Interpolic Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 You put your point across in a nice way but much of what you say is simply outrageous speculation and on the whole it appears to be an exercise in scrambling to blame anyone but Alan Pardew. God knows why. That thing about tactics being dictated to Pardew from above is beyond mental. Seriously, what is this man expected to be held responsible for, at this stage? I've heard him excused of responsibility on every managerial task going over the years. But yeah, welcome to the forum I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Forum equivalent of hoying chum in the water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 The manger's tactical decisions are made by Mike Ashley? That's a new one . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. I have popped the part in bold which I find the most ludicrous. What a loon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. If Pardew was getting guidance from above on Cisse, explain why HBA wouldn't be playing too? There is no chance that any form of teamsheet requests are being made. Absolutely none. Pardew is a part of the regime, not an innocent bystander. He knew what his job was from day one. He's working within the constraints he was given, and he's just shit at it. He is hamstrung by Ashley, but by no means is he hamstrung to the extent of 6 defeats on the trot and a season of diabolical football. An array of players have got significantly worse under his tutelage. He is an absolute fraud and needs to get the fuck out of our football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. Cisse's problems started when he got moved out to the wing for the 2012-13 season after his excellent spell in the middle. Any problems he has now has almost certainly stemmed from Pardew doing that to keep Ba happy. I agree with the player power bit though. Any player with a hint of a personality isn't "worth the bother". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alyosha Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 You guys were more gracious than I expected I definitely remember an article somewhere back in the day saying Ashley thought he was a tactical genius, and having meetings with Hughton about how the team should be set up. And yes this is wild speculation, but, in the end, discussing anything other than what happens on the pitch is wild speculation, no matter how informed it might be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 We've reached the conspiracy theory phase of Pardew's defense. This should be fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. Charnley and Ashley have done a masterful job of making Pardew look like a clueless prick then. "No Alan I insist you pick Shola ahead of Marveaux and come beg me for an extension to his contract which I will refuse" That's what Ashley might say according to your scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 You guys were more gracious than I expected I definitely remember an article somewhere back in the day saying Ashley thought he was a tactical genius, and having meetings with Hughton about how the team should be set up. And yes this is wild speculation, but, in the end, discussing anything other than what happens on the pitch is wild speculation, no matter how informed it might be. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Why-Chris-Hughton-was-sacked-by-Newcastle-Forced-to-play-fantasy-football-with-Mike-Ashley-not-deemed-showbiz-enough-expected-to-talk-tactics-with-chairmen-article645857.html Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. Aside from all "the kings " s**** so called tactics! Do you think he should have got fired for head butting a player during a match and If not do you honestly think any player in the squad will respect him after that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 You guys were more gracious than I expected I definitely remember an article somewhere back in the day saying Ashley thought he was a tactical genius, and having meetings with Hughton about how the team should be set up. And yes this is wild speculation, but, in the end, discussing anything other than what happens on the pitch is wild speculation, no matter how informed it might be. Still, welcome to the forum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alyosha Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Why-Chris-Hughton-was-sacked-by-Newcastle-Forced-to-play-fantasy-football-with-Mike-Ashley-not-deemed-showbiz-enough-expected-to-talk-tactics-with-chairmen-article645857.html Hughton was expected to hold meetings with Ashley and Llambias just before games, and respect their footballing input. Former boss Kevin Keegan routinely ignored such interference so close to a match but Hughton, in a bid to keep the peace, always made himself available. There is no suggestion he took any notice of the feedback he was given, but Ashley and Llambias regard themselves as knowledgeable football fans, whose opinion is valid on even small tactical matters. This is the article. I guess I might have been exaggerating a little bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 "Listen Alan. Mike has said we will buy you Gouffran, but you will have to put him on the wing so he can defend instead of that slacker Ben Arfa who we absolutely hate." - Lee Charnley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hughton had spent the last three months on the verge of being axed by managing director Derek Llambias and Ashley – because they want a manager who is more “showbusiness” and can grab the club headlines on the world stage. I've been looking for that quote for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. That could work if Pardew didn't have form for it at other clubs, Tevez on the wing at Wham for example. He's just a rank bang average manager who has no idea how to attack so he sets up to not let goals in (unsuccessfully as we've seen), by using players who work hard, but in roles that don't suit them, Sissoko, Gouff etc. And on top of it and why we notice it how much of a wanker he is, is the deflection of all blame from himself and the stream of lies. And absolutely not in the realms of bollockholm would i want the utter cunt to have another day as our manager, god forbid another season. Welcome by the way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Yes welcome btw. But don't expect that fan bollocks on Facebook to get a clean pass here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I just can't fathom out how any Newcastle fan can make excuses for our cunt of a manager? It's so unbelievably baffling. Where have they been the last 2 years? There is absolutely nothing to defend there now, his managerial abilities are fucking wallop, no matter how much of a twat our owner is. We can't keep peddling Ashley as the only blame for how shit we are. What the fuck is wrong with these people??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KaKa Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Alyosha, if you can explain why on God's green Earth, Pardew would play Shola 90 mins in the year 2014, due to some directive from Mike Ashley, I will allow you your diabolical theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I just can't fathom out how any Newcastle fan can make excuses for our cunt of a manager? It's so unbelievably baffling. Where have they been the last 2 years? There is absolutely nothing to defend there now, his managerial abilities are fucking wallop, no matter how much of a twat our owner is. We can't keep peddling Ashley as the only blame for how shit we are. What the fuck is wrong with these people??? Stability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 1. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. 2. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. 3. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. 1. He knew exactly what he signed up for and he's consistently defended that policy. 2. Do you think Ashley instructed Pardew to have his team launch more long balls than any other top-flight team in Europe's 5 best leagues last season? Do you think Ashley wants Shola Ameobi shipped off to Russia as well and that's why he's been played as a winger at times? Do you think Ashley loves left-backs in every position? 3. "Has to"? He could have walked on the numerous of times he's been royally fucked by Ashley. He has no logical reason to be at this level, he was picked out of the fucking League One dumpster and knows this isn't his level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I was wondering if this is Brett's brother, as of yet still uneducated in the ways of Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alyosha Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 That could work if Pardew didn't have form for it at other clubs, Tevez on the wing at Wham for example. He's just a rank bang average manager who has no idea how to attack so he sets up to not let goals in (unsuccessfully as we've seen), by using players who work hard, but in roles that don't suit them, Sissoko, Gouff etc. And on top of it and why we notice it how much of a w***** he is, is the deflection of all blame from himself and the stream of lies. And absolutely not in the realms of bollockholm would i want the utter c*** to have another day as our manager, god forbid another season. Welcome by the way... That is a fair point actually. Like I said, I wouldn't miss Pardew if hes gone. I don't think hes anything special, but he has shown, sporadically, some talent in his time at Newcastle. I'd take him other than whichever 90s relic Ashley might have lined up as a replacement. Yes welcome btw. But don't expect that fan bollocks on Facebook to get a clean pass here. I'm such a soft shite I can't bring myself to lay into managers or players. Hence the username. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hughton had spent the last three months on the verge of being axed by managing director Derek Llambias and Ashley – because they want a manager who is more “showbusiness” and can grab the club headlines on the world stage. I've been looking for that quote for ages. Hmmm ... maybe that headbutt was one of his showbiz targets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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