LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 4-5-------1 formation. Still waiting to hear Luca's views about Pardew's favourite line up. What do you want me to say? It's a safety-first formation that works well when you break quickly and have a striker that can handle the role. We don't have that striker (at least not fit and playing), we're not breaking quickly enough although in season past we were much better at it, and it's not providing enough safety to squeek the odd result at the moment. We're just getting hammered. There's nothing wrong with the principle of the formation but I agree the execution has been shit, performances have been shit, and Pardew has to answer for it. 451 in itself isn't a crime. *shrug* So basically we are playing the wrong formation for the players we have available. If only there was a job description for someone who could sort that out. Our problems are deeper than the wrong formation. We're giving away a lot of goals recently. There are two ways you can go with it; be more attacking and hope that takes the pressure off (but might leave you open once you lose the ball), or keep it even tighter. Given we're already playing a 451 and our attacking options are pretty shit (injured, lack confidence, has never been prolific, was never any good, is 12 years old) there's not much room for movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 John Barnes was a better football show anchor than Rik Mayall would be. He did it professionally. George Bush was a better president of the USA than Bill Hicks would have been. He did it professionally. Lee Ryder is a better writer than anyone on the forum. He writes professionally. Nay. I don't make half the grammatical errors he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 You're so one dimensional. Mick, I come on here to hash this shit out. If you think I'm wrong then tell me why. The one-liners give me nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Mourinho deflects to foster a siege mentality and take flak away from his team on to himself Pardew deflects to put blame on anyone but himself and his paymaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Luca Those f***ing UEFA licenses. Isn't every football manager in top-flight football required to do them? There are some absolute thick ones managing out there and Pardew is one of them. That was the worst argument of the day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to go and get a consultation from Pardew about open heart surgery or his views on the middle eastern conflict. I just object to the notion that we know more about football than he does. That we can somehow see Ban Arfa's upside and he's just too dumb to notice. That we know that we'd be better off playing a 4-3-3 and in his 15 years of management and throughout his extensive professional training he's just never heard of it. It's stupidity. The biggest barriers to getting your UEFA badges are 1) time 2) money 3) being affiliated with a club. In that regard being an ex-pro with contacts helps get your foot in the door. But you still have to put in the work. They're not just handing the licences out to any ex-pros who happen to want them. The man has a clue what he's doing. It's just not working for several reasons; players aren't performing (his fault), players aren't of a high enough quality (club's fault). Doesn't mean shit that he's managed in 15 years. I can say the same about me and my family and go to lengths about professional contracts and shit, but that means fuck all. Pardew is absolutely clueless, matter of fact is that a manager that has managed for that amount of years should after 4 years or so in charge at least be able to integrate a footballing philosophy onto his team, but no. The simplest of all things is where he's failed at. He's a muppet and a con artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Brought this clown up today at work (Leeds fan, Spurs fan and Liverpool fan) and they all replied along the lines of 'it wasn't that when you were flying and finishing about 5th. Maybe it's your owners fault not the managers' I give up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I honestly don't believe Lee Ryder is a "better writer than anyone on the forum" tbh I can guarantee that there will be at least a few who are capable of writing far more consistently than he does, both in content and style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Mick, I come on here to hash this s*** out. If you think I'm wrong then tell me why. The one-liners give me nothing. Every point you've made has been rubbished far too many times to keep repeating the same stuff. One liners are all that's required at this stage. You seem to think he's good at what he's doing because he's done it for so long. He's done if for so long because idiots have employed him and all but 2 have sacked him because he hasn't been up to the job. He's only here because he's willing to tongue his bosses hoop, not because he's good at his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 John Barnes was a better football show anchor than Rik Mayall would be. He did it professionally. George Bush was a better president of the USA than Bill Hicks would have been. He did it professionally. Lee Ryder is a better writer than anyone on the forum. He writes professionally. Absolutely mental line of argument isn't it Bloke's been brought up to question nothing whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I honestly don't believe Lee Ryder is a "better writer than anyone on the forum" tbh I can guarantee that there will be at least a few who are capable of writing far more consistently than he does, both in content and style. Whoosh? Double-bluff whoosh on me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Brought this clown up today at work (Leeds fan, Spurs fan and Liverpool fan) and they all replied along the lines of 'it wasn't that when you were flying and finishing about 5th. Maybe it's your owners fault not the managers' I give up. We have better players now than when we finished 5th. Yet the team has been utter toilet for 2 years. Aye blame the owner. The only way Ashley is at fault for the recent form is because of his continuous employment of this utter fucking clown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I honestly don't believe Lee Ryder is a "better writer than anyone on the forum" tbh I can guarantee that there will be at least a few who are capable of writing far more consistently than he does, both in content and style. Whoosh? Double-bluff whoosh on me? Nah just the whoosh on me, fair play Didn't even read the first 2 lines properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spudil Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Must say Luca is beginning to sway me with his persuasive arguments. I mean, Cabaye WAS sold and then we DID get worse. Coincidence? I don't think so. He's right when he says that Pards has been a manager for like 15 YEARS and ppl on here have the audacity to think they know better than him about MANAGEMENT issues where he is a MANAGEMENT PROFESSIONAL? nah not for me. It's like people questioning Putin over Russian actions against the Ukraine... where do ppl get off on thinking they know what the president of Russia should do? PUTIN IS THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 4-5-------1 formation. Still waiting to hear Luca's views about Pardew's favourite line up. What do you want me to say? It's a safety-first formation that works well when you break quickly and have a striker that can handle the role. We don't have that striker (at least not fit and playing), we're not breaking quickly enough although in season past we were much better at it, and it's not providing enough safety to squeek the odd result at the moment. We're just getting hammered. There's nothing wrong with the principle of the formation but I agree the execution has been shit, performances have been shit, and Pardew has to answer for it. 451 in itself isn't a crime. *shrug* So basically we are playing the wrong formation for the players we have available. If only there was a job description for someone who could sort that out. Our problems are deeper than the wrong formation. We're giving away a lot of goals recently. There are two ways you can go with it; be more attacking and hope that takes the pressure off (but might leave you open once you lose the ball), or keep it even tighter. Given we're already playing a 451 and our attacking options are pretty shit (injured, lack confidence, has never been prolific, was never any good, is 12 years old) there's not much room for movement. See that is the bollocks that Pardew has everyone believing, we've never been tight, let alone even tighter under him. By design he's a defensive coach, all i ask you do is look at our goals conceded from the very start of his reign and you'll see that he has been far far away from keeping us tight. And it isn't because we attack too much, it's that he is crap at it, what more evidence do you need, for you to see what is right there in front of you. Honestly just look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Mourinho deflects to foster a siege mentality and take flak away from his team on to himself Pardew deflects to put blame on anyone but himself and his paymaster I'm not claiming he's any good at it, by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Must say Luca is beginning to sway me with his persuasive arguments. I mean, Cabaye WAS sold and then we DID get worse. Coincidence? I don't think so. He's right when he says that Pards has been a manager for like 15 YEARS and ppl on here have the audacity to think they know better than him about MANAGEMENT issues where he is a MANAGEMENT PROFESSIONAL? nah not for me. It's like people questioning Putin over Russian actions against the Ukraine... where do ppl get off on thinking they know what the president of Russia should do? PUTIN IS THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA. Spudil trying to make sure he disappears in the dead of night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The argument of "he's a professional, therefore he knows best" only works in a world where all professionals in a particular field do things exactly the same. Football managers don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The argument of "he's a professional, therefore he knows best" only works in a world where all professionals in a particular field do things exactly the same. Football managers don't. I think "he's a professional" is the weakest argument for Pardew that I've seen yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Must say Luca is beginning to sway me with his persuasive arguments. I mean, Cabaye WAS sold and then we DID get worse. Coincidence? I don't think so. He's right when he says that Pards has been a manager for like 15 YEARS and ppl on here have the audacity to think they know better than him about MANAGEMENT issues where he is a MANAGEMENT PROFESSIONAL? nah not for me. It's like people questioning Putin over Russian actions against the Ukraine... where do ppl get off on thinking they know what the president of Russia should do? PUTIN IS THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA. Shola's been playing first-team football for like, 14 years. He must be better than people like Lukaku as he's been doing it so long and they haven't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The argument of "he's a professional, therefore he knows best" only works in a world where all professionals in a particular field do things exactly the same. Football managers don't. I think "he's a professional" is the weakest argument for Pardew that I've seen yet. Headbutting players is very professional like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 4-5-------1 formation. Still waiting to hear Luca's views about Pardew's favourite line up. What do you want me to say? It's a safety-first formation that works well when you break quickly and have a striker that can handle the role. We don't have that striker (at least not fit and playing), we're not breaking quickly enough although in season past we were much better at it, and it's not providing enough safety to squeek the odd result at the moment. We're just getting hammered. There's nothing wrong with the principle of the formation but I agree the execution has been shit, performances have been shit, and Pardew has to answer for it. 451 in itself isn't a crime. *shrug* So basically we are playing the wrong formation for the players we have available. If only there was a job description for someone who could sort that out. Our problems are deeper than the wrong formation. We're giving away a lot of goals recently. There are two ways you can go with it; be more attacking and hope that takes the pressure off (but might leave you open once you lose the ball), or keep it even tighter. Given we're already playing a 451 and our attacking options are pretty shit (injured, lack confidence, has never been prolific, was never any good, is 12 years old) there's not much room for movement. Our attacking options are a lot better than you would think if you stopped worrying about the opposition and put players in their natural position for a start. If you are going to play Cisse up front, then he needs delivery from wide areas. So on the left, Santon and Gouffran is not a great supply line. Neither is MYM going to give you much as a marauding right back But yeah, I suppose we could always put an extra defensive midfielder in there to stop us getting beat 4-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I know tons of people who have been doing jobs for donkeys years and are utterly shit at them. And most of them haven't been sacked repeatedly for underperformance either. Coaching badges mean fuck all, I mean professional footballers are renowned for being thick as mince, yet every single one of them seems to manage to get them. It's not like ex-footballers everywhere are resitting these exams repeatedly, everyone passes first time provided they turn up. It's just a money-making scheme for the FA and a way to keep management and coaching as a closed shop for ex-professionals so that Joe Public can't swan in and take one of their jobs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 4-5-------1 formation. Still waiting to hear Luca's views about Pardew's favourite line up. What do you want me to say? It's a safety-first formation that works well when you break quickly and have a striker that can handle the role. We don't have that striker (at least not fit and playing), we're not breaking quickly enough although in season past we were much better at it, and it's not providing enough safety to squeek the odd result at the moment. We're just getting hammered. There's nothing wrong with the principle of the formation but I agree the execution has been s***, performances have been s***, and Pardew has to answer for it. 451 in itself isn't a crime. *shrug* So basically we are playing the wrong formation for the players we have available. If only there was a job description for someone who could sort that out. Our problems are deeper than the wrong formation. We're giving away a lot of goals recently. There are two ways you can go with it; be more attacking and hope that takes the pressure off (but might leave you open once you lose the ball), or keep it even tighter. Given we're already playing a 451 and our attacking options are pretty s*** (injured, lack confidence, has never been prolific, was never any good, is 12 years old) there's not much room for movement. Our attacking options are a lot better than you would think if you stopped worrying about the opposition and put players in their natural position for a start. If you are going to play Cisse up front, then he needs delivery from wide areas. So on the left, Santon and Gouffran is not a great supply line. Neither is MYM going to give you much as a marauding right back But yeah, I suppose we could always put an extra defensive midfielder in there to stop us getting beat 4-0. 1-0 is a moral victory like #stoptherot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 4-5-------1 formation. Still waiting to hear Luca's views about Pardew's favourite line up. What do you want me to say? It's a safety-first formation that works well when you break quickly and have a striker that can handle the role. We don't have that striker (at least not fit and playing), we're not breaking quickly enough although in season past we were much better at it, and it's not providing enough safety to squeek the odd result at the moment. We're just getting hammered. There's nothing wrong with the principle of the formation but I agree the execution has been shit, performances have been shit, and Pardew has to answer for it. 451 in itself isn't a crime. *shrug* So basically we are playing the wrong formation for the players we have available. If only there was a job description for someone who could sort that out. Our problems are deeper than the wrong formation. We're giving away a lot of goals recently. There are two ways you can go with it; be more attacking and hope that takes the pressure off (but might leave you open once you lose the ball), or keep it even tighter. Given we're already playing a 451 and our attacking options are pretty shit (injured, lack confidence, has never been prolific, was never any good, is 12 years old) there's not much room for movement. See that is the bollocks that Pardew has everyone believing, we've never been tight, let alone even tighter under him. By design he's a defensive coach, all i ask you do is look at our goals conceded from the very start of his reign and you'll see that he has been far far away from keeping us tight. And it isn't because we attack too much, it's that he is crap at it, what more evidence do you need, for you to see what is right there in front of you. Honestly just look. I don't have the stats in front of me but I'm prepared to go along with that. Moreover, I agree with the general opinion on here that we shouldn't be trying to keep it tight and not over committing against the likes of Palace, Stoke, and the Mackems. We should be getting at teams like that. We lack depth in quality but we've certainly got enough to see off those fuckers. However, when you lack genuine threat up front, as we do at the moment, where do you go from there? We're not really able to get at teams when our strikers are injured or out of form and our only real linkup play comes from a player who is hit or miss and in and out of the team. He's trying to keep it tight and it's not working. He's obviously trying to stabilize. Stop losing, get morale back up, and build on a defensive record then take it from there. But you're right, he's proving that he doesn't have what it takes to motivate the players to do that. I just don't see a way out for him now. He could play HBA in a free role behind our two best strikers at the moment and we'd still be shit. I can understand the defensive mentality in trying to fix the problem. My main objection is the execution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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