Guest firetotheworks Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Both s*** BLANKS FIRED! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Ronaldo is the complete footballer. If you were to design the ultimate footballer, I would imagine that he would end up being like him. Tall, strong, fast, skillful, good in the air, excellent positioning, lethal finisher and a brilliant, winning mentality. Messi is all of those things without looking like the complete footballer. He's more one footed and obviously not as prolific in the air. He's a better dribbler by a distance for me though and at his best a much better player all round. I remember a quote from someone whose name escapes me, but it was "Ronaldo is the best player in the world, but Messi is on another planet" and that pretty much sums it up for me. At any other time we'd be talking about Ronaldo being one of the best players of all time, and he is. But Messi is something really special that I've only ever seen for that 1 or 2 years before Original Ronaldo got injured. That quote sums it up for me. Ronaldo is brilliant but Messi is a God like footballer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Messi's better, almost impossible to make a good case arguing otherwise. Ronaldo is tremendous, one of the best goalscorers the game has ever seen, he's proven that beyond doubt. Messi's brilliant at pretty much everything though, and might just be the best all round player the game has ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 They're different players. Both great. Ronaldo is world class in his own right. He's just as good as Messi technically and has superior conditioning. Messi edges it on dribbling purely because the style of dribbling he does (short sharp touches) and has a slightly better mentality. Ronaldo has a great attitude, of course. He's as good as he is because he works so damn hard. He's earned his status. However Messi works jut as hard but also has a naturally cooler temperament. Players play well when they're relaxed and happy. You can see it when Ronaldo thinks it's easy and almost doesn't give a shit, he'll run rings around anyone. When he plays for Portugal he's going out onto the pitch with something to prove, he tenses up, tries to force it, and he ends up not being his best. Messi, as a cooler character, doesn't seem fazed by the spotlight and for that reason alone I'd maybe edge him above Ronaldo. But really, they're both #1 and #2 in the world... which is which comes down to who is playing better on the day. Messi doesn't edge it on dribbling, he destroys him on dribbling along with most other things They have a completely different style of dribbling. You're not comparing like for like. Messi's style favors tighter spaces, he doesn't give much away with his body, but overall it's not complicated. The only remarkable factor is how quickly he does it. Those little inside-outside movements are things my kids can do. It's his speed, balance and his smarts that make him so good. Ronaldo, from a purely technical standpoint, has a greater range of movement, uses his body well to sell moves, but tends to take longer strides which means he's not as good when swamped by players. From a non-technical standpoint, just pure effectiveness, they're both devastating when they're on form. Messi is the more brutal, though. It's so much harder to get anywhere near him. Messi's dribbling is also prettier which is part of the reason why people think it's so much better than Ronaldo's 40,000 step overs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Ronaldo is the complete footballer. If you were to design the ultimate footballer, I would imagine that he would end up being like him. Tall, strong, fast, skillful, good in the air, excellent positioning, lethal finisher and a brilliant, winning mentality. Messi is all of those things without looking like the complete footballer. He's more one footed and obviously not as prolific in the air. He's a better dribbler by a distance for me though and at his best a much better player all round. I remember a quote from someone whose name escapes me, but it was "Ronaldo is the best player in the world, but Messi is on another planet" and that pretty much sums it up for me. At any other time we'd be talking about Ronaldo being one of the best players of all time, and he is. But Messi is something really special that I've only ever seen for that 1 or 2 years before Original Ronaldo got injured. That quote sums it up for me. Ronaldo is brilliant but Messi is a God like footballer triggs with the opini..oh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Love this stadium Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 They're different players. Both great. Ronaldo is world class in his own right. He's just as good as Messi technically and has superior conditioning. Messi edges it on dribbling purely because the style of dribbling he does (short sharp touches) and has a slightly better mentality. Ronaldo has a great attitude, of course. He's as good as he is because he works so damn hard. He's earned his status. However Messi works jut as hard but also has a naturally cooler temperament. Players play well when they're relaxed and happy. You can see it when Ronaldo thinks it's easy and almost doesn't give a shit, he'll run rings around anyone. When he plays for Portugal he's going out onto the pitch with something to prove, he tenses up, tries to force it, and he ends up not being his best. Messi, as a cooler character, doesn't seem fazed by the spotlight and for that reason alone I'd maybe edge him above Ronaldo. But really, they're both #1 and #2 in the world... which is which comes down to who is playing better on the day. Messi doesn't edge it on dribbling, he destroys him on dribbling along with most other things They have a completely different style of dribbling. You're not comparing like for like. Messi's style favors tighter spaces, he doesn't give much away with his body, but overall it's not complicated. The only remarkable factor is how quickly he does it. Those little inside-outside movements are things my kids can do. It's his speed, balance and his smarts that make him so good. Ronaldo, from a purely technical standpoint, has a greater range of movement, uses his body well to sell moves, but tends to take longer strides which means he's not as good when swamped by players. From a non-technical standpoint, just pure effectiveness, they're both devastating when they're on form. Messi is the more brutal, though. It's so much harder to get anywhere near him. Messi's dribbling is also prettier which is part of the reason why people think it's so much better than Ronaldo's 40,000 step overs. Yes but its not the style that I am basing the opinion that Messi is a better dribbler on, its the fact that he is statistically way more successful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Ricardo Rodriguez looks and runs exactly like Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 They're different players. Both great. Ronaldo is world class in his own right. He's just as good as Messi technically and has superior conditioning. Messi edges it on dribbling purely because the style of dribbling he does (short sharp touches) and has a slightly better mentality. Ronaldo has a great attitude, of course. He's as good as he is because he works so damn hard. He's earned his status. However Messi works jut as hard but also has a naturally cooler temperament. Players play well when they're relaxed and happy. You can see it when Ronaldo thinks it's easy and almost doesn't give a shit, he'll run rings around anyone. When he plays for Portugal he's going out onto the pitch with something to prove, he tenses up, tries to force it, and he ends up not being his best. Messi, as a cooler character, doesn't seem fazed by the spotlight and for that reason alone I'd maybe edge him above Ronaldo. But really, they're both #1 and #2 in the world... which is which comes down to who is playing better on the day. Messi doesn't edge it on dribbling, he destroys him on dribbling along with most other things They have a completely different style of dribbling. You're not comparing like for like. Messi's style favors tighter spaces, he doesn't give much away with his body, but overall it's not complicated. The only remarkable factor is how quickly he does it. Those little inside-outside movements are things my kids can do. It's his speed, balance and his smarts that make him so good. Ronaldo, from a purely technical standpoint, has a greater range of movement, uses his body well to sell moves, but tends to take longer strides which means he's not as good when swamped by players. From a non-technical standpoint, just pure effectiveness, they're both devastating when they're on form. Messi is the more brutal, though. It's so much harder to get anywhere near him. Messi's dribbling is also prettier which is part of the reason why people think it's so much better than Ronaldo's 40,000 step overs. Yes but its not the style that I am basing the opinion that Messi is a better dribbler on, its the fact that he is statistically way more successful Yeah, I don't care about the stats in this context. If they're not playing the same role, in the same team, against the same opposition then the stats are meaningless. Messi is obviously the better dribbler, but I think Ronaldo is underrated in that regard. For me, the biggest difference between the two is still their temperament. Messi comes across as being in the habit of being the best player on the pitch. He just takes to it without giving it much thought. Ronaldo comes across as someone who feels the need to prove himself constantly, which leads to him trying too hard on occasion. Messi's cooler head sets him apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Higuain is playing like Shola so far this world cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/morris-feature-messi-3.png?w=610&h=523 http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/morris-feature-messi-41.png?w=610&h=678 http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/morris-feature-messi-5.png?w=610&h=475 http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/morris-feature-messi-6.png?w=610&h=479 http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/morris-feature-messi-8.png?w=610&h=505 http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/morris-feature-messi-133.png?w=610&h=440 http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/morris-feature-messi-101.png?w=610&h=460 I think you missed this post, Luca. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 If Messi wasn't a nerd and spent more time in the gym, he'd have the build of Shaqiri. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Some seriously uneventful stuff so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 If Pele can't get it up with her he might as well top himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 At any other time we'd probably be talking about Iniesta as the best in the world. In some respects he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Bet Pards is loving Rodriguez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Listen to this pair of miserable cunts, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Inler has been great so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/6yfQC16.png?1 These lineups sorted by shirt # instead of position drive me nuts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 "Mascherano likes a whinge" - Lawro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 No close-ups of Blatter? I'm turning this shit off now. That's all I was watching for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <snip> I think you missed this post, Luca. Yeah, I somehow contrived to miss that. But without context the stats don't mean much. Messi has played his entire career at Barcelona. He trained with them as a kid so was primed for that team from a very young age. For much of his time being the focus of the team. Ronaldo has had a much slower rise to dominance including well over a year where he was hit and miss at Man United while he was still finding his feet in England and dealing with the idea he can be one of the best players in the world and working towards it. It wasn't something he was being groomed for since being a kid playing in Portugal. The numbers don't exist in a vacuum. Without digging into the source it's risky business deriving too much meaning from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 What 'context' would you like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Save, Xhaka can't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Argentina been shit so far like, no urgency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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