Alan '48 points' Pardew

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You put Keegan in charge of this Newcastle team and we would have more points on the board now.

 

 

I have little doubt we would be in/around champions league. the sad thing is KK couldnt work with the idiots Ashley put above him. what a shame.

 

Keegan's second spell should show anyone we'd be more than likely be at the other end of the table tbh. P21 W6 D6 L9

 

He never really repeated his first spell with us anywhere.

 

Did you see the state of West Ham yesterday? Yeah, drink that in - that's what he inherited from that fat f***ing fraud and had to turn around half way through a season. After the initial losing streak we actually went on a great fun, too.

 

Look, I get it, Keegan's first spell was amazing, miraculous even, but the unadulterated man-love that persists is pathetic.

 

Pardew is our manager for the foreseeable, the signs are good IMO, we are actually getting better. The once in a lifetime turnaround which was Keegan's first spell is not going to repeat itself, in fact it's rarely happened anywhere else (I can't even recall the like at all).

 

You've missed my point completely, but then you probably meant to. I don't think we're getting, really, any better or considerably worse to be honest since Pardew was appointed. We've had a few good streaks under him and some abhorrent ones to boot. Our record in the derby and cup games under this clown is pathetic, and due to a combination of injuries, luck, 'science' or whatever we'll probably never be good enough to win anything or bad enough to go down with the players we seem to be getting.

 

Keegan was a better manager and player than Pardew could ever hope to be. On one hand you have a guy who was out of the game for a while, inherited an under confident shambles of a squad from Sam f***ing Allardyce and within a couple of months started turning it onto it's head completely in terms of tactics and player confidence. Here we have a bloke that's been in charge for a few years, has a technically sound collection of international players and still resorts to throwing on Shola. f***ing. Ameobi and benching one of the most naturally gifted footballers in Europe.

 

How you can ever say we're somehow getting better is beyond me like

 

That substitution turned the game back in our favour, and we won, just because some hate Shola doesn't make bringing him on wrong, as was proven yesterday.

 

Using that substitution yesterday as a negative example is moronic.

 

We have more than competed with the top four this season head to head (apart from first game), we annihilated West Ham yesterday, away from home, and yet we're not getting better, Aye OK.

 

Your desire to see us fail, because you don't like certain personalities, is not matched by the evidence.

 

West Ham have been fucking garbage this year, to say we annihilated them is a bit of a stretch. Forest annihilated them if you wanted a better example. I have no desire to see us fail whatsoever, I'm a fucking supporter of this football club

 

I can't help but wonder what the yardstick for improvement is for you though. Are you comparing this to last season? Because anything barring relegation can be considered an improvement to that season Where do you honestly see us in 2 years time? Do you think it's somehow taken this prick 3 years to learn how to play to his teams strengths and instil a confident, winning mentality within his players?

[JH]

too be fair I think calling Pellegrini an old c*** is a bit uncalled for

 

Agreed, like it was Pellegrini's fault the goal wasn't given.  Pardew is an embarrassment.

 

Lucky you didn't support Man U during the Fergie years then, you'd have been mortified by the behaviour of your manager.

 

Fergie ever called a fellow manager an "old c***" ?

 

 

 

No but he had his teams go at ref on mass so they couldn't be sent off. Often screamed in ref's faces in their changing room. Just a big of a c*** like.

 

I'll reiterate what I said at the time it'll be commonplace amongst managers (and with the likes of Fergie, it's not surprise). It just so happens that Pardew was caught saying it with a camera fixed on him at the time. Who's to say what Pellegrini said to him?

 

It doesn't justify it but he shouldn't be vindicated as if he's the first ever manager to swear.

[LRD]

Perhaps the main reason we lost so many games between October and January last season wasn't so much because we had a s*** manager, but because the players we had available werent very good?

 

What, with practically the same squad when we finished 5th? And those poor players being at a level where we finished 16th?

[Guest bimpy474]

too be fair I think calling Pellegrini an old c*** is a bit uncalled for

 

Agreed, like it was Pellegrini's fault the goal wasn't given.  Pardew is an embarrassment.

 

Lucky you didn't support Man U during the Fergie years then, you'd have been mortified by the behaviour of your manager.

 

Fergie ever called a fellow manager an "old c***" ?

 

 

 

No but he had his teams go at ref on mass so they couldn't be sent off. Often screamed in ref's faces in their changing room. Just a big of a c*** like.

 

I'll reiterate what I said at the time it'll be commonplace amongst managers (and with the likes of Fergie, it's not surprise). It just so happens that Pardew was caught saying it with a camera fixed on him at the time. Who's to say what Pellegrini said to him?

 

It doesn't justify it but he shouldn't be vindicated as if he's the first ever manager to swear.

 

I think Pardew said at the time he was reacting to something Pellegrini said. I've no problem with Pardew doing what he did to be honest. I think it's more to do with attitudes towards swearing. I'm definitely a not bothered (dont do it much myself) person. I let quite a bit go when i'm reffing too, as long as it isn't at me. I know how frustrating football can be at times.

[littlelunchbox]

too be fair I think calling Pellegrini an old c*** is a bit uncalled for

 

Agreed, like it was Pellegrini's fault the goal wasn't given.  Pardew is an embarrassment.

 

Lucky you didn't support Man U during the Fergie years then, you'd have been mortified by the behaviour of your manager.

 

Fergie ever called a fellow manager an "old c***" ?

 

 

 

No but he had his teams go at ref on mass so they couldn't be sent off. Often screamed in ref's faces in their changing room. Just a big of a c*** like.

 

I'll reiterate what I said at the time it'll be commonplace amongst managers (and with the likes of Fergie, it's not surprise). It just so happens that Pardew was caught saying it with a camera fixed on him at the time. Who's to say what Pellegrini said to him?

 

It doesn't justify it but he shouldn't be vindicated as if he's the first ever manager to swear.

 

Nothing to do with swearing, it's the disrespect he shown to an older respected fellow professional.  Probably some xenophobic angst expressed through the little outburst.

 

Imagine Pardew was not our manager and that wasn't Pellergrini on the receiving end but some well respected gentleman like Keegan or Sir Bobby. This place will be in uproar.

[Mick]

 

 

Perhaps the main reason we lost so many games between October and January last season wasn't so much because we had a s*** manager, but because the players we had available werent very good?

 

The defeats in that period which were a surprise were West Ham and Swansea at home, we should have had enough about us to win those two games and we had most of the team playing who had played when we finished 5th, it had nothing to do with us not having players who we hadn't even signed at that time.

[alexthegreat]

Perhaps the main reason we lost so many games between October and January last season wasn't so much because we had a s*** manager, but because the players we had available werent very good?

 

What, with practically the same squad when we finished 5th? And those poor players being at a level where we finished 16th?

 

Except it clearly wasn't the same was it? Due to injuries and suspensions, and loss of form (possibly brought on by Europe) many of the players who got us 5th weren't available). Here's how many league starts each of those players who started v Everton made in 10/11:

 

Krul 38

Perch 13

Williamson 21

Coloccini 35

Santon 19

Tiote 24

Anita 0

Cisse 13

Marveaux 2

Obertan 18

Sh.Ameobi 8

Substitutes:

 

Bigirimana for Obertan (65) 0

Sa.Ameobi for Tiote (79) 1

Ranger for Perch (87) 0

 

Subs not used:

 

Elliot 0

Ferguson 1

Tavernier 0

Abeid 0

 

Coloccini, Cabaye, Tiote, and Cisse all let us down badly last season, whereas only Cisse continues to do so. They are our key players, and when the alternatives are the likes of Ferguson, Tavernier, Marveaux, Obertan then of course we will struggle.

[Mick]

 

 

Except it clearly wasn't the same was it? Due to injuries and suspensions, and loss of form (possibly brought on by Europe) many of the players who got us 5th weren't available). Here's how many league starts each of those players who started v Everton made in 10/11:

 

Krul 38

Perch 13

Williamson 21

Coloccini 35

Santon 19

Tiote 24

Anita 0

Cisse 13

Marveaux 2

Obertan 18

Sh.Ameobi 8

Substitutes:

 

Bigirimana for Obertan (65) 0

Sa.Ameobi for Tiote (79) 1

Ranger for Perch (87) 0

 

Subs not used:

 

Elliot 0

Ferguson 1

Tavernier 0

Abeid 0

 

Coloccini, Cabaye, Tiote, and Cisse all let us down badly last season, whereas only Cisse continues to do so. They are our key players, and when the alternatives are the likes of Ferguson, Tavernier, Marveaux, Obertan then of course we will struggle.

 

You're cherry picking one game to try and prove a point, I don't think anybody is saying that he had his best 11 for every game. 

[mozy]

too be fair I think calling Pellegrini an old c*** is a bit uncalled for

 

Agreed, like it was Pellegrini's fault the goal wasn't given.  Pardew is an embarrassment.

 

Lucky you didn't support Man U during the Fergie years then, you'd have been mortified by the behaviour of your manager.

 

Fergie ever called a fellow manager an "old c***" ?

 

 

 

No but he had his teams go at ref on mass so they couldn't be sent off. Often screamed in ref's faces in their changing room. Just a big of a c*** like.

 

I'll reiterate what I said at the time it'll be commonplace amongst managers (and with the likes of Fergie, it's not surprise). It just so happens that Pardew was caught saying it with a camera fixed on him at the time. Who's to say what Pellegrini said to him?

 

It doesn't justify it but he shouldn't be vindicated as if he's the first ever manager to swear.

 

Nothing to do with swearing, it's the disrespect he shown to an older respected fellow professional.  Probably some xenophobic angst expressed through the little outburst.

 

Imagine Pardew was not our manager and that wasn't Pellergrini on the receiving end but some well respected gentleman like Keegan or Sir Bobby. This place will be in uproar.

 

With what Pellegrini came out and said after the game he lost all respect really. Wouldn't be surprised if he said something worse to kick it off.

[LRD]

And of course we discount Ba who was here for half the season and did well.

 

If you want to compare starts, do it for the whole squad instead of only those players involved in the Everton match. Pretty darn selective to do it your way. There are other better alternatives which you failed to mention to.

 

Fwiw I thought it was a combination of both manager being poor and the players failing to apply themselves at times. Placing the majority of the blame on the players for a season where we finished 16th is just daft though. You are so intent to make Pardew look like the messiah that you can't see how he contributed to a crap season.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Keegan was perhaps our greatest manager, yet when it came to away form he managed 7 wins out of 19 games, 6 wins out of 21, and 9 wins out of 21 in the three seasons he managed us in the Premier League.

 

To get 6 away wins out of 11 with a squad that, player for player, clearly isn't a match for 6 other sides in the division, is absolutely fantastic.

 

Is Pardew the most tactically astute manager we have ever had?

 

And last season where we won only a few away games?

 

As for tactics, Pardew probably believes in his own head that he is a master of tactics, but in reality he's not.

 

Lets just assume Pardew is a cock for one moment. In the world of cocks, Mourinho would be a huge cock with huge balls. Pardew is a micro-penis with inverted balls. That's where he is tactically. He's got nothing tactically, nothing.

 

 

[mozy]

And of course we discount Ba who was here for half the season and did well.

 

If you want to compare starts, do it for the whole squad instead of only those players involved in the Everton match. Pretty darn selective to do it your way. There are other better alternatives which you failed to mention to.

 

Fwiw I thought it was a combination of both manager being poor and the players failing to apply themselves at times. Placing the majority of the blame on the players for a season where we finished 16th is just daft though. You are so intent to make Pardew look like the messiah that you can't see how he contributed to a crap season.

 

Ba did well obviously, but it was pretty clearly to the detriment of the team, it's what started Cisse's current life shitness.

 

Of course, that can also be aimed at the manager as he should have just shunted Ba to the left when it was pretty obvious he was gunna fuck off anyway.

[LRD]

And of course we discount Ba who was here for half the season and did well.

 

If you want to compare starts, do it for the whole squad instead of only those players involved in the Everton match. Pretty darn selective to do it your way. There are other better alternatives which you failed to mention to.

 

Fwiw I thought it was a combination of both manager being poor and the players failing to apply themselves at times. Placing the majority of the blame on the players for a season where we finished 16th is just daft though. You are so intent to make Pardew look like the messiah that you can't see how he contributed to a crap season.

 

Ba did well obviously, but it was pretty clearly to the detriment of the team, it's what started Cisse's current life shitness.

 

Of course, that can also be aimed at the manager as he should have just shunted Ba to the left when it was pretty obvious he was gunna f*** off anyway.

 

Ba left in January last year though. I don't think you can blame the Ba factor for Cisse being shite over two halves of a season.

[Toonpack]

You put Keegan in charge of this Newcastle team and we would have more points on the board now.

 

 

I have little doubt we would be in/around champions league. the sad thing is KK couldnt work with the idiots Ashley put above him. what a shame.

 

Keegan's second spell should show anyone we'd be more than likely be at the other end of the table tbh. P21 W6 D6 L9

 

He never really repeated his first spell with us anywhere.

 

Did you see the state of West Ham yesterday? Yeah, drink that in - that's what he inherited from that fat f***ing fraud and had to turn around half way through a season. After the initial losing streak we actually went on a great fun, too.

 

Look, I get it, Keegan's first spell was amazing, miraculous even, but the unadulterated man-love that persists is pathetic.

 

Pardew is our manager for the foreseeable, the signs are good IMO, we are actually getting better. The once in a lifetime turnaround which was Keegan's first spell is not going to repeat itself, in fact it's rarely happened anywhere else (I can't even recall the like at all).

 

You've missed my point completely, but then you probably meant to. I don't think we're getting, really, any better or considerably worse to be honest since Pardew was appointed. We've had a few good streaks under him and some abhorrent ones to boot. Our record in the derby and cup games under this clown is pathetic, and due to a combination of injuries, luck, 'science' or whatever we'll probably never be good enough to win anything or bad enough to go down with the players we seem to be getting.

 

Keegan was a better manager and player than Pardew could ever hope to be. On one hand you have a guy who was out of the game for a while, inherited an under confident shambles of a squad from Sam f***ing Allardyce and within a couple of months started turning it onto it's head completely in terms of tactics and player confidence. Here we have a bloke that's been in charge for a few years, has a technically sound collection of international players and still resorts to throwing on Shola. f***ing. Ameobi and benching one of the most naturally gifted footballers in Europe.

 

How you can ever say we're somehow getting better is beyond me like

 

That substitution turned the game back in our favour, and we won, just because some hate Shola doesn't make bringing him on wrong, as was proven yesterday.

 

Using that substitution yesterday as a negative example is moronic.

 

We have more than competed with the top four this season head to head (apart from first game), we annihilated West Ham yesterday, away from home, and yet we're not getting better, Aye OK.

 

Your desire to see us fail, because you don't like certain personalities, is not matched by the evidence.

 

West Ham have been f***ing garbage this year, to say we annihilated them is a bit of a stretch. Forest annihilated them if you wanted a better example. I have no desire to see us fail whatsoever, I'm a f***ing supporter of this football club

 

I can't help but wonder what the yardstick for improvement is for you though. Are you comparing this to last season? Because anything barring relegation can be considered an improvement to that season Where do you honestly see us in 2 years time? Do you think it's somehow taken this prick 3 years to learn how to play to his teams strengths and instil a confident, winning mentality within his players?

 

My yardstick is 40+ years of watching this usually shower of shite club, with brief hiatus's in amongst the garbage with KK and SBR. Based on that I am accepting that progress will be slow (absent a sheik or oligarch) in my opinion, we appear to making aforesaid progress.

 

We caught lightning in a bottle once, with KK (first time), it is unlikely to happen again. I am therefore quite happy with continuity and gradual development (in squad capability and manager).

 

We were except for about 15 minutes start of second half, always in control yesterday, despite having my ingrained NUFC will fuck it up mind-set.

 

If, regularly winning away, particularly in London, being bloody unlucky losing to Arsenal/City and beating Chelsea and Man U (at old Trafford) aren't positive signs compared to decades past, never mind seasons past, I don't know what you expect, but you're going to be disappointed.

 

As for your 3 years comment, they were singing "Ferguson Out" at Old Trafford into his 3rd/4th year, he would have been fired long before that cup win in 1990 in todays game.

[mozy]

And of course we discount Ba who was here for half the season and did well.

 

If you want to compare starts, do it for the whole squad instead of only those players involved in the Everton match. Pretty darn selective to do it your way. There are other better alternatives which you failed to mention to.

 

Fwiw I thought it was a combination of both manager being poor and the players failing to apply themselves at times. Placing the majority of the blame on the players for a season where we finished 16th is just daft though. You are so intent to make Pardew look like the messiah that you can't see how he contributed to a crap season.

 

Ba did well obviously, but it was pretty clearly to the detriment of the team, it's what started Cisse's current life shitness.

 

Of course, that can also be aimed at the manager as he should have just shunted Ba to the left when it was pretty obvious he was gunna f*** off anyway.

 

Ba left in January last year though. I don't think you can blame the Ba factor for Cisse being shite over two halves of a season.

 

Getting shunted to the wing in that horrible team/formation basically left him shot of all confidence. Add to the fact he's a pretty poor 'footballer' anyway and he hasn't been able to regain what he had for those first 6 months.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion.

[LRD]

How many games did he play on the wing again?

 

If he's so mentally fragile that he can't get any semblance of his form back after a year, I don't think you can blame anyone for his non-performances.

[Mattoon]

Well it seems Sunday is letting out time at the crayon eating factory.

 

How anyone can defend this fraud is a mystery to me. I've given him his plaudits when he's done well and his criticism when it's due, but games like yesterday really fuck me off. He's the only guy that can take the shine off winning a game. We were dominating in the first half and for that he deserves credit, but fuck me that second half was an abortion, the antithesis of football. WHam were there for the taking and what did we do? Conceed a scruffy goal and shit our knickers.

 

If he'd have come out in the second half and shown some intent, known that we just needed to turn the screw and they'd collapse like a pack of cards no one would have had a bad word to say. But no his arse went 5p - binlid in seconds an we were cowering behind a parked bus. Our best asset on the pitch, Anita gets subbed for Shola "make it stick" fkin Ameobi and HBA gets to keep the bench warm for another 80 minutes.

 

I'm just sick to death of the negativity he's distilled in the team and his twitchy arse when we nick a lead, it's not getting better it's just the same old tactic is working a little better. When it stops working, we'll keep doing it. I just want to see what a confidence manager could do with this lot, that was always Keegans strong point, he knew how to get players playing with their tails up, that's the argument here and one I totally agree with.

[Guest bimpy474]

I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion.

 

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[sparkzter]

Well it seems Sunday is letting out time at the crayon eating factory.

 

How anyone can defend this fraud is a mystery to me. I've given him his plaudits when he's done well and his criticism when it's due, but games like yesterday really f*** me off. He's the only guy that can take the shine off winning a game. We were dominating in the first half and for that he deserves credit, but f*** me that second half was an abortion, the antithesis of football. WHam were there for the taking and what did we do? Conceed a scruffy goal and s*** our knickers.

 

If he'd have come out in the second half and shown some intent, known that we just needed to turn the screw and they'd collapse like a pack of cards no one would have had a bad word to say. But no his arse went 5p - binlid in seconds an we were cowering behind a parked bus. Our best asset on the pitch, Anita gets subbed for Shola "make it stick" fkin Ameobi and HBA gets to keep the bench warm for another 80 minutes.

 

I'm just sick to death of the negativity he's distilled in the team and his twitchy arse when we nick a lead, it's not getting better it's just the same old tactic is working a little better. When it stops working, we'll keep doing it. I just want to see what a confidence manager could do with this lot, that was always Keegans strong point, he knew how to get players playing with their tails up, that's the argument here and one I totally agree with.

 

Well summed up, exactly how I feel.

[Mick]

Well it seems Sunday is letting out time at the crayon eating factory.

 

How anyone can defend this fraud is a mystery to me. I've given him his plaudits when he's done well and his criticism when it's due, but games like yesterday really f*** me off. He's the only guy that can take the shine off winning a game. We were dominating in the first half and for that he deserves credit, but f*** me that second half was an abortion, the antithesis of football. WHam were there for the taking and what did we do? Conceed a scruffy goal and s*** our knickers.

 

If he'd have come out in the second half and shown some intent, known that we just needed to turn the screw and they'd collapse like a pack of cards no one would have had a bad word to say. But no his arse went 5p - binlid in seconds an we were cowering behind a parked bus. Our best asset on the pitch, Anita gets subbed for Shola "make it stick" fkin Ameobi and HBA gets to keep the bench warm for another 80 minutes.

 

I'm just sick to death of the negativity he's distilled in the team and his twitchy arse when we nick a lead, it's not getting better it's just the same old tactic is working a little better. When it stops working, we'll keep doing it. I just want to see what a confidence manager could do with this lot, that was always Keegans strong point, he knew how to get players playing with their tails up, that's the argument here and one I totally agree with.

 

Good points but you have to remember we've been worse at times during the last 40+ years.

[Ikon]

Well it seems Sunday is letting out time at the crayon eating factory.

 

How anyone can defend this fraud is a mystery to me. I've given him his plaudits when he's done well and his criticism when it's due, but games like yesterday really f*** me off. He's the only guy that can take the shine off winning a game. We were dominating in the first half and for that he deserves credit, but f*** me that second half was an abortion, the antithesis of football. WHam were there for the taking and what did we do? Conceed a scruffy goal and s*** our knickers.

 

If he'd have come out in the second half and shown some intent, known that we just needed to turn the screw and they'd collapse like a pack of cards no one would have had a bad word to say. But no his arse went 5p - binlid in seconds an we were cowering behind a parked bus. Our best asset on the pitch, Anita gets subbed for Shola "make it stick" fkin Ameobi and HBA gets to keep the bench warm for another 80 minutes.

 

I'm just sick to death of the negativity he's distilled in the team and his twitchy arse when we nick a lead, it's not getting better it's just the same old tactic is working a little better. When it stops working, we'll keep doing it. I just want to see what a confidence manager could do with this lot, that was always Keegans strong point, he knew how to get players playing with their tails up, that's the argument here and one I totally agree with.

 

Well summed up, exactly how I feel.

[Mole_Toonfan]

I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion.

 

Personally i don't take satisfaction in finishing 8th achieving nothing but being an also ran making up the numbers with no ambition to improve or win anything.

 

 

 

 

[cp40]

I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion.

 

Personally i don't take satisfaction in finishing 8th achieving nothing but being an also ran making up the numbers with no ambition to improve or win anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that down to Pardew or Ashley?

[Mick]

 

 

Is that down to Pardew or Ashley?

 

Or both?