BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Martinez is in a different league to Pardew, like. He actually is a genuine top class manager and Everton are lucky to have him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 He would have worked all week with it, comes to the game and it is epically failing. No harm in that, he tried something new, wasn't working, admitted thigns were being changed at half time and likely chances are we are back to 4-4-2 at home on Sunday. No need to go overboard over something he tried and didn't get to work. Imagine if we had a manager who could work on a new style of play, come to the game and it not epically fail though? That would be class. That's all I want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 He would have worked all week with it, comes to the game and it is epically failing. No harm in that, he tried something new, wasn't working, admitted thigns were being changed at half time and likely chances are we are back to 4-4-2 at home on Sunday. No need to go overboard over something he tried and didn't get to work. Imagine if we had a manager who could work on a new style of play, come to the game and it not epically fail though? That would be class. That's all I want i dunno man, as i said in my last post he's doing well overall and not many teams will want to play us as the away team at the moment he simply does not know how to break teams down at home though, it must be so fucking easy for the opposition manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'm enjoying us at the moment and I'm happy for it to continue (obviously ) I just don't think it can. I think we'll need to change and Pardew will have to get a new style sorted like he did 2 years ago. I fully believe in the cliched glass ceiling with Pardew too, I would love to see us grow under a new manager. Obviously an owner who isn't a complete divvy would be required too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 It's also Martinez' first season. EDIT: What mrmojorisin said Aye, but you could look at it in such a way that hes also gone to a pretty settled & well set up side already. Far more consistant than we've been over the years. The first teams are close, but i reckon they shade it. Certainly looking at results alone, is Martinez deserving of so much praise over Pards given the 1 point difference? He may improve them further, but he is using more loans to achieve it also & our football has been improved aswell. That said i do think he is the better manager but its interesting to consider. Easier to praise managers from the outside isnt it. But Martinez hasn't nearly relegated a squad of this caliber. He also won the FA cup with an abysmal one. Then obviously there's the enjoyment of watching a side playing what I would consider "good football". There's far more than just looking at a table and saying "what's the difference between the 2 of them then?" There will undoubtedly be an element of fool's gold looking from the outside, but most things about Martinez and Everton to me suggests he would be my preferred manager. He is the guy who only got the best out of Wigan when they were near relegated every season though & only then. Little consistancy, leading eventually to relegation. The cup win was v impressive & he is playing some lovely stuff with them atm. They're very hard to beat, as is shown in their few losses. They've had a lot of games without scoring though, which is where they've lost points. Is he getting the most with a striker like Lukaku at his disposal? They should be far & away from us, but they're not. Id also say some of the stuff we've played recently has matched anything they've come up with. Our issue is Pards negative lesser style of being grateful if we hold onto a win rather than having the attitude of us having a truly dominant side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I thought the lineup was good. No idea why we were rubbish for so much of the 1st half but there you go, we were. We might well have turned it around without the sending offs but, for me, this way is better. Players won't be tired, they'll be fresh and confident for Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 They should be far & away from us, but they're not. eh, we're 6 points off top aren't we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Martinez is in a different league to Pardew, like. He actually is a genuine top class manager and Everton are lucky to have him. I was a bit undecided on him until the cup final. The way Wigan came out, so completely fearless and determined to use the ball like that. Totally tipped it for me, i gave in then and thought he's clearly class! Hope he takes Everton above Liverpool in the log run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 it must be so f***ing easy for the opposition manager So easy that only one manager has managed to take 3 points from SJP... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 it must be so f***ing easy for the opposition manager So easy that only one manager has managed to take 3 points from SJP... ok brett, ok then, everything's fine then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 it must be so f***ing easy for the opposition manager So easy that only one manager has managed to take 3 points from SJP... ok brett, ok then, everything's fine then Jose, ya shite, so fucking easy man. You've got Oscar/Mata/Hazard and you couldn't even pop one goal in against a clueless Pardew, he makes it so easy for you to win at SJP and you got fuck all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I thought the lineup was good. No idea why we were rubbish for so much of the 1st half but there you go, we were. We might well have turned it around without the sending offs but, for me, this way is better. Players won't be tired, they'll be fresh and confident for Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 It's also Martinez' first season. EDIT: What mrmojorisin said Aye, but you could look at it in such a way that hes also gone to a pretty settled & well set up side already. Far more consistant than we've been over the years. The first teams are close, but i reckon they shade it. Certainly looking at results alone, is Martinez deserving of so much praise over Pards given the 1 point difference? He may improve them further, but he is using more loans to achieve it also & our football has been improved aswell. That said i do think he is the better manager but its interesting to consider. Easier to praise managers from the outside isnt it. But Martinez hasn't nearly relegated a squad of this caliber. He also won the FA cup with an abysmal one. Then obviously there's the enjoyment of watching a side playing what I would consider "good football". There's far more than just looking at a table and saying "what's the difference between the 2 of them then?" There will undoubtedly be an element of fool's gold looking from the outside, but most things about Martinez and Everton to me suggests he would be my preferred manager. Id also say some of the stuff we've played recently has matched anything they've come up with. Not a chance. Just because we play the ball along the ground a bit more people seem to think Pardew has transformed us into an attacking team. We still rely on 'moments of magic' to score goals, our transitional play is laborious and our attacking strategy often amounts to little more than swinging it into the box as soon as we reach the final third. Unlike Everton and the rest of the top teams, our players still seem unwilling to attack in numbers, presumably on Pardew's instruction. He is still holding us back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Brett, you make it canny hard to have a proper conversation with you about these things like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Brett, you make it canny hard to have a proper conversation with you about these things like. Aye when things like 'Pardew makes it so fucking easy for opposition managers' comes along. Piss take. Results have suggested otherwise and the league table is looking lovely yet people are still trying shoot him down. Pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 They should be far & away from us, but they're not. eh, we're 6 points off top aren't we? Yeah. Where would they be without a loss to Sunderland, 0-0 against Palace, Cardiff & West Brom. Failing to score against those 4 with the players he has is not top class is it? You can find their & his faults as we do with Pards. Its easier to ignore them when you focus on the good that you see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Brett, you make it canny hard to have a proper conversation with you about these things like. Aye when things like 'Pardew makes it so f***ing easy for opposition managers' comes along. p*ss take. Results have suggested otherwise and the league table is looking lovely yet people are still trying shoot him down. Pathetic. No one is criticising the results or league table though. People don't like the way that he has us playing football. It's as simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Brett, you make it canny hard to have a proper conversation with you about these things like. Aye when things like 'Pardew makes it so fucking easy for opposition managers' comes along. Piss take. Results have suggested otherwise and the league table is looking lovely yet people are still trying shoot him down. Pathetic. jesus christ dude, we know results have been good - as they were when we finished 5th - the point is performances have not (at home) and this will catch us up again can you please deal with this premise brett? why don't you fucking try that, deal with that...talk about it like someone who understands football and tell me how struggling in almost every home game is ever going to lead to success in the long term and by the way, that's shit performances with pretty much an entire first team squad available for the season so far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Brett, you make it canny hard to have a proper conversation with you about these things like. Aye when things like 'Pardew makes it so f***ing easy for opposition managers' comes along. p*ss take. Results have suggested otherwise and the league table is looking lovely yet people are still trying shoot him down. Pathetic. No one is criticising the results or league table though. People don't like the way that he has us playing football. It's as simple as that. So how does not liking his style of football turn into make life so easy for opposing managers? If he gets results with a style of football you're not fond of, it doesn't mean to say other managers find it so easy against him. Jose got a rotten game of football at the Emirates but he got the point he went for, are there fans arsed, probably not because they got a canny point. You can moan about the style of football your sides playing but if it gets positive results, that’s the main thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Shit performances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 They should be far & away from us, but they're not. eh, we're 6 points off top aren't we? Yeah. Where would they be without a loss to Sunderland, 0-0 against Palace, Cardiff & West Brom. Failing to score against those 4 with the players he has is not top class is it? You can find their & his faults as we do with Pards. Its easier to ignore them when you focus on the good that you see. no sorry, tell me how everton should be far and awayy from us when man city, arsenal, chelsea etc. aren't please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Shit performances what helps you laughing boy, "uncomfortable performances"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I don't think he makes it "easy" for other managers this season like, atleast no more than other (better) managers have made it for us. He makes it harder for himself though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 They should be far & away from us, but they're not. eh, we're 6 points off top aren't we? Yeah. Where would they be without a loss to Sunderland, 0-0 against Palace, Cardiff & West Brom. Failing to score against those 4 with the players he has is not top class is it? You can find their & his faults as we do with Pards. Its easier to ignore them when you focus on the good that you see. no sorry, tell me how everton should be far and awayy from us when man city, arsenal, chelsea etc. aren't please Eh? I just explained it to you You havent contradicted me, you're just stating that other clubs/managers have had their issues to - which i fully agree with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 We generally play better football now than we did when we finished 5th. As for the wheels coming off, unless we get injuries I don't see why we won't finish the season well. Very solid and organised, and scoring goals too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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