Ginola Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be pissed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be p*ssed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as fuck. (not aimed at you btw) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Not entirely sure that's true, I think as a fan base in general and on here we're fairly sporting Could be wrong, but it's the impression I get. It's often to our detriment as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Is Pardew still on the BBC team for this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be p*ssed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as fuck. (not aimed at you btw) I can see why some would cheat like that, but I would never applaud it. Never. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be p*ssed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as f***. (not aimed at you btw) I'm sorry but it would taint any success we went on to achieve for me. The game must always be bigger than the prize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m594j2anZd1rrg4f0o1_500.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Only a right arsehole would be glad if Suarez was out of the World Cup. I'm quite happy being an arsehole then. Hate the prick almost as much as I hate Pardew, plus it helps England if he's out. The entire Uruguay squad could pull out with leprosy and it wouldn't improve England's chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be p*ssed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as f***. (not aimed at you btw) Flip, you're missing the point. There truly is more of a culture of that sort of gamesmanship/cheating in Uruguay and, say, Argentina, than there is in the UK. Not to say it doesn't happen here, but you're calling us hypocrites by transferring your own beliefs onto us. I don't know how I'd react to an England player doing what Suarez did in that situation because, well, an England player hasn't done what he did, but I know for a fact that most fans on here don't share your opinion on cheating in football because we've had this argument before. There was a nice piece at the time of the handball which considered one argument - that Suarez should not be condemned because it was instinctive. The counterpoint was sure, his instinct was to cheat. Much as he instinctively pirouettes and screams under contact. I think you need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of English fans truly think that stuff is wrong. We really do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be pissed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. So it's cheating then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 You lot pretending like you'd be p*ssed off if one of our own did that in CL quarter final. It's as much cheating as bringing someone down when going through on goal. I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as f***. (not aimed at you btw) Flip, you're missing the point. There truly is more of a culture of that sort of gamesmanship/cheating in Uruguay and, say, Argentina, than there is in the UK. Not to say it doesn't happen here, but you're calling us hypocrites by transferring your own beliefs onto us. I don't know how I'd react to an England player doing what Suarez did in that situation because, well, an England player hasn't done what he did, but I know for a fact that most fans on here don't share your opinion on cheating in football because we've had this argument before. There was a nice piece at the time of the handball which considered one argument - that Suarez should not be condemned because it was instinctive. The counterpoint was sure, his instinct was to cheat. Much as he instinctively pirouettes and screams under contact. I think you need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of English fans truly think that stuff is wrong. We really do. Leffe I don't buy it, sorry, but if it was your player doing it you'd be all lyrical. I'm not saying what Suarez did is right in the ethical sense, I'm just saying that what he did is what 99% of us would do ourselves or want our players to do in a situation like that. If some of you belong to that 1% then fair enough, you're better than most, but until you experience a situation like that and I see all of you being quite disgusted with qualifying and making petitions for you not to qualify as it's cheating I won't buy it. My soon 10 years on here I've seen a lot of decisions go our favour and us fans accepting it, many of these in meaningless Premier League games. Pretending like it's a cultural aspect rather than the fact that everyone wants to win at all costs is laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Absolute shite that, Flip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Absolute s**** that, Flip Rather than limiting yourself, why don't you make an attempt at actually writing something constructive like leffe did? Although tbf, I think you are in the 1% because I know your views on football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I can only speak for myself but I certainly wouldn't do that and I wouldn't want any of our players to do it either. I remember people rightly gave Shearer a bit of stick when he tried to dive once playing for England. I guess the south american mentality is a little different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I can only speak for myself but I certainly wouldn't do that and I wouldn't want any of our players to do it either. I remember people rightly gave Shearer a bit of stick when he tried to dive once playing for England. I guess the south american mentality is a little different. Fair enough for the first part. 2nd part, what game was that. 3rd part, again, it's not a South American mentality, this mentality exists within players in every league in Europe. Is Spain, Italy, Germany all South American as well? Cause I've seen as much cheating from non-SA players as I've seen from SA players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I've said a few times on here I've no problem with diving particularly, when it's a tackle that would impede a player they've every right to go down. I do do draw the line at blatant cheating like Suarez's handball though. I think we could learn a lot from the continental attitude to "diving" but what Suarez did? Not for me tbh I think that's fair enough again, but do you genuinely believe that if we were playing a 2nd leg in the the CL and someone in our team did that and we qualified that you wouldn't celebrate like a madman? It's easy to say what's wrong and what's right when oneself has never experienced it before. '66 World Cup, I guess everyone in England were pissed at the way they won the World Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I can only speak for myself but I certainly wouldn't do that and I wouldn't want any of our players to do it either. I remember people rightly gave Shearer a bit of stick when he tried to dive once playing for England. I guess the south american mentality is a little different. Fair enough for the first part. 2nd part, what game was that. 3rd part, again, it's not a South American mentality, this mentality exists within players in every league in Europe. Is Spain, Italy, Germany all South American as well? Cause I've seen as much cheating from non-SA players as I've seen from SA players. Nah, cheating spanish wannabes tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 There's no way it's 1% like. Me, leffe, Santoon and palnese on here for a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 There's no way it's 99% like. Me, leffe, Santoon and palnese on here for a start. Did you know that 74% of statistics are made up on the spot? Well now it's 75%. Also, like I said none of you have probably come even close to that, but if it had been Shearer doing it when we were in the CL and it qualified not one of you wouldn't be cheering. (maybe leffe but just switch Shearer to whatever Spurs player there is). It's like when none of us would have an owner like Man City and now that we've got Ashley some would love to have one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 There's no way it's 1% like. Me, leffe, Santoon and palnese on here for a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Seriously though, I'd much prefer a proactive rather than reactive approach to the issue. Cheating should have no place in the game. Anything that encourages it or accepts it is wrong. Secondly, I am loath to have you tell me on the one hand that it's a situation a Newcastle fan hasn't been in, whilst on the other telling me exactly how I and others would react in that situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 There's no way it's 1% like. Me, leffe, Santoon and palnese on here for a start. Sorry mate, I just meant this morning. So there are 5, at least, that wouldn't do the same and wouldn't want their players doing the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Seriously though, I'd much prefer a proactive rather than reactive approach to the issue. Cheating should have no place in the game. Anything that encourages it or accepts it is wrong. Secondly, I am loathe to have you tell me on the one hand that it's a situation a Newcastle fan hasn't been in, whilst on the other telling me exactly how I and others would react in that situation. I agree, the punishment doesn't really fit the crime so little shits like Suarez will always push their luck. Should have sent him to prison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 You know what IP, forget it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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