Stifler Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 What would you expect a club of Boro's budget & stature to achieve without Pulis? This might be controversial but Boro have been massive overachievers throughout their history. Typically for a club of their support stature and even for the population size of Boro most clubs would typically be in the lower leagues or bottom end of the Championship. Instead they have spent the majority of their history in the Premier League/Division 1. They also have a League Cup win and a European final appearance to their name. They won the lottery with Gibson, not only did he rescue them from going bust, but he also arrived at a time when the Premier League was taking off and he managed to make them an established side within it at a time when bigger clubs than them were falling from it and down the leagues. I do wonder if they will ever just fall away to what their natural level ought to be, they nearly did a few years ago. The majority of their history in the top flight? Doesn't sound right, they're the quintessential second tier club aren't they? 66 years in the Premier League/Division 1, 40-something years in the 2nd tier, and 1 year in the 3rd tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 What would you expect a club of Boro's budget & stature to achieve without Pulis? This might be controversial but Boro have been massive overachievers throughout their history. Typically for a club of their support stature and even for the population size of Boro most clubs would typically be in the lower leagues or bottom end of the Championship. Instead they have spent the majority of their history in the Premier League/Division 1. They also have a League Cup win and a European final appearance to their name. They won the lottery with Gibson, not only did he rescue them from going bust, but he also arrived at a time when the Premier League was taking off and he managed to make them an established side within it at a time when bigger clubs than them were falling from it and down the leagues. I do wonder if they will ever just fall away to what their natural level ought to be, they nearly did a few years ago. The majority of their history in the top flight? Doesn't sound right, they're the quintessential second tier club aren't they? 66 years in the Premier League/Division 1, 40-something years in the 2nd tier, and 1 year in the 3rd tier. Wow, fair enough. Guess that's a generational thing, when I was young they were standard second tier shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Stifler, the Teesside urban area is for sure big enough to host a Premier League team and most certainly a Championship one. Lower leagues is a bit harsh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Stifler, the Teesside urban area is for sure big enough to host a Premier League team and most certainly a Championship one. Lower leagues is a bit harsh. 4 clubs in the PL today from cities with a lower population than Boro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Which ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Bournemouth, Burnley, Brighton, and Huddersfield Guessing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Nearest good size clubs are Hull, Leeds, us & Sunderland. Fair catchment area. Stockton for instance has a population not too far off what Middlesbrough is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Is that his old West Brom scarf? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I still think he'll struggle to take them up this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Really weird place for him to go like. Fair play I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Wonder if he went to the interview with the old baseball cap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Cracking appointment for them to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Aye, he's someone who'll definitely take them up in the next 18 months and probably keep them up initially. As a 3-4 year appointment until they stabilise in the Premier League again, great appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 To the last two posts. Decent enough for us too because he could easily have come in to a team like Swansea and kept them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I see nowt in him to say he's a sure thing to take them up. Playing for promotion where you have to win every week is very different from the way he's been managing for the last ten years. His promotion with Stoke was a career first, in any division, and the last team to be promoted from the second tier with a lower points total than Stoke got was in 1988. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Pulis really isn't used to smiling is he. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Day Gadgie Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I see nowt in him to say he's a sure thing to take them up. Playing for promotion where you have to win every week is very different from the way he's been managing for the last ten years. His promotion with Stoke was a career first, in any division, and the last team to be promoted from the second tier with a lower points total than Stoke got was in 1988. Interesting stats them. I'm quite intrigued to see how he does now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I see nowt in him to say he's a sure thing to take them up. Playing for promotion where you have to win every week is very different from the way he's been managing for the last ten years. His promotion with Stoke was a career first, in any division, and the last team to be promoted from the second tier with a lower points total than Stoke got was in 1988. Interesting stats them. I'm quite intrigued to see how he does now. Slightly incorrect actually, he did take Gillingham up from the 4th tier in 2nd place in 1995. You can tell they were his team like, check out the goals for and against compared to everyone else. height=600https://i.imgur.com/TGQba6d.png[/img] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Apparently boro's defence has been a mess under monk and it's basically the some one they've had for the last 2 years, so I suspect he'll sort that out. They'll make the play-offs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 That's Valencia title-winning stats-esque. 20 goals conceded in 46 games is unreal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Certainly no guarantees but you have to think it's probably a good appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 I see nowt in him to say he's a sure thing to take them up. Playing for promotion where you have to win every week is very different from the way he's been managing for the last ten years. His promotion with Stoke was a career first, in any division, and the last team to be promoted from the second tier with a lower points total than Stoke got was in 1988. Devil's advocate wise you might look at it and say he's been pragmatic during his time in the PL, often having to manage with less resources than his opponents. They've got two big strikers who can score and a decent back four theoretically, I wouldn't be shocked to see them up through the playoffs now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 It'll be interesting to see how he approaches it. He's always been used to scrapping for survival, any means necessary, keep it tight and grind the results out to reach a certain number of points. Now he's going to have to switch things completely and look to attack, score and win as many games as possible. Complete flip of mentality for him, I'll be interested to see how he goes about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 If the choice was between Middlesbrough and Swansea, I’d have taken the former as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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