Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Is that down to Pardew or Ashley? Or both? aye, certainly. But the lack of ambition in the leadership of the club is right f***ing me off. That 3-1 win yesterday was easily the least ive enjoyed such a big win away in about 40 years. s*** second half- but even before that, it felt completely empty and pointless. Everton are very clearly trying to achieve things of substance. They might not succeed but at least they are genuinely trying and believing in themselves. Is Bill fucking Kenwright really that much more ambitious than Ashley? I'd love to see a comparison of transfer fees and wages ect. I'd say there's a decent chance we spend more on transfers and wages than Everton - at the very least there would not be much between us. Everton spent £13.5m on McCarthy, if we spend that type on Cabella i think we'd be similiar. The last couple of years Eveton have spent more than us in larger fees (Fellaini, McCarthy, Mirallas). They've sold very well though to do that (Fellaini, Rodwell). But i agree we aren't too far apart in that respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 The comparisons to Fergie's early Old Trafford days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Everton have had big sales consistently to fund purchases. Rarely do they dig deep into pockets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Well it seems Sunday is letting out time at the crayon eating factory. How anyone can defend this fraud is a mystery to me. I've given him his plaudits when he's done well and his criticism when it's due, but games like yesterday really f*** me off. He's the only guy that can take the shine off winning a game. We were dominating in the first half and for that he deserves credit, but f*** me that second half was an abortion, the antithesis of football. WHam were there for the taking and what did we do? Conceed a scruffy goal and s*** our knickers. If he'd have come out in the second half and shown some intent, known that we just needed to turn the screw and they'd collapse like a pack of cards no one would have had a bad word to say. But no his arse went 5p - binlid in seconds an we were cowering behind a parked bus. Our best asset on the pitch, Anita gets subbed for Shola "make it stick" fkin Ameobi and HBA gets to keep the bench warm for another 80 minutes. I'm just sick to death of the negativity he's distilled in the team and his twitchy arse when we nick a lead, it's not getting better it's just the same old tactic is working a little better. When it stops working, we'll keep doing it. I just want to see what a confidence manager could do with this lot, that was always Keegans strong point, he knew how to get players playing with their tails up, that's the argument here and one I totally agree with. :thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Everton have had big sales consistently to fund purchases. Rarely do they dig deep into pockets. Which is clever and how we want to be, cept we do without the big spending part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think on balance Pardew is a solid Premier League manager - don't think he'll ever have the X factor that marks out the real top bosses (although he would probably point to his manager of the year award as evidence to the contrary) but he's at least as good as most of the rest. Think I would place him clear 3rd on a list of all our Premier League managers, well behind KK and SBR obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". You know you dont help yourself by being so confrontational, you're being a bit of a tit with shit like this tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". Ah, there it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". You know you dont help yourself by being so confrontational, you're being a bit of a tit with s*** like this tbh. But sadly it's true, it's like a thread full of zealots. We are making progress and that is good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". Lord Jesus give me strength! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". You know you dont help yourself by being so confrontational, you're being a bit of a tit with s*** like this tbh. But sadly it's true, it's like a thread full of zealots. We are making progress and that is good. Progress in what sense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". You know you dont help yourself by being so confrontational, you're being a bit of a tit with s*** like this tbh. But sadly it's true, it's like a thread full of zealots. We are making progress and that is good. Go find where anyone said we should win by 5 or 6 ?...................Now tell me who the Zealot is ? Honestly, that's pathetic stuff. You dont wish to accept the middle ground which is where most people are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". You know you dont help yourself by being so confrontational, you're being a bit of a tit with s*** like this tbh. But sadly it's true, it's like a thread full of zealots. We are making progress and that is good. You contribute nothing to the football threads other than the unpleasant experience of watching someone figuratively clean Mashley's ring piece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Comparisons to Ferguson or Keegan are tantamount to lunacy in any way, he's a product of another long line of jobs for the boys appointments that make up a lot of dross managers; some of which who have been able to manage in the premier league. He is above many in the sense that he can get teams playing the right way but never in tandem or balance with being solid defensively which is ultimately his downfall tactically; and why he is horrendously inconsistent. For every genius tactical display of nicking one against Chelsea there is another needless conservative display against Hull et al. It's the exact water treading pattern that Ashley is only too happy to facilitate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Comparisons to Ferguson or Keegan are tantamount to lunacy in any way, he's a product of another long line of jobs for the boys appointments that make up a lot of dross managers; some of which who have been able to manage in the premier league. He is above many in the sense that he can get teams playing the right way but never in tandem or balance with being solid defensively which is ultimately his downfall tactically; and why he is horrendously inconsistent. For every genius tactical display of nicking one against Chelsea there is another needless conservative display against Hull et al. It's the exact water treading pattern that Ashley is only too happy to facilitate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Comparisons to Ferguson or Keegan are tantamount to lunacy in any way, he's a product of another long line of jobs for the boys appointments that make up a lot of dross managers; some of which who have been able to manage in the premier league. He is above many in the sense that he can get teams playing the right way but never in tandem or balance with being solid defensively which is ultimately his downfall tactically; and why he is horrendously inconsistent. For every genius tactical display of nicking one against Chelsea there is another needless conservative display against Hull et al. It's the exact water treading pattern that Ashley is only too happy to facilitate. Progress though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 5th was progress. The lack of ambition shown afterward by Ashley et al with regard to cups and Europe show naught but fear of reaching beyond that as it would cost too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 5th was progress. The lack of ambition shown afterward by Ashley et al with regard to cups and Europe show naught but fear of reaching beyond that as it would cost too much. Oh aye, that was the time to spend big-ish. Ashley is the biggest problem we have, even more than JFK or Pardew imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think a major factor behind our failure to kill teams off is our lack of ability to hit teams on the break, and that comes down to poor technical ability amongst too many players. Quite often, we win possession on a turnover and then waste precious seconds with passes that are designed to keep the ball rather than move it forward into threatening positions. As a result, players don't really charge forward with confidence in that situation because they've no confidence that they'll get the ball. The chief culprit here is Tiote. The guy always seems to need two or three extra touches before he's able to release the ball, and his passes are rarely of a defence-splitting nature. I just feel his presence plays its part in ensuring a comfortable mid-table position, but he also limits how much this team can progress. I don't agree with the view that the squad is under-achieving because of Pardew's tactics. If anything, he's making the most out of what he's got. Whether he should share responsibility for the state of the squad is another point - a lot of people at our club have a finger in that particular pie. Utter lunacy. The transfer values of our squad players individually blows that ludicrous theory out of the water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 It's not as if we expect marquee signings; I mean Cisse at the time was an absolute sensation and we happy with that; a positive, attacking signing at a pretty high price and it paid off; whatever you think of him now. That injection of positivity fed into the club and the fanbase and it made a real difference imo. Amazes me when people think that is an astronomical ask of the club. At the same time you have Pardew openly playing down our expectations with regard to this, asking us of all groups of fans for 'patience' and surrendering in cup comps. It's bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm with you ToonPack, it's kind of mind boggling to be reading so much criticism after another away win and sitting 8th below only some top teams. I know everyone doesn't like Pardew's approach always, and I agree to a certain extent, but the level of dissatisfaction seems way out of proportion. It's like Matt said, the crayon eating factory has disgorged itself onto the forum. We should be winning the league and every game five or six nowt you know. Criticism is fine, if it's balanced, it's just pitchforks and torches all the time. "Pardew's a witch burn him". You know you dont help yourself by being so confrontational, you're being a bit of a tit with s*** like this tbh. But sadly it's true, it's like a thread full of zealots. We are making progress and that is good. Go find where anyone said we should win by 5 or 6 ?...................Now tell me who the Zealot is ? Honestly, that's pathetic stuff. You dont wish to accept the middle ground which is where most people are. Well said. When people resort to accusing fellow fans of wanting NUFC to lose then you know they're talking out of their arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got shit for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 progress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Toon Pack has a point mind. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Pardew on here because so many are so vehemently opposed to him. He's got s*** for bringing on Ameobi yesterday despite the fact it was a change that had a positive impact on the game and helped us regain some of the impetus. Yep - I would suggest that this 'middle ground' re Pardew is pretty sparsely populated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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