The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Ivan Juric to Southampton

[Mikky]

23 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

Conte leaving Inter.

Spalletti to Napoli.

Gattuso to Fiorentina.

Proper merry-go-round.

Ffs. Napoli - one dud to another 

[Ben]

Why is Conte leaving Inter ? 

[Mikky]

6 minutes ago, Ben said:

Why is Conte leaving Inter ? 

Knowing Conte I suspect budgets - very similar to Rafa in some ways - back me or sack me 

[Ben]

1 minute ago, Mikky said:

Knowing Conte I suspect budgets - very similar to Rafa in some ways - back me or sack me 

I wonder if he's off to PSG 

[nbthree3]

Suning are the majority shareholders in Inter which is indirectly owned by the Chinese government (I say that, they've essentially told Suning to stop all foreign investment hence the fiasco at Inter, they can't invest so long as the government controls this), and the pandemic has ruined their finances. Inter are making loads of cuts like 20% to Conte's contract and player sales to keep afloat and that isn't possible when Conte wants the best for the team. They agreed a deal recently with Oaktree Capital though the PIF were also interested in about 30% of the club to help support them. Suning still want out so that's a saga that'll continue

 

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by nbthree3

[joeyt]

3 European managers who have won leagues this season immediately leaving

[ponsaelius]

Yeah I think Suning have basically said your budget is zero. Possibly even a big sale somewhere to settle things. 

Conte clearly not interested in that. Bit weak though. 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by ponsaelius

[Mikky]

9 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

Yeah I think Suning have basically said your budget is zero. Possibly even a big sale somewhere to settle things. 

Conte clearly not interested in that. Bit weak though. 

Have to raise £80m via sales apparently 

[toon25]

Inter haven't just shot themselves in foot but rather blown their fucking heads off.

They had a real chance to dominate Serie A for years to come.

[Pilko]

Malky Mackay is back as Ross County manager. Fingers crossed there's no gay snakes on the staff there.

[rgk_lfc]

11 hours ago, Nobody said:

Really think the whole "Poch didn't win a trophy" at Spurs is a load of tosh. It's incredibly hard to win a trophy in England, especially with how good Man City and Liverpool has been lately. The fact that he got them challenging, consistent top 4 and a CL final is very impressive considering what he was up against. The fact that Leicester has gone and won two bloody trophies in the last five years shouldn't take anything away from that neither; they are just an absolute fairy tale come true. 

Spurs fan at work says the same; Poch is his favourite ever Spurs manager. 

Klopp was the holder of "cannot win a trophy" or "bottler" tag when he lost 5 or 6 finals in a row. Then he went out and spent 130 million on Van Dijk and Alisson (thank you Barcelona) and he started winning stuff. Now Poch and to a certain extent Rodgers holds that tag because he failed to qualify for top 4 at the last hurdle. If Poch had access to Van Dijk and Alisson, maybe he would be a legendary CL winning manager and Klopp would still be the bottler? Not everyone can be Rafa and win the lot (UEFA cup, Champions League, La Liga) by the time they turned 45. 

When it comes to the business end of the season Rodgers and Poch and Klopp pretty much had squeezed everything out of the squad. Often when they face hurdles, they don't have the bodies to counter tactically and fall short. They run out of options. Poch and Rodgers should be praised for getting their teams to the final hurdle while playing attractive football. When we were challenging for the title under Rodgers, opposition fans like to point out the slip and Crystanbul. Yes, those events mattered (and was funny for opposition fans), not denying that. But we had started to run out of gas way beyond that, Suarez had 3 goals and 1  assist in the final 8 games of that title challenge. He had 28 goals and 16 assists in the previous 25 games. He was "pressed" out and we could see that in every player. And we could not rest Suarez, or Sturridge, or Gerrard or Coutinho due to lack of options. I am sure Spurs fans can come up with similar statistics for some of the Poch seasons when they finished second. 

Can a team playing counter pressing football consistently win trophies? That is an interesting football question worthy of discussion rather than labeling managers by just looking at outcomes. The only person who has been consistently successful with pressing football is Pep, who always had a top quality squad. Klopp when he won with both Dortmund and Liverpool, had assembled a very good squad and was lucky with injuries during the time he won.  Bielsa is another manager who's teams have the reputation of starting on fire and then his teams peter out during the business end of the season. In fact, when we defeated Spurs in the CL final, we played more like a Rafa (or an early Mourinho) team than a Klopp team. Got the early goal and then let them have the ball, defended in numbers, cutoff the attacking channels, and counterattacked when we had the chance. Even Rodgers Leicester played pragmatic football in the FA cup final against Chelsea. There could potentially be an upper limit to what you can achieve with counterpressing football for most clubs.

Personally think that Poch is a quality coach. Of course, if he fails to win the league with PSG next season, he will deserve the tags which will come along with it. 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by rgk_lfc

[Deuce]

Be interested to see where Conte ends up.

[Guest HTT II]

1 hour ago, rgk_lfc said:

Klopp was the holder of "cannot win a trophy" or "bottler" tag when he lost 5 or 6 finals in a row. Then he went out and spent 130 million on Van Dijk and Alisson (thank you Barcelona) and he started winning stuff. Now Poch and to a certain extent Rodgers holds that tag because he failed to qualify for top 4 at the last hurdle. If Poch had access to Van Dijk and Alisson, maybe he would be a legendary CL winning manager and Klopp would still be the bottler? Not everyone can be Rafa and win the lot (UEFA cup, Champions League, La Liga) by the time they turned 45. 

When it comes to the business end of the season Rodgers and Poch and Klopp pretty much had squeezed everything out of the squad. Often when they face hurdles, they don't have the bodies to counter tactically and fall short. They run out of options. Poch and Rodgers should be praised for getting their teams to the final hurdle while playing attractive football. When we were challenging for the title under Rodgers, opposition fans like to point out the slip and Crystanbul. Yes, those events mattered (and was funny for opposition fans), not denying that. But we had started to run out of gas way beyond that, Suarez had 3 goals and 1  assist in the final 8 games of that title challenge. He had 28 goals and 16 assists in the previous 25 games. He was "pressed" out and we could see that in every player. And we could not rest Suarez, or Sturridge, or Gerrard or Coutinho due to lack of options. I am sure Spurs fans can come up with similar statistics for some of the Poch seasons when they finished second. 

Can a team playing counter pressing football consistently win trophies? That is an interesting football question worthy of discussion rather than labeling managers by just looking at outcomes. The only person who has been consistently successful with pressing football is Pep, who always had a top quality squad. Klopp when he won with both Dortmund and Liverpool, had assembled a very good squad and was lucky with injuries during the time he won.  Bielsa is another manager who's teams have the reputation of starting on fire and then his teams peter out during the business end of the season. In fact, when we defeated Spurs in the CL final, we played more like a Rafa (or an early Mourinho) team than a Klopp team. Got the early goal and then let them have the ball, defended in numbers, cutoff the attacking channels, and counterattacked when we had the chance. Even Rodgers Leicester played pragmatic football in the FA cup final against Chelsea. There could potentially be an upper limit to what you can achieve with counterpressing football for most clubs.

Personally think that Poch is a quality coach. Of course, if he fails to win the league with PSG next season, he will deserve the tags which will come along with it. 

Good post and some very insightful stuff.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by HTT II

[Guest HTT II]

13 minutes ago, Tomato Deuce said:

Be interested to see where Conte ends up.

If I’m a Spurs or an Arsenal I’d be all over him, Italian managers tend to be successful in our game, even ones that weren’t Italian but played in Italy like Gullit won things. 

[nbthree3]

Allegri to RM then

[Guest HTT II]

Off to Juve you’d imagine or maybe the French national team after the Euros?

[Ben]

Big Sam misses out again.

[toon25]

Talk of Simeone to Inter. Surely not?

[Yorkie]

Would love Conte here under new owners. 

Not sure what to make of Howe going to Celtic. Wonder if he's looked at Rodgers and thought he'd get great experience there and come back to England in a few years a much rounded manager. Rather than go to Palace for instance and have to navigate another relegation battle. 

[nbthree3]

Poch back to Spurs then? 

 

[joeyt]

That would be mad

[mrmojorisin75]

Wonder what they paid him when he was sacked

[nbthree3]

I know I've seen things like Levy's greatest mistake was sacking Poch or something. Finding it hard to settle with Leonardo apparently, Poch 

[nbthree3]

And Ali Gold who confirms it, essentially is a "tier 0" according to Twitter like a "club statement". Maybe a Ryder with a bit of talent to him, having solid club sources? 

[Collage]

Think it’ll happen