Alan '48 points' Pardew

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

[Guest bimpy474]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

[Dr Venkman]

Why do people put so much stock in these disposable managerial soundbites?

 

Because they're desperate to find something to moan about.

 

Define 'so much stock'. If it equates to caring about it enough to comment on it on an NUFC fan board then how much do you have to care about it to do that? About as much as you two care about it to have just made those two posts?

 

He's the manager of the football team, comments he makes in the press are important, no less because they influence how the club is seen both by the players already here and on a wider basis too. You two are dead cool because you don't care about the constant dampening of expectations that come from Ashley and Pardew. I do care about it. That bloke is the manager of our football team, he stands where Bobby used to stand, he sits where Keegan used to sit and make us all feel great about our area, our team and ourselves. His comments are regularly a disgrace, that's worth moaning about.

 

Passionate. I'd speculate that the reason some don't care enough to feign anger on a messageboard is because these comments have absolutely no effect on the fortunes of NUFC.

 

Do the comments effect the players' performances? It doesn't appear so.

Will the next French signing think twice about accepting his £40k p/w contract on the back of his interviews? Ner.

 

He could perhaps be a bit more positive at times, but howay man.

 

That's your opinion, and one I don't care for. The way you've expressed it says a lot about your general attitude, which I also don't care for.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

[TaylorJ_01]

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[EthiGeordie]

We will have same dilamma in two weeks time when we play Man city... I think AP will start the same 11 like yesterday...

[Guest bimpy474]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

 

Funny mentioning Keegan, do you remember when he was called in because he said in a interview we couldn't compete with the top clubs (KK knew what was going behind the scenes), Ashley was furious.

 

Look at it now, Pardew tells all and sundry and Ashley is fine with it. I understand why Pardew does it, he must know we aren't going to spend lots, and tbh i accept it. But in my eyes that doesn't make us a small club as he keeps telling us, when he talks about the club it's generally in the negative and it pisses me off.

 

Or maybe i'm just feigning anger (as a mung just pointed out fans on here are doing) when someone runs down the club i love.

[alexf]

Feel like he's venturing dangerously into O'Neil territory in terms of not resting players. It's all well and good keeping a winning team together but over this busy schedule I fear some players are beginning to look a bit fatigued. Especially Gouffran and Sissoko who are being asked to do a hell of a lot of running.

[Happy Face]

I think we'll spend some canny wedge next month.

 

If we don't it's going to be pretty downbeat come the home derby.

[ponsaelius]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are shite.

[mrmojorisin75]

He's the manager of the football team, comments he makes in the press are important, no less because they influence how the club is seen both by the players already here and on a wider basis too. You two are dead cool because you don't care about the constant dampening of expectations that come from Ashley and Pardew. I do care about it. That bloke is the manager of our football team, he stands where Bobby used to stand, he sits where Keegan used to sit and make us all feel great about our area, our team and ourselves. His comments are regularly a disgrace, that's worth moaning about.

 

 

He belittles this club time and time again - that makes what he says incredibly important in my eyes.

 

You can believe what you like, but I find it very hard to believe that what he's like in public is different to what he's like in the changing room. I really can't see him standing in public and telling us how we can't compete with other teams and how we're lucky to have players like Cabaye, then walk into the changing room and proclaim "Howay lads, we can beat anyone!"

 

his negativity in words and deeds certainly had an influence on the players last season i'd suggest

[BrettNUFC]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are s****.

 

Everyone was wanking over Swansea last year, this year Southampton.

 

Because we've started well people are saying it like it's a given we should be in this position yet they were tipping up another difficult season ahead over the summer.

[ponsaelius]

The rest of the league is fucking wank, fact. Hull are in 10th.

[Guest bimpy474]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are s****.

 

Everyone was wanking over Swansea last year, this year Southampton.

 

Because we've started well people are saying it like it's a given we should be in this position yet they were tipping up another difficult season ahead over the summer.

 

You do yourself no favours like. What is wrong in other people wanting us to play better football, something Swansea and Southampton do. But with our players who imo are better than theirs, hence getting us even better results with the better football.

 

Is it really that hard to grasp without acting like such a mung.

[TRon]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are s****.

 

Everyone was wanking over Swansea last year, this year Southampton.

 

Because we've started well people are saying it like it's a given we should be in this position yet they were tipping up another difficult season ahead over the summer.

 

Both those teams have managers who will move to a bigger club IMO. The wanking wasn't misplaced if that happens.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Highly doubt 'anybody' could take us to 33 points before the end if the year.

 

Within reason, yes.

 

Other than Southampton the rest of the league below us are s****.

 

Everyone was wanking over Swansea last year, this year Southampton.

 

Because we've started well people are saying it like it's a given we should be in this position yet they were tipping up another difficult season ahead over the summer.

 

...and? By the club's own standards we're 'par' aren't we?

[BrettNUFC]

Because even with their pretty football we are above both of them. Just like Jose will be above Wenger's pretty football come the end of the season imo. Of course we would like better football but as long as we stay ahead of them and are showing quality in different ways to they do, we should still be happy. The whole country wants their team to play a lovely attractive football but their isn't many managers out there who actually do it and to criticise Pardew week in week out because that isn’t his style of play is just harsh.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Ugh, actually. Fuck this.

[Hanshithispantz]

I'm not going to knock him for the job he's doing at the moment, he's doing as well in the league as he and many if not most other managers out there are probably capable of. It's just the view that under this 'crippling regime' no other manager could be expected to do any better that get's me.

 

It's absolute bullshit, and the fact people are over the moon that he has us riding about where we should be is testament to that. Well in the league anyway, probably best if we don't mention the cups.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

 

Funny mentioning Keegan, do you remember when he was called in because he said in a interview we couldn't compete with the top clubs (KK knew what was going behind the scenes), Ashley was furious.

 

Look at it now, Pardew tells all and sundry and Ashley is fine with it. I understand why Pardew does it, he must know we aren't going to spend lots, and tbh i accept it. But in my eyes that doesn't make us a small club as he keeps telling us, when he talks about the club it's generally in the negative and it pisses me off.

 

Or maybe i'm just feigning anger (as a mung just pointed out fans on here are doing) when someone runs down the club i love.

 

I'm not sure he ever says we're a small club per se - but again I think it comes from the economic sense, i.e there are clubs out there who can make offers for our players we can't refuse.

 

The club has pretty much always sold it's best players - whether it's wee Hughie sodding off to Chelsea, Gazza going to Spurs, Cole to Man United, Carroll (!?) to Liverpool. We had a brief period when we didn't but overall whether it's Seymour or McKeag the fans have been continuously treat like shit.  Obviously some owners actually invested the money back into the team on players - some don't.

 

Ironically he's talking about it a lot now - how we can't hold on to players - but that's what we seem to be doing.

 

I want the club to show maximum ambition - but where we are now - where does that actually leave us?

 

At the moment we are doing well - a manager talking shite doesn't bother me that much. I'm sure Keegan rattled on about shite and even Sir Bobby at times - the difference being they were both thoroughly likeable, decent people - who happened to be uttterly class football managers. I don't think Pardew comes close to either of those categories.

 

Pardew has his limitations but overall he sees Ashley's vision of the club & Ashley's vision of football economics - I'm not sure if i'd prefer a manager pulling the wool - or a manager telling me that - to effect - we don't have the money other teams do & we'll accept the right bid for our players.

 

I think - to summarise  - I'm ranting about complete shite - there may be some sense in there Bimpy, probably not

[NG32]

I do seem to remember KK standing on the steps of the Milburn speaking with fans face to face explaining why he was selling Cole.  I also remember offers coming in for Dyer from Leeds and Man Utd , SBR saying we should be looking to keep players like Dyer if we want to build a team.

 

Both were proven to be correct.

 

 

 

 

I suppose it comes down to ambition and finance.

 

Ambition costs money in this league.

 

[Happy Face]

Pardew was always quick to make (what I think were legitimate) excuses for the catastrophic run of results mid-season last year, and for the humiliations later on.

 

He's not so quick to look for external factors that might have led to our current position.  Highest on that list to me would be the world cup coming down the way which has seen a large proportion of our squad bust a gut like we never saw last season to secure their international squad position.

 

 

[Guest bimpy474]

Where do you think Pardew gets the ideas from?

 

I'd say Ashley, it comes from the very top imo.

 

Exactly & the next manager will be the same till the man at the top changes.

 

I remember Keegan saying in his second spell he wouldn't be scared to spend £25m on a player - that sharp turned to stating we couldn't afford players on Chelsea's bench etc - then obviously they screwed him over.

 

The last time Pardew  was adamant a player would not be leaving. "100%" they sold him and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi.

 

Funny mentioning Keegan, do you remember when he was called in because he said in a interview we couldn't compete with the top clubs (KK knew what was going behind the scenes), Ashley was furious.

 

Look at it now, Pardew tells all and sundry and Ashley is fine with it. I understand why Pardew does it, he must know we aren't going to spend lots, and tbh i accept it. But in my eyes that doesn't make us a small club as he keeps telling us, when he talks about the club it's generally in the negative and it pisses me off.

 

Or maybe i'm just feigning anger (as a mung just pointed out fans on here are doing) when someone runs down the club i love.

 

I'm not sure he ever says we're a small club per se - but again I think it comes from the economic sense, i.e there are clubs out there who can make offers for our players we can't refuse.

 

The club has pretty much always sold it's best players - whether it's wee Hughie sodding off to Chelsea, Gazza going to Spurs, Cole to Man United, Carroll (!?) to Liverpool. We had a brief period when we didn't but overall whether it's Seymour or McKeag the fans have been continuously treat like shit.  Obviously some owners actually invested the money back into the team on players - some don't.

 

Ironically he's talking about it a lot now - how we can't hold on to players - but that's what we seem to be doing.

 

I want the club to show maximum ambition - but where we are now - where does that actually leave us?

 

At the moment we are doing well - a manager talking shite doesn't bother me that much. I'm sure Keegan rattled on about shite and even Sir Bobby at times - the difference being they were both thoroughly likeable, decent people - who happened to be uttterly class football managers. I don't think Pardew comes close to either of those categories.

 

Pardew has his limitations but overall he sees Ashley's vision of the club & Ashley's vision of football economics - I'm not sure if i'd prefer a manager pulling the wool - or a manager telling me that - to effect - we don't have the money other teams do & we'll accept the right bid for our players.

 

I think - to summarise  - I'm ranting about complete shite - there may be some sense in there Bimpy, probably not

 

Loads of sense in there mate, i think pretty much spot on as well. A thing you mentioned there about selling players, we dont very often tbf and i suppose to Ashley's credit if we do sell, we sell for a lot.

 

I dont think we'll ever be free until Ashley's gone Not to sound like i want him to stay because i certainly dont, But i'd hate to an owner like Tan. If and when he does go i'm hoping for a decent owner, with some feeling for the club, i suppose i can but dream.

[merlin]

I do seem to remember KK standing on the steps of the Milburn speaking with fans face to face explaining why he was selling Cole.  I also remember offers coming in for Dyer from Leeds and Man Utd , SBR saying we should be looking to keep players like Dyer if we want to build a team.

 

Both were proven to be correct.

 

 

 

 

I suppose it comes down to ambition and finance.

 

Ambition costs money in this league.

 

 

Keegan allowed Cole to go because he wanted Ferdinand and eventually, Shearer.

It is not generally known that we made a bid for Shearer at the same time as Blackburn but they got him because a)they bid a bit more after our bid and b)Shearer wanted PL football which we couldn't offer him at the time because we were on the verge of our promotion season.

 

KK once said that Newcastle were like the Mounties because they always got their man - and in his days, we usually did.....

That ended when Fat Fred decided to - for his own reasons - 'keep his power dry' in the close season before we were due to play on qualifiers for the CL and we ended up with Bowyer on a free.

[BrettNUFC]

He is very lucky to be where he is, and we as a club are very unlucky to still have him here. There is no way he is going to turn this around and finish in the top 5 again. I think he sunk too far last season.

 

Gone by December.

 

I don't even think anyone rates him anymore, you just get the odd person who wants to say he deserves a chance but they always go too far with it. I don't know why they bother tbh.

 

When's he next gone by Reef since he's survived December?

 

Would you say the odd people were right to give him a chance, Venky?

 

 

Just had a quick scan back over comments before the season kicked off and the amount of people suggesting we were pretty much fucked this season is staggering. Can't believe it's been brushed into 'well we are where we should be' with very few praising the revival of both manager and players.