Froggy Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. You a republic fan triggs? If so I assume you weren't arsed about Henry then? Yes and I was more pissed off at the referee than I was at Henry. The difference with the Suarez incident is that Suarez got punished and France didn't So you think what Henry did was fair enough? It's not a case of us thinking what Henry did was fair enough. I was distraught but fully accepted that one of our players probably would have tried the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompe Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 If nobody did these things then nobody would feel wronged. The ineptitude of match officials is a big enough obstacle at times, without opposition players cheating like fuck as well. Shows a total lack of respect for your opponents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 This is exactly how diving became such a big problem btw, the attitude of "well if they're doing it, we might as well do it". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it What difference does that make? He did miss the penalty and Suarez celebrated like he'd scored a 40-yarder. The incident and what happened afterwards really weren't in the spirit of the game whatsoever. He celebrated like that because his country had just qualified for a world cup semi final. Qualifying for a world cup semi final is a lot better than scoring a 40 yarder in some meaningless game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 This is exactly how diving became such a big problem btw, the attitude of "well if they're doing it, we might as well do it". It should be something far more embarrassing than it is, certainly. The buck should never have been passed to the officials/footballing authorities (who are largely shite) to deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. you're laughable man, honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. you're laughable man, honestly. I ain't mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it What difference does that make? He did miss the penalty and Suarez celebrated like he'd scored a 40-yarder. The incident and what happened afterwards really weren't in the spirit of the game whatsoever. He celebrated like that because his country had just qualified for a world cup semi final. Qualifying for a world cup semi final is a lot better than scoring a 40 yarder in some meaningless game What I mean is that he celebrated as if he was directly responsible, which he was, but not in a positive way. It was pretty disgusting to watch as a neutral, God knows what Ghana fans must have thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. you're laughable man, honestly. I ain't mad. Tbf I'll be impressed if someone blatantly cheats to put Brazil out of the WC and you still maintain this stance Like that's going to happen. Neymar is going to cheat everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it What difference does that make? He did miss the penalty and Suarez celebrated like he'd scored a 40-yarder. The incident and what happened afterwards really weren't in the spirit of the game whatsoever. He celebrated like that because his country had just qualified for a world cup semi final. Qualifying for a world cup semi final is a lot better than scoring a 40 yarder in some meaningless game What I mean is that he celebrated as if he was directly responsible, which he was, but not in a positive way. It was pretty disgusting to watch as a neutral, God knows what Ghana fans must have thought. Bit of a leap of faith you've taken there mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it What difference does that make? He did miss the penalty and Suarez celebrated like he'd scored a 40-yarder. The incident and what happened afterwards really weren't in the spirit of the game whatsoever. He celebrated like that because his country had just qualified for a world cup semi final. Qualifying for a world cup semi final is a lot better than scoring a 40 yarder in some meaningless game What I mean is that he celebrated as if he was directly responsible, which he was, but not in a positive way. It was pretty disgusting to watch as a neutral, God knows what Ghana fans must have thought. Fuck Ghana. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it What difference does that make? He did miss the penalty and Suarez celebrated like he'd scored a 40-yarder. The incident and what happened afterwards really weren't in the spirit of the game whatsoever. He celebrated like that because his country had just qualified for a world cup semi final. Qualifying for a world cup semi final is a lot better than scoring a 40 yarder in some meaningless game What I mean is that he celebrated as if he was directly responsible, which he was, but not in a positive way. It was pretty disgusting to watch as a neutral, God knows what Ghana fans must have thought. Bit of a leap of faith you've taken there mind. I just mean that if he had any sportsmanship about him whatsoever then (other than not doing it in the first place) it might have been a bit more respectful to the opposition if he'd went to the changing rooms and kept a low profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. Wat. Twas a stonewall pen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. Wat. Twas a stonewall pen. Read about it again now, and it wasnt until 2 days after that another camera angle of the incident that proved it was stonewall penalty came out. Until then it never looked like a penalty yet you all celebrated lile there was no tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest palnese Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. Wat. Twas a stonewall pen. Read about it again now, and it wasnt until 2 days after that another camera angle of the incident that proved it was stonewall penalty came out. Until then it never looked like a penalty yet you all celebrated lile there was no tomorrow. Honestly,man. What's that got to do with cheating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/23/sports/soccer/recalling-a-young-cristiano-ronaldo-who-clung-to-his-roots.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The polic crew are liars, that's what I say. Ball wasn't over the line in '66 but nee one gives a shit about that, we won the world cup. Had we punched the ball off the line at some point and they missed the pen, we still would've won the world cup, and after 6 months had passed, that's all that people would remember. The history books only show who won, not how they won. [/jerrythekinglawler] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The polic crew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The polic crew are liars, that's what I say. Ball wasn't over the line in '66 but nee one gives a s*** about that, we won the world cup. Had we punched the ball off the line at some point and they missed the pen, we still would've won the world cup, and after 6 months had passed, that's all that people would remember. The history books only show who won, not how they won. [/jerrythekinglawler] If that's the case, why are you still talking about it alomst half a century later? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The polic crew are liars, that's what I say. Ball wasn't over the line in '66 but nee one gives a s*** about that, we won the world cup. Had we punched the ball off the line at some point and they missed the pen, we still would've won the world cup, and after 6 months had passed, that's all that people would remember. The history books only show who won, not how they won. [/jerrythekinglawler] If that's the case, why are you still talking about it alomst half a century later? Absolutely woeful point. I know it happened and I am using it as an example of something that absolutely no-one in the UK considers as tarnishing our world cup win. It's a perfectly salient point, and I have little time to deal with shite replies like this. If you've not got anything worthwhile to add, at least post a hilarious animated gif. Now jog on, shithouse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 How did we cheat in 1966? Plus we won 4-2, wish everyone would stop prattling on about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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