Unbelievable Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Also, hates Holland? I think there's far more footballing teams that I dislike than the dutch team tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 If Karma exists Holland (because Flip hates us) will knock Brazil out of the WC next month after a similar incident. I fully expect Flip to be reasonable and applaud the Dutch player in question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. You leave palnese alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. You leave palnese alone. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a shame, because a fifth laughing smiley would have convinced me my own opinion on sportsmanship is flawed. You're just so, so wrong. It's not some mythical 1%, Flip. Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number. Yes, you plucked the lowest integer above zero as your hypothetical number. That has no subtext, does it? Gimme a break man. You're a junkie who is so invested in the idea that it's okay to cheat to win as long as referees apply sanctions, that you can't handle an opposing viewpoint without being patronising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a shame, because a fifth laughing smiley would have convinced me my own opinion on sportsmanship is flawed. You're just so, so wrong. It's not some mythical 1%, Flip. Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number. Yes, you plucked the lowest integer above zero as your hypothetical number. That has no subtext, does it? Gimme a break man. You're a junkie who is so invested in the idea that it's okay to cheat to win as long as referees apply sanctions, that you can't handle an opposing viewpoint without being patronising. Junkie? Right, I'll leave it at that. I've said I accept the the other viewpoint as long as it's true. History tells me something else though, and I bet that the day we win something after we've cheated our way to the final, you'll be staying home while the rest will be joining in celebrations. Good on you. http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-brazil-world-cup-posters-2014-5 Couple cool posters there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompe Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing. http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/53/538/538729/flo320_1213955673.jpg Penalty was clear as a day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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triggs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. You a republic fan triggs? If so I assume you weren't arsed about Henry then? Yes and I was more pissed off at the referee than I was at Henry. The difference with the Suarez incident is that Suarez got punished and France didn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. You a republic fan triggs? If so I assume you weren't arsed about Henry then? Yes and I was more p*ssed off at the referee than I was at Henry. The difference with the Suarez incident is that Suarez got punished and France didn't People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a shame, because a fifth laughing smiley would have convinced me my own opinion on sportsmanship is flawed. You're just so, so wrong. It's not some mythical 1%, Flip. Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number. Yes, you plucked the lowest integer above zero as your hypothetical number. That has no subtext, does it? Gimme a break man. You're a junkie who is so invested in the idea that it's okay to cheat to win as long as referees apply sanctions, that you can't handle an opposing viewpoint without being patronising. Junkie? Right, I'll leave it at that. I've said I accept the the other viewpoint as long as it's true. History tells me something else though, and I bet that the day we win something after we've cheated our way to the final, you'll be staying home while the rest will be joining in celebrations. Good on you. http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-brazil-world-cup-posters-2014-5 Couple cool posters there. You and me both know we'll never win anything. It's not as cut and dry as you've painted it IMO. If Saylor had another 'Saylor moment' next year in the 3rd round of the Cup next year, and we went on to win it (hold the bellylaughs), it's not like I'd recuse myself from being a fan and enjoying the tournament from the 3rd round onwards - the actions of one individual in one moment don't irrevocably taint the club's success, and it's perfectly possible to disapprove of poor sportsmanship but still want the team to do well/enjoy success. If it happens in the final, I'd be really ashamed though - and I'd say it spoiled the victory on the day, absolutely. Would the route to the final be retrospectively voided - absolutely not. I'd take pride in it. [This is all in some Pardewless-fantasy-land, obviously]. There are actually some things which are more important than winning to me. It's the same reason I didn't really enjoy the season we finished fifth. Style and sportsmanship are why I'm a football fan, otherwise in my head it's all actually really artless and facile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it What difference does that make? He did miss the penalty and Suarez celebrated like he'd scored a 40-yarder. The incident and what happened afterwards really weren't in the spirit of the game whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. You a republic fan triggs? If so I assume you weren't arsed about Henry then? Yes and I was more pissed off at the referee than I was at Henry. The difference with the Suarez incident is that Suarez got punished and France didn't So you think what Henry did was fair enough? It's not a case of us thinking what Henry did was fair enough. I was distraught but fully accepted that one of our players probably would have tried the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompe Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 If nobody did these things then nobody would feel wronged. The ineptitude of match officials is a big enough obstacle at times, without opposition players cheating like fuck as well. Shows a total lack of respect for your opponents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 This is exactly how diving became such a big problem btw, the attitude of "well if they're doing it, we might as well do it". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I agree with flip here on the whole Suarez thing. If Ireland were playing in a world cup quarter final I wouldn't care how we won as long as we did. In fact I would be angry if an Ireland player didn't do anything possible to stop a goal, even if that means getting sent off. Also you are all acting like Suarez had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing. In reality he had less than a second to react and did what naturally came to him. Like somebody said earlier, if your instinct is to cheat then you're a cheat. The guy spends most of his time trying to con the referee, he's never off the floor, never stops bitching and moaning. He's a cheat, don't see why the instinct argument makes it any better - in fact it makes it worse. I'm only talking about the Ghana game not any other incidents. The reality is if Gyan hadn't bottled the penalty there would be nothing said about it What difference does that make? He did miss the penalty and Suarez celebrated like he'd scored a 40-yarder. The incident and what happened afterwards really weren't in the spirit of the game whatsoever. He celebrated like that because his country had just qualified for a world cup semi final. Qualifying for a world cup semi final is a lot better than scoring a 40 yarder in some meaningless game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 This is exactly how diving became such a big problem btw, the attitude of "well if they're doing it, we might as well do it". It should be something far more embarrassing than it is, certainly. The buck should never have been passed to the officials/footballing authorities (who are largely shite) to deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. you're laughable man, honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it. The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. you're laughable man, honestly. I ain't mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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