Interpolic Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 However, Ben Arfa could start the fixture on the bench. “I need weigh it up with everything else,” Newcastle manager Alan Pardew told the Gazette. “Hatem needs to deliver. I’m concerned with his assists and his goals. He needs to produce for us. “The last few games he’s played, there weren’t as many as there should have been. But I think his confidence is better, and I hope that part of it improves.” Yeah, maybe asking him to track back rather than express himself has affected his attacking 'stats' Al. I don't know, what do you think? Utter tool. He's barely featured since Boxing Day and even before that he was in and out of the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 However, Ben Arfa could start the fixture on the bench. “I need weigh it up with everything else,” Newcastle manager Alan Pardew told the Gazette. “Hatem needs to deliver. I’m concerned with his assists and his goals. He needs to produce for us. “The last few games he’s played, there weren’t as many as there should have been. But I think his confidence is better, and I hope that part of it improves.” Yeah, maybe asking him to track back rather than express himself has affected his attacking 'stats' Al. I don't know, what do you think? Utter tool. He's barely featured since Boxing Day and even before that he was in and out of the side. Pardew has no interest in playing him and will flog him in the summer, where he will be replaced with 1 of the 11 James Tomkins mentioned earlier. Depressing thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 If Pardew was in charge of transfers we'd be left with: Butland Rosenior Tomkins Taylor Dummett Obertan Noble Perch Sissoko Long Bent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Sad reality is that that side would score more goals than our current Remy/Hatemless crop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Pardew should be in control of transfers tbf. No he should not! He shouldn't even be at our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 One of the few things Ashley has done right. Stripped Pardew off his final say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 However, Ben Arfa could start the fixture on the bench. “I need weigh it up with everything else,” Newcastle manager Alan Pardew told the Gazette. “Hatem needs to deliver. I’m concerned with his assists and his goals. He needs to produce for us. “The last few games he’s played, there weren’t as many as there should have been. But I think his confidence is better, and I hope that part of it improves.” Jesus christ. So fucking stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 One of the few things Ashley has done right. Stripped Pardew off his final say. He hasn't let a manager have a genuine say in transfers since Allardyce pissed away nearly £7m on Alan Smith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The manager not controlling transfers wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have such a limited manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 One of the few things Ashley has done right. Stripped Pardew off his final say. He hasn't let a manager have a genuine say in transfers since Allardyce pissed away nearly £7m on Alan Smith. Nearly £18m in fees on Smith, Rozehnal, Barton & Faye(plus bumper deals for Cacapa, Viduka & Geremi) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. This I agree with. Even discounting the fact that it's sensible for the incoming players to reflect the style and mentality, ultimately the manager should know more about the game than anyone else at the club, anyway. Don't get me wrong here, I'd rather Pardew was having as little influence on the personnel as possible, but if he HAS to be here, I'd rather it was him picking which players we bring in than anyone else at NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 One of the few things Ashley has done right. Stripped Pardew off his final say. He hasn't let a manager have a genuine say in transfers since Allardyce p*ssed away nearly £7m on Alan Smith. Nearly £18m in fees on Smith, Rozehnal, Barton & Faye(plus bumper deals for Cacapa, Viduka & Geremi) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. This I agree with. Even discounting the fact that it's sensible for the incoming players to reflect the style and mentality, ultimately the manager should know more about the game than anyone else at the club, anyway. Don't get me wrong here, I'd rather Pardew was having as little influence on the personnel as possible, but if he HAS to be here, I'd rather it was him picking which players we bring in than anyone else at NUFC. to both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. This I agree with. Even discounting the fact that it's sensible for the incoming players to reflect the style and mentality, ultimately the manager should know more about the game than anyone else at the club, anyway. Don't get me wrong here, I'd rather Pardew was having as little influence on the personnel as possible, but if he HAS to be here, I'd rather it was him picking which players we bring in than anyone else at NUFC. I think it's far more complicated than that. Firstly, the manager doesn't have time to watch enough players, so he must rely on scouts who he trusts to have a massive input. Secondly he doesn't know enough about finance and negotiation to do that side of things either. So yes, he should have a massive say, and he should probably be more important than the other people in the 'committee'. But I assume that is basically what happens at the majority of clubs anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. This I agree with. Even discounting the fact that it's sensible for the incoming players to reflect the style and mentality, ultimately the manager should know more about the game than anyone else at the club, anyway. Don't get me wrong here, I'd rather Pardew was having as little influence on the personnel as possible, but if he HAS to be here, I'd rather it was him picking which players we bring in than anyone else at NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. I know what you are saying but I just dont want this man anywhere near transfers. We wotn be buying anyone anyway. So there is nothing to worry about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. This I agree with. Even discounting the fact that it's sensible for the incoming players to reflect the style and mentality, ultimately the manager should know more about the game than anyone else at the club, anyway. Don't get me wrong here, I'd rather Pardew was having as little influence on the personnel as possible, but if he HAS to be here, I'd rather it was him picking which players we bring in than anyone else at NUFC. I think it's far more complicated than that. Firstly, the manager doesn't have time to watch enough players, so he must rely on scouts who he trusts to have a massive input. Secondly he doesn't know enough about finance and negotiation to do that side of things either. So yes, he should have a massive say, and he should probably be more important than the other people in the 'committee'. But I assume that is basically what happens at the majority of clubs anyway. You actively tried to disagree there and couldn't quite manage it. Such a strange lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It's called having a discussion like, you need to get away from this childish view of who's winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Discussions fall apart usually when you come into them tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It's like you're in a constant battle to offer opposition to even the most basic common sense. Common sense is winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. This I agree with. Even discounting the fact that it's sensible for the incoming players to reflect the style and mentality, ultimately the manager should know more about the game than anyone else at the club, anyway. Don't get me wrong here, I'd rather Pardew was having as little influence on the personnel as possible, but if he HAS to be here, I'd rather it was him picking which players we bring in than anyone else at NUFC. I think it's far more complicated than that. Firstly, the manager doesn't have time to watch enough players, so he must rely on scouts who he trusts to have a massive input. Secondly he doesn't know enough about finance and negotiation to do that side of things either. So yes, he should have a massive say, and he should probably be more important than the other people in the 'committee'. But I assume that is basically what happens at the majority of clubs anyway. How does a manager not have enough time to watch players? Managers not being involved in transfers is a fairly new thing, all managers used to be involved in the transfer process, so why now are they too busy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It's like you're in a constant battle to offer opposition to even the most basic common sense. Common sense is winning. That's Ian, always against the grain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Discussions fall apart usually when you come into them tbh. neesy's fucking scathing lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Turned well angry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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