The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Guest]

1 minute ago, papo said:

What's left now for De Zerbi? Sunderland? 

 

Hell probably be in one of the big Serie A jobs by October.

[Ben]

I bet Coventry hope they draw Man Utd in one of the cups so they can get revenge.

[Froggy]

4 hours ago, timnufc22 said:

Agree, I can’t remember seeing a team so blatantly down tools and not play for a manager as much as last season with them. Obviously a cup final is different on the day (and I reckon the players probably thought he was leaving afterwards anyway).

 

The players will be thinking not only do they not like him, clearly the board don’t like him either but couldn’t find a good replacement. They’ll sense that no confidence and walk over him even more.

 

Could be wrong and I’m not saying the players are in the right, I think they’re a disgrace, I couldn’t believe what I was watching last season with them. 

 

This is blatantly untrue. The players never downed tools for Ten Hag, and he has the support of almost all of our players. They wanted him to stay. 

 

Sancho and Rashford are the only two. You're asked to run in a Ten Hag team, and they're two of the laziest players I've ever seen. People are acting like Ten Hag is in the wrong because Sancho dribbled past Nuno Mendes a few times in the Champions League semi, but the reality is that he has been poor for Dortmund and he's been shit under multiple managers for us. He'll be sold regardless. 

 

And again, not a single solitary mention in this thread about how we were forced to play Casemiro and Jonny Evans at centre back with no recognised left back.  as if that has no impact on how we played. Anyone who watched the FA Cup seen how important Martinez is for the way Ten Hag wants to play. 

 

No disrespect, but 100+ injuries in two seasons, 30+ different back fours this season, and you're all laughing at a manger who's won us two cups while you haven't won anything in 50 years. It's incredibly strange. 

[Ben]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

This is blatantly untrue. The players never downed tools for Ten Hag, and he has the support of almost all of our players. They wanted him to stay. 

 

Sancho and Rashford are the only two. You're asked to run in a Ten Hag team, and they're two of the laziest players I've ever seen. People are acting like Ten Hag is in the wrong because Sancho dribbled past Nuno Mendes a few times in the Champions League semi, but the reality is that he has been poor for Dortmund and he's been shit under multiple managers for us. He'll be sold regardless. 

 

And again, not a single solitary mention in this thread about how we were forced to play Casemiro and Jonny Evans at centre back with no recognised left back.  as if that has no impact on how we played. Anyone who watched the FA Cup seen how important Martinez is for the way Ten Hag wants to play. 

 

No disrespect, but 100+ injuries in two seasons, 30+ different back fours this season, and you're all laughing at a manger who's won us two cups while you haven't won anything in 50 years. It's incredibly strange. 

 

I agree with what you are saying but imagine if Man U have a poor start to the season. Poch, De Zerbi and Potter all have a sword of Damocles hanging over Ten Hag. He's in a no win situation and his boss is a Donut that won't spend the money to move Man U forward. This is just Rafa with Ashley.

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Next twist - the extended contract they offer him is predicated on a big reduction in his severance package.

[Nucasol]

Less bad outcome for them than hiring Slothgate. Ten Hag has proven he can win things with them. I don’t think he’ll be giving Arteta or Guardiola cause for concern at the top of the league but he’s light years ahead of the clown in the cardigan.

 

Things must be tighter than we thought financially if they can’t pay Ten Hag and his staff off though.

[Ben]

1 minute ago, Nucasol said:

Less bad outcome for them than hiring Slothgate. Ten Hag has proven he can win things with them. I don’t think he’ll be giving Arteta or Guardiola cause for concern at the top of the league but he’s light years ahead of the clown in the cardigan.

 

Things must be tighter than we thought financially if they can’t pay Ten Hag and his staff off though.

 

Aye, they can't even afford admin staff these days.

[Froggy]

23 minutes ago, Ben said:

I agree with what you are saying but imagine if Man U have a poor start to the season. Poch, De Zerbi and Potter all have a sword of Damocles hanging over Ten Hag. He's in a no win situation and his boss is a Donut that won't spend the money to move Man U forward. This is just Rafa with Ashley.

 

Most managers have the sword of Damocles hanging over them. Ten Hag isn't an idiot. He knew his future with us was on the line with that FA Cup final.

 

We met with managers before that final so if the club decided to part ways with the manager, so that we'd have a new manager in place immediately if required. If we didn't do that, and decided to sack Ten Hag, and were then scrambling about trying to find a new manager before the new season, we'd be called amateur then as well. There's nothing wrong with having contingency plans, and every club does it.

[gdm]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Most managers have the sword of Damocles hanging over them. Ten Hag isn't an idiot. He knew his future with us was on the line with that FA Cup final.

 

We met with managers before that final so if the club decided to part ways with the manager, so that we'd have a new manager in place immediately if required. If we didn't do that, and decided to sack Ten Hag, and were then scrambling about trying to find a new manager before the new season, we'd be called amateur then as well. There's nothing wrong with having contingency plans, and every club does it.

Exactly they were so desperate to get rid of him they started talking to managers before an FA Cup final. Now he stays when they don’t really want him. Can’t be good 

[Geogaddi]

Excellent news for us that Ten Hag is staying , I know people say he has won trophies but Man United always have a better chance than anyone bar Man City really of winning a trophy , it's just built into them as a club unfortunately.  We could be top of the league next season and they could be mid table and I would still expect them to beat us in a cup final sadly .
 

They can be a total mess in the league and still win a trophy regardless of who the manager is . Feel a lot more confident of finishing above them in the league next season though with Ten Hag as manager .

 

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by Geogaddi

[Dandy Man]

Yeah publicly stating that your manager is persona non grata before then spending several weeks failing to find a replacement and then backing the previously unwanted manager is actually a perfectly normal and stabilising thing to do

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, gdm said:

Exactly they were so desperate to get rid of him they started talking to managers before an FA Cup final. Now he stays when they don’t really want him. Can’t be good 

 

Keeping your options open isn't desperation to get rid. You think your Saudi boys aren't keeping tabs on other managers? Despite the job Howe has done, if he loses 4 or 5 on the bounce to start the season, you think he won't have the sword of Damocles hanging over him as well? 

 

Just now, Geogaddi said:

Man United always have a better chance than anyone bar Man City really of winning a trophy , it's just built into them as a club unfortunately.

 

Utter nonsense.  One of the most nonsense statements I've ever read actually.

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, Dandy Man said:

Yeah publicly stating that your manager is persona non grata before then spending several weeks failing to find a replacement and then backing the previously unwanted manager is actually a perfectly normal and stabilising thing to do

 

I'll take things that didn't happen for $200 Alex.

[Geogaddi]

3 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Keeping your options open isn't desperation to get rid. You think your Saudi boys aren't keeping tabs on other managers? Despite the job Howe has done, if he loses 4 or 5 on the bounce to start the season, you think he won't have the sword of Damocles hanging over him as well? 

 

 

Utter nonsense.  One of the most nonsense statements I've ever read actually.

It's true , a crap Man United team are still capable of winning the FA cup . You have been poor for plenty of seasons since Ferguson left and still managed to win trophies and get to cup finals etc .

[Leemond]

1 minute ago, Geogaddi said:

It's true , a crap Man United team are still capable of winning the FA cup . You have been poor for plenty of seasons since Ferguson left and still managed to win trophies and get to cup finals etc .

"Poor and suffering Man Utd fans... " - Sky Sports

[Froggy]

Just now, Geogaddi said:

It's true , a crap Man United team are still capable of winning the FA cup . You have been poor for plenty of seasons since Ferguson left and still managed to win trophies and get to cup finals etc .

 

It's not true. We have been poor in comparison to Ferguson's sides sure, but it's all about context.

 

We've got to finals and won trophies because we're still good in the grand scheme of things, just nowhere near as good as we were.

[Guest]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

It's not true. We have been poor in comparison to Ferguson's sides sure, but it's all about context.

 

We've got to finals and won trophies because we're still good in the grand scheme of things, just nowhere near as good as we were.

 

Aye, I thought some of the over-confidence before we played you just before the end of the season was a bit OTT. By Man Utd standards it was a poor season but it was still on par with the season we had on paper. Just one is used to titles, top 4 finishes, one has been drilled into relegation scraps or mid-table mediocrity until the takeover. 

[Nucasol]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Keeping your options open isn't desperation to get rid. You think your Saudi boys aren't keeping tabs on other managers? Despite the job Howe has done, if he loses 4 or 5 on the bounce to start the season, you think he won't have the sword of Damocles hanging over him as well? 

 

 

Utter nonsense.  One of the most nonsense statements I've ever read actually.

How? Yourself and now Chelsea have pedigree of winning trophies, its

inbuilt in the club now. Take someone like ourselves, even Leeds, our players frequently choke whenever they find themselves at the sharp end of a season/competition.

 

I look at Chelsea winning under Di Matteo, Tuchel and yourselves under Ten Hag, completely unjustified but you continue to do it.

[gdm]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

It's not true. We have been poor in comparison to Ferguson's sides sure, but it's all about context.

 

We've got to finals and won trophies because we're still good in the grand scheme of things, just nowhere near as good as we were.

You finished 8th. Dont know the stats but surely the lowest in what 35 years? 

[Geogaddi]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

It's not true. We have been poor in comparison to Ferguson's sides sure, but it's all about context.

 

We've got to finals and won trophies because we're still good in the grand scheme of things, just nowhere near as good as we were.

You were rubbish last season for the majority of it let's be honest , yet you still managed to win the FA cup beating Liverpool and Man City along the way . I don't think any other club in the country could have pulled that off .

 

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by Geogaddi

[Froggy]

Just now, gdm said:

You finished 8th. Dont know the stats but surely the lowest in what 35 years? 

 

And probably the worst injury crisis we've had in 100 years.  

 

Just now, Geogaddi said:

You were rubbish last season for the majority of it let's be honest , yet you still managed to win the FA cup by beating Liverpool and Man City . I don't think any other club in the country could have pulled that off .

 

It's amazing what can happen when you have your starting centre backs available again isn't it?  It's almost like having Varane and Martinez instead of Casemiro and Evans is an upgrade.

 

Paul Dummett would have got 30 appearances for us this season.

[Froggy]

6 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

How? Yourself and now Chelsea have pedigree of winning trophies, its

inbuilt in the club now. Take someone like ourselves, even Leeds, our players frequently choke whenever they find themselves at the sharp end of a season/competition.

 

I look at Chelsea winning under Di Matteo, Tuchel and yourselves under Ten Hag, completely unjustified but you continue to do it.

 

I just don't buy into this at all. A team of new players, new management and new owners isn't the same team that won trophies 15 years ago.

 

And there was absolutely nothing unjustified about either of our cup wins. Poor league position this year, but the cup was fully deserved.

[gdm]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

And probably the worst injury crisis we've had in 100 years.  

No club had a worse injury crisis than Newcastle and we finished above you. 
 

I don’t think Ten Hag is a terrible manager by any means but allegedly speaking to 4 or 5 managers before deciding to keep him on isn’t good and likely won’t end well. 

[Froggy]

10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Aye, I thought some of the over-confidence before we played you just before the end of the season was a bit OTT. By Man Utd standards it was a poor season but it was still on par with the season we had on paper. Just one is used to titles, top 4 finishes, one has been drilled into relegation scraps or mid-table mediocrity until the takeover. 

 

I can understand you being confident in this game as we had a terrible Casemiro and old man Jonny Evans in centre back for it.  I could do them for pace.