The January window swings open in two weeks and United have held a series of summits over the last fortnight to outline possible targets in a window they have traditionally favoured.

 

With contracts winding down across the Continent and the added injection of the desperation of struggling clubs, Newcastle have been able to extract some value from the January market – most notably by securing Papiss Cisse and Mathieu Debuchy for much lower fees than they’d had turned down in the previous windows.

 

Last January they were in a weaker position after recognising the need to strengthen the squad to shore up their survival chances, but this year Pardew predicts a more methodical approach which will see them target one or two players to add quality rather than last year’s recruitment

 

drive. The club’s main senior target is to sign a striker but they are monitoring a number of players in the Massadio Haidara mould who could add strength-in-depth to their squad and promise for the future.

 

Lyon front man Bafetimbi Gomis’ wage demands have seen him ruled out in the early stages of the reckoning, but the Magpies have a small list of potential targets.

 

Pardew said: “I think we can be very calculated in this window.

 

“If you are in a good position, there is no need to rush anything,” he said.

 

“In the corresponding window last year, we really needed to do some business and when you need to do business, I think it is a difficult window.

 

“When you don’t need to do business, which perhaps you can argue we don’t, then maybe you can look at it in a more calculated manner.”

 

[Dave]

And so it begins.