Wullie Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 How much was Everton's attacking unit btw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 'thank god we're not in the Europa' 'lets win for Mike' 'Mike has had stick he doesn't deserve' ' We cant compete with team like Southampton and Norwich' 'We lost because the fear from the stands spread to the players' 'I'm going to rotate, doesn't, blames tiredness for loss' and there more and more and more of that. Give him credit my arse, utter bellend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 South west corner of the Gallowgate, the atmosphere has been crap for the last two seasons and I firmly believe the reason for this is because of the resentment towards Ashley and Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I would say Spurs and Man U have massively underachieved rather than us overachieving. When you take everything into account we should be around top 8 every season at the very least. It is only because of the complete abomination of a season last year that it appears we're having a great year this year. Who can honestly tell me any of the teams currently below us should be ahead of us? Our squad is far stronger than those below. If we want to realistically challenge those above us then we need two things. 1) a better manager who get more out of the talent we have and not revert to defensive 442 systems with Shola playing the majority of games. 2) A bit of investment for once and some sign of ambition from the owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Oh fuck me Brett's cousin joined in I know, the Pardew taskforce has been deployed. Triggered by the science keyword. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Here's the attacking midfielders, wingers, and strikers available to Pardew: Remy, Cisse, BenArfa, Gouffran, Ameobi, Ameobi, Obertan, Jonas, Marveaux, Sissoko Here's the forward players at the 2 clubs closest to us in the league: Rooney, VanPersie, Hernandez, Welbeck, Valencia, Nani, Fellaini, Zaha, Young, Kagawa, Janujaz Adebayor, Soldado, Defoe, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Holtby Spurs and Man United have probably spent in the region of £80m+ assembling those players, and most of them are paid a fortune. We have put our attacking unit together for about £25m, and have spent in the region of £20m on strikers since Ashley arrived at the club. Pardew deserves immense credit for getting us close to these 2 sides in the league. He also deserves praise for implementing a style of football that has generally been enjoyable to watch this season. The ball is usually on the deck - we look a bit limited in the final third - but what on earth would anyone expect. He led a mid table side to 5th in the league ahead of Liverpool and Chelsea, and he has also guided a strikerforce of Ranger, Lovenkrands, Kuqi, Ameobi, and Best to a comfortable mid table finish. He's done a fantastic job for us on the whole, and doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for it on here, although thankfully the attitude on here is very different to the attitude to our manager in the stadium, where he has his name sung in the majority of home matches, and deservedly so. Pretty damn true, but you'll get hammered to fuck for it on here. Despite being second bottom of the long ball league we play hoofball doncha know. Firstly near on everyone has said on here we no longer play hoofball, and we have kept possession much better. Secondly, which is what we are talking about, we still have no attacking movement or cohesion. It's still the same going forward as it was, lacklustre and boring. Thanks for completely missing the point though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben-nufc Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Relying on one of our better players to score or produce a goal then holding on for dear life is not a style of football. If that's what we have to be thankful for then you simply aren't aware of what that team is capable of. I'm not asking for or even expecting free flowing football but at an absolute minimum our aim should be to push for Europe and give the cups a good go. I expect us to be putting teams like Cardiff and West brom on the backfoot, and enforcing ourselves against them, not 'looking to contain them' as we so often hear from the coward we have in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Brett is on multiple accounts IMO I've never shyed away from mentioning how much of a shambles last season was but i was also 110 percent confident over the summer Pardew and the players would show themselves in much better light this season and bounce back, whilst others told me i was mental and we are shit. I liked Alex's post though tbh he should have balanced it a bit by mentioning how shit last season was under him but don't blame him for erasing that from his memory. I can't see that happening again for a long time tbh, with or without Pardew (as i typed that i started singing U2, dear me ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Here's the attacking midfielders, wingers, and strikers available to Pardew: Remy, Cisse, BenArfa, Gouffran, Ameobi, Ameobi, Obertan, Jonas, Marveaux, Sissoko Here's the forward players at the 2 clubs closest to us in the league: Rooney, VanPersie, Hernandez, Welbeck, Valencia, Nani, Fellaini, Zaha, Young, Kagawa, Janujaz Adebayor, Soldado, Defoe, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Holtby Spurs and Man United have probably spent in the region of £80m+ assembling those players, and most of them are paid a fortune. We have put our attacking unit together for about £25m, and have spent in the region of £20m on strikers since Ashley arrived at the club. Pardew deserves immense credit for getting us close to these 2 sides in the league. He also deserves praise for implementing a style of football that has generally been enjoyable to watch this season. The ball is usually on the deck - we look a bit limited in the final third - but what on earth would anyone expect. He led a mid table side to 5th in the league ahead of Liverpool and Chelsea, and he has also guided a strikerforce of Ranger, Lovenkrands, Kuqi, Ameobi, and Best to a comfortable mid table finish. He's done a fantastic job for us on the whole, and doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for it on here, although thankfully the attitude on here is very different to the attitude to our manager in the stadium, where he has his name sung in the majority of home matches, and deservedly so. Ah man I'm trying to study here ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Here's the attacking midfielders, wingers, and strikers available to Pardew: Remy, Cisse, BenArfa, Gouffran, Ameobi, Ameobi, Obertan, Jonas, Marveaux, Sissoko Here's the forward players at the 2 clubs closest to us in the league: Rooney, VanPersie, Hernandez, Welbeck, Valencia, Nani, Fellaini, Zaha, Young, Kagawa, Janujaz Adebayor, Soldado, Defoe, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Holtby Spurs and Man United have probably spent in the region of £80m+ assembling those players, and most of them are paid a fortune. We have put our attacking unit together for about £25m, and have spent in the region of £20m on strikers since Ashley arrived at the club. Pardew deserves immense credit for getting us close to these 2 sides in the league. He also deserves praise for implementing a style of football that has generally been enjoyable to watch this season. The ball is usually on the deck - we look a bit limited in the final third - but what on earth would anyone expect. He led a mid table side to 5th in the league ahead of Liverpool and Chelsea, and he has also guided a strikerforce of Ranger, Lovenkrands, Kuqi, Ameobi, and Best to a comfortable mid table finish. He's done a fantastic job for us on the whole, and doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for it on here, although thankfully the attitude on here is very different to the attitude to our manager in the stadium, where he has his name sung in the majority of home matches, and deservedly so. Pretty damn true, but you'll get hammered to fuck for it on here. Despite being second bottom of the long ball league we play hoofball doncha know. We don't play "hoofball"; nobody suggests we play "hoofball" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 "Despite being second bottom of the long ball league" That's killed me that like, Pardew's crowning achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Nobody is suggesting it now you've been proved incorrect. Over the summer Pardew was hammered for it despite a few on here being adamant we were changing our ways and it wasn't a case of Pardew only knowing hoof ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I always find it funny how the Pardew defenders never discuss his actual tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I always find it funny how the Pardew defenders never discuss his actual tactics Or when the haters accept it was their tactics he won with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I always find it funny how the Pardew defenders never discuss his actual tactics Or decisions, personnel choices and whatever else make up a good football manager. Looks canny in a nice suit I suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Nobody is suggesting it now you've been proved incorrect. Over the summer Pardew was hammered for it despite a few on here being adamant we were changing our ways and it wasn't a case of Pardew only knowing hoof ball. you're doing that annoying thing again Brett where you tell people what their opinions are/were despite it being entirely false. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I always find it funny how the Pardew defenders never discuss his actual tactics Or when the haters accept it was their tactics he won with Relying on individual brilliance is some tactic brett. Nice deflection though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Here's the attacking midfielders, wingers, and strikers available to Pardew: Remy, Cisse, BenArfa, Gouffran, Ameobi, Ameobi, Obertan, Jonas, Marveaux, Sissoko Here's the forward players at the 2 clubs closest to us in the league: Rooney, VanPersie, Hernandez, Welbeck, Valencia, Nani, Fellaini, Zaha, Young, Kagawa, Janujaz Adebayor, Soldado, Defoe, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Holtby Spurs and Man United have probably spent in the region of £80m+ assembling those players, and most of them are paid a fortune. We have put our attacking unit together for about £25m, and have spent in the region of £20m on strikers since Ashley arrived at the club. Pardew deserves immense credit for getting us close to these 2 sides in the league. He also deserves praise for implementing a style of football that has generally been enjoyable to watch this season. The ball is usually on the deck - we look a bit limited in the final third - but what on earth would anyone expect. He led a mid table side to 5th in the league ahead of Liverpool and Chelsea, and he has also guided a strikerforce of Ranger, Lovenkrands, Kuqi, Ameobi, and Best to a comfortable mid table finish. He's done a fantastic job for us on the whole, and doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for it on here, although thankfully the attitude on here is very different to the attitude to our manager in the stadium, where he has his name sung in the majority of home matches, and deservedly so. Is this not a little bit of a fallacious argument? We might have spent relatively little (which perhaps says more about Ashley's reluctance to spend), but surely they are worth more than we paid. The reverse might be said of some of Man. Utd and Tottenham's purchases. The frustration comes from seeing some players, who the majority would agree are very talented (regardless of the money paid for them), either playing poorly or struggling to play well together. I don't think we do play poorly on the whole. We have 33 points already. We have good players in defence and midfield and as a result we play quite well until the final third, where we only have 2 talented players (Ben Arfa and Remy), and the rest are average to poor. I like Gouffran, but only really see him as a grafter, and I think Sissoko will be a good player for us, but not in the last third. The rest of the attacking players we have are barely Premier League standard. I always find it funny how the Pardew defenders never discuss his actual tactics Does anyone need to be reminded of the way he has completely outmanoevered Moyes, Hiddink, and Mourinho in the last few months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I always find it funny how the Pardew defenders never discuss his actual tactics Or when the haters accept it was their tactics he won with Relying on individual brilliance is some tactic brett. Nice deflection though. He's had some brilliant tactics this season, he's had some shit ones, all part and parcel of being a football manager. End of the day his good or bad tactics have us in a solid league position with a nice points total 6 points off a champions league spot after the half way stage. Can go into detail and say he's beat the good teams then lost against the poor and all that but it doesn't matter who you pick points off as long as you pick them up. Suarez has scored majority of his goals against the bottom half sides, does it matter he hasn't scored agaisnt the big ones? No because he's still picked up an impressive amount of goals. So if we have an impressive points tally off the top and not the bottom, as long as the overall points tally is impressive that's the main thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Does anyone need to be reminded of the way he has completely outmanoevered Moyes, Hiddink, and Mourinho in the last few months? Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Nobody is suggesting it now you've been proved incorrect. Over the summer Pardew was hammered for it despite a few on here being adamant we were changing our ways and it wasn't a case of Pardew only knowing hoof ball. you're doing that annoying thing again Brett where you tell people what their opinions are/were despite it being entirely false. I meant the general feeling over the summer after that dire season. I'd go back and find examples but you get wrong for that apparently. It's good people have finally found the vision that we don't just play hoof ball and have seen the signs of the prgression now and changed their opinion but that wasn't always the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 He seems to be a manager with no real long term plan, which is why I believe he can get the odd good result, such as Chelsea this season, because he takes games in isolation and looks to nullify an opposition first and foremost. Relying on the players to carry him to victory has been a staple of his time here, asking his team to take the game to the opposition is where he gets found out all the time. Makes me sick because we really could be a good side. This is why I don't rate him, because he can't make us a cohesive attacking force because he doesn't have the bottle for it, or maybe the tactical nous. Either way he's a fraud who seems to believe himself to be some sort of managerial genius. Unfortunately if he goes I don't believe we'll get anyone much better. Great times! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Does anyone need to be reminded of the way he has completely outmanoevered Moyes, Hiddink, and Mourinho in the last few months? Jesus. How many times has Poyet outwitted him these years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I always find it funny how the Pardew defenders never discuss his actual tactics Or when the haters accept it was their tactics he won with Relying on individual brilliance is some tactic brett. Nice deflection though. He's had some brilliant tactics this season, he's had some s*** ones, all part and parcel of being a football manager. End of the day his good or bad tactics have us in a solid league position with a nice points total 6 points off a champions league spot after the half way stage. Can go into detail and say he's beat the good teams then lost against the poor and all that but it doesn't matter who you pick points off as long as you pick them up. Suarez has scored majority of his goals against the bottom half sides, does it matter he hasn't scored agaisnt the big ones? No because he's still picked up an impressive amount of goals. So if we have an impressive points tally off the top and not the bottom, as long as the overall points tally is impressive that's the main thing. We play dour boring football with the most generic tactics possible. If we are playing a bigger side than us we'll sit back for 70 mins and keep it tight and try nick it with a bit of magic later. Against smaller times we stumble into a lead and then chuck it away. Pardews record of only winning from behind once speaks for itself really. My point being when do we ever go out and actually give a team a beating really go for them by the throat and try to out play them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I remember when we were playing hoofball week in week out and it was apparently not Pardew's fault but down to the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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